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CC_Eagle

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Ramsey needs to drop to the bench, he has been horrible and that performance last night was one of the worst I have seen.

Who's the alternative though?

You know things are bad when Diaby's return is highly anticipated.
 

Stonecutter

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Do we have a cardio issue? I mean we always struggle in the 2nd half. I was convinced we would beat Tottenham after we scored based on our first half play. Then that all went to shit. The subbing of Gervinho and Walcott looked like it pretty much shut down our forward attacking.
 

Spanner in the works

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After watching the game it is going to be a long, long season I think. I think this club has being dying for the last few years actually. So many excuses, no real ambition, poor decisions on and off the field. Getting ready to shake hands with mediocrity.
 

BunniesMan

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Thank f*ck for Manly.

I was too pissed and too happy to both watch or care about the game last night. Had the Warriors won, I'd probably be dangling from a tree somewhere though.

Sanga gone for three months. FFS. At the end of last season Cesc, Nasri, Vermaelen, RvP, Wilshere and Sagna were our best players. Now we only have one remaining.
Odds of RVP doing a hammy his next game...
 

CC_Eagle

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Odds of RVP doing a hammy his next game...

My thoughts exactly.

'Frustration' sums up this season so far. Frustration at the amount of injuries to key players, frustration at the persistent errors, frustration at the way in which Arsenal has attracted every inch of possible bad luck and frustration at Spuds being favourites for the derby for the first time in memory for me.

VDV deliberately handballed the ball for his goal. There's no sore loser about it, he handled the ball with his arm to score the goal. And yet again, the referees and linesmen missed a devastating decision against Arsenal.

This was followed by what 99% of the time has been a yellow carded offence, celebrating directly with the crowd. So we have an illegally scored goal, scored by a player who should of been awarded a second yellow.

Compound that with Szcz's miss - which was made even worse by the fact that he had made some incredible saves throughout the game, yet it was a hopeful 25 yard pot-shot that got him.

I'm actually looking forward to the international break. It'll give what remains of the squad a chance to stew over the result. I also don't think I could take yet another bad result so soon after this.

Thank christ for f*cking Manly..
 

CC_Eagle

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You don't fail at buying something when you refuse to even go into the shop.

Jones was available for $10m in January, Stubborn Arse Wenger refuses to go over 8m, 6 months later Sir Alex gets him for SIXTEEN million and now he's got ahead of even Ferdinand for both United and England.

Cahill was available for $15m.

We could have had the 2 of todays best centrebacks for 25m, money we had and refused to spend, any fan off the street could have figured out what needed to happen.

Good players in positions you desperately need + the money to buy them = buying them. Simple enough equation for anyone but Wenger.

We could have had the leagues best back 4 by simply buying players that were available at prices we were able to afford. Instead, we have Mertesacker getting ripped apart by Tottenham.

I actually agree with this ;-)

Mertesacker is a quality defender. But the transition to the PL takes time, and not everyone can adapt as quickly as Vermaelen.

Remember that this was only the second time that Per and Song have played in defense together. Also consider that the latter isn't even a f*cking CB:(
 

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I actually agree with this ;-)

Mertesacker is a quality defender. But the transition to the PL takes time, and not everyone can adapt as quickly as Vermaelen.

Remember that this was only the second time that Per and Song have played in defense together. Also consider that the latter isn't even a f*cking CB:(

Apparently it is worse.

Arsenal had deals to sign Mata and Carzola from Spain but didn't want to spend the money as they thought it would weaken there position over the whole Cesc thing.



Spurs attack is ordinary. Against this Arsenal defence 2 is very ordinary. Scoring 8 is where its at. :D
 

CC_Eagle

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Apparently it is worse.

Arsenal had deals to sign Mata and Carzola from Spain but didn't want to spend the money as they thought it would weaken there position over the whole Cesc thing.



Spurs attack is ordinary. Against this Arsenal defence 2 is very ordinary. Scoring 8 is where its at. :D

I honestly thought Mata was a done deal. To see Chelski nab him for only a few million more hurt, a lot.

I do like Gerinvho and think that he'll be a classy player, but he's missed two sitters in the past two games. Switch on son! Where was Chamakh yesterday? Why bother buying Park if you're not going to use him? There's that word 'frustration' again.

The thought of Jenkinson playing every game for the next 3 months makes me cry. I love the guy, but he isn't up to the EPL standard just yet.
 

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On the bright side Arsenal have a gem in Coquelin, what a brilliant future this kid has. Now we can put the 25 million we would have spent on MVilla towards Hazard. Oh and please get Ramsey out of the team.
 

Noa

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Reading some reports that Chuks Aneke had a brilliant game against Swansea reserves this morning. A homegrown Arsenal midfield of Aneke, Wilshere and Coquelin in years to come would be orgasmic *crosses fingers they all reach potential*
 

CC_Eagle

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On the bright side Arsenal have a gem in Coquelin, what a brilliant future this kid has. Now we can put the 25 million we would have spent on MVilla towards Hazard. Oh and please get Ramsey out of the team.

Agreed. Don't forget Frimpong and Eastmond either. 25m for M'Vila would be ridiculous anyway! I'd much rather 10m or so on Montolivo in January.

Apparently Coquelin is in line to battle Jenks for the RB spot, I can't say I've ever seen him play there, but competition is always a good thing.
 

greeny12

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.... Guys it's going to be a long season, we aren't going to make top 5. The best thing to come out of this season would be to make sure we secure RVP, Vermaelen, Walcott and Song before Seasons end. Ramsey had a shocker... we are giving up possession far too easily. But the thing that I noticed from the Spurs game was our midfield had so much more control in the first half, yet I think our strikers only got 1 or 2 quality balls. We lack creativity... big time. Then in the 2nd half we just gave away so much possession it's not funny.

My biggest worry is if we lose RVP, Walcott, Song, and Verm, then the likes of our younger promising players (Wilshere, AOC, Coquelin) will all slowly go with other chasing clubs. Then we won't be able to attract the quality of player we need. I think we have a fat chance of signing Hazard, Goetze, M'Villa, when the like of Madrid, Man Shitty, Inter, AC are our competition. I love my Gunners, but this is the sad truth I'm afraid unless Wenger leaves, or adapts to the way of spending and forgetting these budget buys (but we all know he won't).

Really am I the only one that thought the buys of Arteta, Santos, Park, and even Per were desperate "last option" buys because we failed at getting the players we really wanted??

I'll still watch the games and support the team no matter how horrible the season goes for them but things aren't going to get better unless Wenger goes, or changes.
 

BunniesMan

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Carlo Ancelotti today said he'd like to manage Arsenal, Liverpool or Tottenham. Dalglish and Redknapp aren't going anywhere....

If I was in charge of Arsenal, I'd sack Wenger today, sign Ancelotti immediately and give him 100 million to spend. It would tell RVP, Wilshere, Vermaelen, Sagna and co that we are ambitious, so they would stay and we'd then be able to attract the best players.
 

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Carlo Ancelotti today said he'd like to manage Arsenal, Liverpool or Tottenham. Dalglish and Redknapp aren't going anywhere....

If I was in charge of Arsenal, I'd sack Wenger today, sign Ancelotti immediately and give him 100 million to spend. It would tell RVP, Wilshere, Vermaelen, Sagna and co that we are ambitious, so they would stay and we'd then be able to attract the best players.

didn't know you managed these guys
 

boxhead

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I thought Ancelloti said he wanted to be a management director and not an actual manager for any of the clubs?
 

boxhead

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.... Guys it's going to be a long season, we aren't going to make top 5. The best thing to come out of this season would be to make sure we secure RVP, Vermaelen, Walcott and Song before Seasons end. Ramsey had a shocker... we are giving up possession far too easily. But the thing that I noticed from the Spurs game was our midfield had so much more control in the first half, yet I think our strikers only got 1 or 2 quality balls. We lack creativity... big time. Then in the 2nd half we just gave away so much possession it's not funny.

My biggest worry is if we lose RVP, Walcott, Song, and Verm, then the likes of our younger promising players (Wilshere, AOC, Coquelin) will all slowly go with other chasing clubs. Then we won't be able to attract the quality of player we need. I think we have a fat chance of signing Hazard, Goetze, M'Villa, when the like of Madrid, Man Shitty, Inter, AC are our competition. I love my Gunners, but this is the sad truth I'm afraid unless Wenger leaves, or adapts to the way of spending and forgetting these budget buys (but we all know he won't).

Really am I the only one that thought the buys of Arteta, Santos, Park, and even Per were desperate "last option" buys because we failed at getting the players we really wanted??

I'll still watch the games and support the team no matter how horrible the season goes for them but things aren't going to get better unless Wenger goes, or changes.

Arsenal had midfield dominance because our midfielders were uncharacteristically quiet, Modric and VDV in particular. When Sandro came on, the game changed entirely.
 

greeny12

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Arsenal had midfield dominance because our midfielders were uncharacteristically quiet, Modric and VDV in particular. When Sandro came on, the game changed entirely.

I agree wholeheartedly. Wenger was also outclassed by Redknapp in the match. Redknapp made the perfect substitutes to suit the game plan and ensure a win. As soon as Sandro came on we couldn't get out of our own half. What did Wenger do? Brought on Arshavin, and Benayoun - one who plays like he doesn't care and the other who I thought was a desperate/nothing loan move. They both did nothing.

Tottenham played well below par, and so did we... but Modric and VDV are worlds above Arteta and Ramsey. It showed. Worrying when we come up against the likes of Chelsea, Man Shitty, and Man Utd (again). The sad thing is, we'll get done by middle table teams like Stoke, Blackburn, etc because they are very physical and we have no f**king backbone. I think Song is the only one of our players who is physical. The other players who we have who are, are all out with injuries. (Wilshere, Verm, Sagna) I haven't seen enough of Per to make judgement.

We needed to sign Parker (he ripped us a new one on the weekend), Cahill, Samba, Mata, Hazard, and a world class striker (not Park). Players to go - Squillaci, Almunia, Chamakh, Arshavin (we'll get someone like Galatasary pay good $$ for him... more than what he is worth atm). But this won't happen :(... happy to eat my own words!
 

CC_Eagle

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There's a few things which are consistent with the Arsenal rhetoric this season. Both are easily summarised and plain for all to see :

* Injuries. Imagine if we had Wilshere, Vermaelen, Diaby, Koscielny, Djourou, Sagna all fit and playing since the first week of the season. I guarantee that Arsenal would not be in the current predicament if it was so. I'm not necessarily blaming injuries per se for the clubs lack of success, but it is the contributing factor. Our strongest starting eleven is still exceptionally strong, and good enough to challenge for the title. The problem is that we haven't seen Arsenal's strongest XI in a long, long time.

* The Nasrigas saga dragged on far too long, and whilst it was primarily out of the clubs hands, the situation with both players could have been handled better. But, it's easy to say such things from the sideline, without being privy to the intricate details. Simply, if both players had been sold for their value at the start of the window, the money could have, and would have been invested better. By the time Nasri had left, Arsenal had already played two league games, leaving insufficient time to find a proper replacement who was available so late in the window. The club of course (I'm saying club overall, as Arsene isn't in control of everything) would have known that Nasri and Cesc were leaving and should have lined up replacements as soon as possible - but, who's to say they hadn't? I read an article yesterday quoting the Lyon president, who said that Arsenal had made a bid for Gourcuff in the final days, but the player was not for sale. How many more situations of this could have, and probably did happen?


Injuries, a lack of appropriate foresight and our lack of knowledge of what happened behind closed doors are the three major factors for our early season failures.

I haven't watched the game, and frankly I wont, but I find it hard to believe that Wenger was "outclassed" by Redknapp, merely because the players available at the time were more appropriate. Yes, Arsene brought on Benayoun and Arshavin, both of whom are hugely experienced on the biggest stages, and who you generally should trust with being able to change a game. Apart from these two, who's the alternative? Henderson and Miyachi? Of course, there's the rebuttal that it's Arsene's fault for not signing 'better' players, but this point is directly related to the injury factor. Had Spuds been raped by injuries like we have been, Redknapp would be bringing on Livermore and Townsend rather than Sandro.

Yes, Modric and VDV as individual players are better than Ramsey and Arteta. As a unit, is VDV, Modric and Huddlestone better than Wilshere, Song and Arteta? Arsenal fans will say yes, Spurs fans will say no, but the fact remains that our strongest side is no where near the pitch at the moment. From all reports that I've read, Arsenal's midfield were the stronger of the two for most of the game?
 

greeny12

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There's a few things which are consistent with the Arsenal rhetoric this season. Both are easily summarised and plain for all to see :

* Injuries. Imagine if we had Wilshere, Vermaelen, Diaby, Koscielny, Djourou, Sagna all fit and playing since the first week of the season. I guarantee that Arsenal would not be in the current predicament if it was so. I'm not necessarily blaming injuries per se for the clubs lack of success, but it is the contributing factor. Our strongest starting eleven is still exceptionally strong, and good enough to challenge for the title. The problem is that we haven't seen Arsenal's strongest XI in a long, long time.

* The Nasrigas saga dragged on far too long, and whilst it was primarily out of the clubs hands, the situation with both players could have been handled better. But, it's easy to say such things from the sideline, without being privy to the intricate details. Simply, if both players had been sold for their value at the start of the window, the money could have, and would have been invested better. By the time Nasri had left, Arsenal had already played two league games, leaving insufficient time to find a proper replacement who was available so late in the window. The club of course (I'm saying club overall, as Arsene isn't in control of everything) would have known that Nasri and Cesc were leaving and should have lined up replacements as soon as possible - but, who's to say they hadn't? I read an article yesterday quoting the Lyon president, who said that Arsenal had made a bid for Gourcuff in the final days, but the player was not for sale. How many more situations of this could have, and probably did happen?


Injuries, a lack of appropriate foresight and our lack of knowledge of what happened behind closed doors are the three major factors for our early season failures.

I haven't watched the game, and frankly I wont, but I find it hard to believe that Wenger was "outclassed" by Redknapp, merely because the players available at the time were more appropriate. Yes, Arsene brought on Benayoun and Arshavin, both of whom are hugely experienced on the biggest stages, and who you generally should trust with being able to change a game. Apart from these two, who's the alternative? Henderson and Miyachi? Of course, there's the rebuttal that it's Arsene's fault for not signing 'better' players, but this point is directly related to the injury factor. Had Spuds been raped by injuries like we have been, Redknapp would be bringing on Livermore and Townsend rather than Sandro.

Yes, Modric and VDV as individual players are better than Ramsey and Arteta. As a unit, is VDV, Modric and Huddlestone better than Wilshere, Song and Arteta? Arsenal fans will say yes, Spurs fans will say no, but the fact remains that our strongest side is no where near the pitch at the moment. From all reports that I've read, Arsenal's midfield were the stronger of the two for most of the game?

Good point. My frustration didn't really see into the fact that injuries have plagued us viciously, and limits our choices.

Our midfield were dominant, but created near to no chances.... and it doesn't help when Gervinho misses open goal sitters. Ramsey also had the worst game I've ever seen him play. I don't know, it's hard seeing us struggle after being a top 4 side for so long... another thing that hurts is seeing Fabregas absolutely kill it for Barca, and Nasri for Man Shitty, and we're struggling... and with our current available squad... it's not looking much better. I just hope RVP, Song, Walcott, and Verm all resign.. I have a feeling RVP won't though..

In saying that about injuries - it's seems to be an ongoing problem for a few seasons... we hardly have our best XI on the field together.
 

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RVP shouldn't resign if we show no ambition in the transfer market. We still don't have two topclass CB's. Vermaelen and noone else. Koscielny and Mertesacker are #3/#4 CB's. We still need a top level midfielder next to Wilshere.

If we don't get those two things RVP shouldn't resign, I wouldn't if I was him. It's inexcusable if we don't sign the players we need because we do have the money. Players are available all the time, we don't sign them out of stubbornness.

I used to be completely against Wenger's sacking because of the lack of a superior alternative. Well, there is one in Ancelotti. Not because Ancelotti is a better tactician, but because Ancelotti has an ambition that matches what this club should be. And he realises what it takes to compete in the modern era.

Wenger is a genius in many ways, but in the last 2 transfer windows he has failed us. If we signed Gary Cahill or Phil Jones in January, we win the league. If we sold Fabregas and Nasri promptly and spent the money on star talents, we'd be in the top 4 now. Actually, if we did buy that CB in the January window and went on to win the league like we should have, I bet Fabregas and Nasri don't leave. Alternate history is fun...

If Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest manager of the modern era, went this long without a significant acheivement, he'd be sacked.
 
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