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Manly Salary Cap

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Parra were cheats & were punished accordingly(they haven’t been caught subsequently, unless I have missed something). And now Manly carry the stench of cheating.


I find it rich that we've been supposedly cheating whilst last year we weren't afforded an exemption for neither snake nor shoulders

Had to play $1.5m under the cap in their retirements due to injuries

But parra got hit with a feather and were allowed an exemption for Watmong

Don't get me wrong all 3 retired due to long term injuries but confirmed cheats Parramatta were allowed Watmongs payment outside the cap because why exactly? He was busted in his last year at manly
 

wibble

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Did Kent actually ever say why the NRL didn't deduct points from Manly?

As far as I can tell, he hinted at some ulterior motive, but didn't actually call the NRL out on it.
 

Life's Good

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I find it rich that we've been supposedly cheating whilst last year we weren't afforded an exemption for neither snake nor shoulders

Had to play $1.5m under the cap in their retirements due to injuries

But parra got hit with a feather and were allowed an exemption for Watmong

Don't get me wrong all 3 retired due to long term injuries but confirmed cheats Parramatta were allowed Watmongs payment outside the cap because why exactly? He was busted in his last year at manly

Parra lost points and Manly haven't. It's pretty clear the feather was applied to your punishment. Im interested to hear your thoughts on Toovey in all of this, seeing as he was there within the 5 year period this has taken place.
 

TheFrog

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Did Kent actually ever say why the NRL didn't deduct points from Manly?

As far as I can tell, he hinted at some ulterior motive, but didn't actually call the NRL out on it.
The suggestion is that players considering going to Manly like Mitchell Pearce were warned away during the off season, so Manly were apparently compliant from the first game, unlike Parra who received no such largesse and were non-compliant for long enough to win 6 games.

This doesn't sit well with the Warriors, who lost 4 points before a ball was kicked.
 

Knight76

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Again on the players avoiding any sanction from these situations.

On 100% Footy on 9 Gal made it crystal clear players know what they are getting. His quote was that the club will tell him he will get X amount of money and as a player he doesn't care where that money comes from, as long as he gets it. I have no doubt at all that players know where there payments are coming from.

The solution to this mess is again, get players to sign a stat dec declaring all income they are receiving from all income sources to play for a club. Draw a line in the sand stating any player found to be receiving income not declared in this declaration will be suspended.

I accept it is not the players role to manage the clubs salary cap.

The club officials and, the manager sign the same document.

Now, if a player puts in their declaration that they are receiving 500k from the club and 100k in TPA. The club and manager must sign off on this, and all documents must match. This would make it very hard to have a club hide TPA's without the player agreeing, and manager.

The problem with TPA's is not the legitimate TPA's where a company approaches a player for a sponsorship deal. It is club bag men sourcing TPA's to lower a clubs spend on the salary cap, and then pretending these TPA's were at arms length.

The NRL is complicit in this by not knuckling down on TPA's and ensuring players are accountable for their income being declared correctly. As soon as you see a few players banned for salary cap rorting, you will see players demanding their TPA's are declared to the NRL, you will see them instructing managers to ensure this also.

You will also see them suddenly caring about where their money comes from, and you will see TPA's in general being brought well under control.
 

super_coach

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Did Kent actually ever say why the NRL didn't deduct points from Manly?

As far as I can tell, he hinted at some ulterior motive, but didn't actually call the NRL out on it.

The offical reason given, was the NRL said as they are now compliant the 2018 team should not be disadvantaged.

I say its because the NRL broadcast partners dont like having teams that are seen to be no chance in the comp. It effects ratings. Anyway for what ever reason it stinks and I think Kent's article and his bit on Fox last night was spot on. Not a huge fan of Kent, but at least he is willing to throw a few bombs at the NRL, rather than avoid or pussy foot around things like this
 

The_Shield

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Again on the players avoiding any sanction from these situations.

On 100% Footy on 9 Gal made it crystal clear players know what they are getting. His quote was that the club will tell him he will get X amount of money and as a player he doesn't care where that money comes from, as long as he gets it. I have no doubt at all that players know where there payments are coming from.

The solution to this mess is again, get players to sign a stat dec declaring all income they are receiving from all income sources to play for a club. Draw a line in the sand stating any player found to be receiving income not declared in this declaration will be suspended.

I accept it is not the players role to manage the clubs salary cap.

The club officials and, the manager sign the same document.

Now, if a player puts in their declaration that they are receiving 500k from the club and 100k in TPA. The club and manager must sign off on this, and all documents must match. This would make it very hard to have a club hide TPA's without the player agreeing, and manager.

The problem with TPA's is not the legitimate TPA's where a company approaches a player for a sponsorship deal. It is club bag men sourcing TPA's to lower a clubs spend on the salary cap, and then pretending these TPA's were at arms length.

The NRL is complicit in this by not knuckling down on TPA's and ensuring players are accountable for their income being declared correctly. As soon as you see a few players banned for salary cap rorting, you will see players demanding their TPA's are declared to the NRL, you will see them instructing managers to ensure this also.

You will also see them suddenly caring about where their money comes from, and you will see TPA's in general being brought well under control.
So Gal knows exactly what he’s getting paid but he doesn’t know the drugs that he was given are illegal? Gal is full of shit.

The thing with the players is, now while I’m sure they know what they are going to get paid, I don’t think they would have any idea if it was all above board or not. Take the Storm for example, Brian Waldron and Peter O’Sullivan went to the NRL asking for some exemptions, which were denied by the NRL. They came back claiming that the exemptions were given the green light. Why would the players not believe the CEO and recruitment officer of their club? When you’ve got your CEO, recruitment manager and player manager all telling you that everything is legit and all you have to do is sign, then who is gunna argue with that?
 

Knight76

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So Gal knows exactly what he’s getting paid but he doesn’t know the drugs that he was given are illegal? Gal is full of shit.

The thing with the players is, now while I’m sure they know what they are going to get paid, I don’t think they would have any idea if it was all above board or not. Take the Storm for example, Brian Waldron and Peter O’Sullivan went to the NRL asking for some exemptions, which were denied by the NRL. They came back claiming that the exemptions were given the green light. Why would the players not believe the CEO and recruitment officer of their club? When you’ve got your CEO, recruitment manager and player manager all telling you that everything is legit and all you have to do is sign, then who is gunna argue with that?

That just doesn't wash mate.

It has come out in the past that the way clubs operate is they tell a player they are offering say, $500k per year, player agrees, agent agress and the contract comes back for 400k with a 100k TPA.

Right off the player knows there is a problem. TPA's are not meant to be arranged by clubs and are supposed to be completely at arms length. Apparently introductions are ok but thats it. In the above scenario the player should be fully aware this is not at arms length. The TPA is a direct payment to play for the club, which breaches the TPA rules.

You comment about the player believing the CEO etc would not need to exist if player signed stat dec stating this is the money I am being paid to play for the club. The player agent and CEO signs it also, as well as head of football. Any TPA hidden from the NRL and later discovered throw the book at all of them. They can no longer plead ignorance.

I believe in the past players have signed two contract, one for the NRL and one ensuring TPA payments.

TPA's are meant to have nothing to do with the club and are a way for players to make money outside of their club capitalising on their profile as a pro footy player. Clearly clubs are rorting them left right and centre, and any player given a TPA by the club that their agent or themselves knew nothing about should be ringing alarm bells.

Your never going to bring TPA's under any sort of control until players are accountable for their payments. If they were, you would see players ensuring they are in the clear, you would see players refusing TPA's provided by clubs and come contract renewal time would see players considering their options around how much money in their deal is straight up, and not TPA dependant.

The NRL can easily clear up any doubt about exemptions being granted etc by releasing a media statement around each of these decisions. Make it public, stop hiding all the the back room decisions. Clarity is the key.
 
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hrundi99

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That just doesn't wash mate.

It has come out in the past that the way clubs operate is they tell a player they are offering say, $500k per year, player agrees, agent agress and the contract comes back for 400k with a 100k TPA.

Right off the player knows there is a problem. TPA's are not meant to be arranged by clubs and are supposed to be completely at arms length. Apparently introductions are ok but thats it. In the above scenario the player should be fully aware this is not at arms length. The TPA is a direct payment to play for the club, which breaches the TPA rules.

You comment about the player believing the CEO etc would not need to exist if player signed stat dec stating this is the money I am being paid to play for the club. The player agent and CEO signs it also, as well as head of football. Any TPA hidden from the NRL and later discovered throw the book at all of them. They can no longer plead ignorance.

I believe in the past players have signed two contract, one for the NRL and one ensuring TPA payments.

TPA's are meant to have nothing to do with the club and are a way for players to make money outside of their club capitalising on their profile as a pro footy player. Clearly clubs are rorting them left right and centre, and any player given a TPA by the club that their agent or themselves knew nothing about should be ringing alarm bells.

Your never going to bring TPA's under any sort of control until players are accountable for their payments. If they were, you would see players ensuring they are in the clear, you would see players refusing TPA's provided by clubs and come contract renewal time would see players considering their options around how much money in their deal is straight up, and not TPA dependant.

The NRL can easily clear up any doubt about exemptions being granted etc by releasing a media statement around each of these decisions. Make it public, stop hiding all the the back room decisions. Clarity is the key.

Where has it come out in the past?

I'd suggest that players get told something by the club and management but have no idea what everyone else is getting paid and therefore there's no onus on them to be the moral compass on the salary cap.
 

RazorRam0n

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The Penn family is very wealthy and this whole thing is an ego trip for them.

I doubt a seven figure fine would send them up the wall. A man can dream...

don't care how wealthy they are, their ego still prevents them from pissing up multi million $ losses up the wall year in year out, which is where they will be if they lost points and sponsors.
 

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