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Match Discussion: Round 3 vs Raiders @ GIO Stadium Canberra

Who will win? Round 3: Raiders v Knights

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Spot On

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Overall stats:
42% possession

70% completion rate

83.8% effective tackle rate

"157
The amount of metres made by David Klemmer.
He was the top metre eater for the Knights in Friday’s loss to Canberra.

He had 61 metres post-contact which was the highest for the Knights.

44
The number of tackles made by Danny Levi.

He topped the count for the Knights, although David Klemmer was close behind with 40."
https://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2019/03/29/numbers-big-unit-stands-tall-ramien-runs-riot/



... intetestingly Canberra's completion rate was slightly lower than ours. We completed 28/40 and they completed 28/41. Poor from both sides but pretty much even opportunities with the ball.
 
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newyboy

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Would the soft runs suggest a lack of motivation amongst the playing group? There doesn’t seem to be any sense of intensity in our attack. No decoy runners, no bodies in motion, just one-out runs and going sideways. We need these blokes to fire up!
Put them on match payments. See how hungry people are then. Maybe the Knights should have pioneered that, the last few years when they had nothing to lose.
 

Pedge1971

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I never said anything about liking it or disliking it.

Why do you suggest shit that no one has literally written???

Do you think both Canberra and Newcastle have top 8 teams on paper?!

Yep, definitey thereabouts. And looking at the games today I reckon both teams will be bottom 8 or just outside with a few others there with us.

But I am enjoying your meltdown. Just because you want Browny sacked doesnt mean everyone has to agree.
 

Spot On

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Yep, definitey thereabouts. And looking at the games today I reckon both teams will be bottom 8 or just outside with a few others there with us.

But I am enjoying your meltdown. Just because you want Browny sacked doesnt mean everyone has to agree.

Geez you've gone out on a limb there - Canberra and Newcastle will both make the 8 hey.

Oh, it has been a massive meltdown.

And of course you will back up your gelati with the quotes of mine telling us all I want Brown sacked - won't you?
 

Pedge1971

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Geez you've gone out on a limb there - Canberra and Newcastle will both make the 8 hey.

Oh, it has been a massive meltdown.

And of course you will back up your gelati with the quotes of mine telling us all I want Brown sacked - won't you?

Getting Brown sacked is all you have talked about in the last 5 pages. I am ok with that.

To take your incredibly sulky position, where did I literally say in thos thread Canberra and Newcastle would make the 8?

Geez mate, take it easy or you will pop a vein.
 

Mr_Knightside

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@ Spot On

If people didn’t specifically say that Brown should be sacked I’ll take your word for it as I’m not going back over 12 pages of this thread to verify but given some people are up in arms over Brown’s coaching style and his team selections (including yourself) then how else should we read into that? If you’re implying that Brown can’t coach or something to that effect then I can only assume that you (and others with a similar opinion) want him sacked, why would you want a head coach at the club who you don’t think can coach?

Some people clearly think Brown can’t coach and some think he can. My personal opinion is that he’s a good coach but we haven’t seen the best of him yet as he has put most of his focus over the last few years into rebuilding the roster and as a result has basically had a reserve grade team for most of that time.

To answer your other question about whether we’re a top 8 side I think if we play to our potential (or close to it) then we can make the top 8. However this will also depend on a decent run with injuries and Brown not persisting with Ponga at 5/8 if it isn’t working.

I hope this covers the stuff that you feel needs addressing.
 

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@ Spot On

If people didn’t specifically say that Brown should be sacked I’ll take your word for it as I’m not going back over 12 pages of this thread to verify but given some people are up in arms over Brown’s coaching style and his team selections (including yourself) then how else should we read into that? If you’re implying that Brown can’t coach or something to that effect then I can only assume that you (and others with a similar opinion) want him sacked, why would you want a head coach at the club who you don’t think can coach?

Some people clearly think Brown can’t coach and some think he can. My personal opinion is that he’s a good coach but we haven’t seen the best of him yet as he has put most of his focus over the last few years into rebuilding the roster and as a result has basically had a reserve grade team for most of that time.

To answer your other question about whether we’re a top 8 side I think if we play to our potential (or close to it) then we can make the top 8. However this will also depend on a decent run with injuries and Brown not persisting with Ponga at 5/8 if it isn’t working.

I hope this covers the stuff that you feel needs addressing.

Knightside

That's an extremely long post of ideas and thoughts that you could have avoided if you had read just the last few pages.

But nice to see someone attempt to put their point across without making up gelati that has not been written in here.

You are incorrect to assume I want Brown sacked. Has he made mistakes in recruitment and team selections? Yes he has. He pretty much admitted that is the case in last night's press conference.

I have not intended to imply that Brown can't coach either. I have said that what we have seen is a team Brown wanted which has so far failed to improve this season. In fact, they were pathetic last night. Not first grade standard in many aspects of the game.

Why do you think that is? I queried whether it was a lack of quality players or the coaching?

Team selections have so far proven to backfire don't you agree?

For the record, I'm happy for Brown to be given to the point where we can not make the top 8. if we arrive at that point he should be moved on.

If he isn't then we would be looking to turn over some of the roster again.
 

Yosh

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Knightside

That's an extremely long post of ideas and thoughts that you could have avoided if you had read just the last few pages.

But nice to see someone attempt to put their point across without making up gelati that has not been written in here.

You are incorrect to assume I want Brown sacked. Has he made mistakes in recruitment and team selections? Yes he has. He pretty much admitted that is the case in last night's press conference.

I have not intended to imply that Brown can't coach either. I have said that what we have seen is a team Brown wanted which has so far failed to improve this season. In fact, they were pathetic last night. Not first grade standard in many aspects of the game.

Why do you think that is? I queried whether it was a lack of quality players or the coaching?

Team selections have so far proven to backfire don't you agree?

For the record, I'm happy for Brown to be given to the point where we can not make the top 8. if we arrive at that point he should be moved on.

If he isn't then we would be looking to turn over some of the roster again.

Mistakes with recruitment? Where? Every club in every sport only has a 50% success rate at best but Brown has been on fire.

Selections? Where? What mistake? Ponga wants to play six, it's not a mistake it's an experiment. A couple of calls go our way and we could have been 3-0. Pearce kicks a metre earlier and doesn't get charged down, the Panthers don't get a freak bounce etc. Those two games we lost were 50/50 games. I still think we will make top 5-6 even after a 1-2 start.
 

Knight Vision

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I'd hate to think of the perpetual mediocrity we would have to endure if Browny wasnt appointed. Because of him we have what appears to be a better culture, a bunch of high profile senior players that chose to come to our club, partly because of his vision and exciting juniors coming through.

We lost 2 close games while playing well below what we can play. When we finally click (and I'm sure we will ) we're in for an exciting ride.

We just had to swim through 3 years of shit with our mouths open and I'm patient enough to let the bloke do what he has to do.
 

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Mistakes with recruitment? Where? Every club in every sport only has a 50% success rate at best but Brown has been on fire.

Selections? Where? What mistake? Ponga wants to play six, it's not a mistake it's an experiment. A couple of calls go our way and we could have been 3-0. Pearce kicks a metre earlier and doesn't get charged down, the Panthers don't get a freak bounce etc. Those two games we lost were 50/50 games. I still think we will make top 5-6 even after a 1-2 start.

Watch Brown's press conference Yosh. That will answer your questions re selection issues.

As for recruitment, Watson was a gamble that has now caused problems. He's not a 5/8 and lacks a lot of skills needed to be a good NRL fullback. He looks like a utilty - maybe. Our spine is still a big issue. We are going into r4 and we still aren't settled there yet. The 4 players involved are not new recruits ie brought to the club over the off season. After 3 yrs of shit, we should have had a spine set and ready to go.

Mann is another bloke you scratch your head at.

Moga and Griff were always long shots with their injury history - we lost there too.

Kudos for rolling the dice though. Guerra was incredible last season and of course Ponga was a masterstroke.

Ponga has repeatedly said he and Brown had a conversation about moving to 6. He did not approach Brown and demand it. He was open to what the coach thought would be best for the team.

We are lucky to have won the one game Yosh. We were never in the hunt Friday night against Canberra. Never. Scoreline flattered us greatly. The side missed more than 50 tackles Yosh. Did you know that?? We were pathetic, even with our gun new recruits. The only other side to have missed more than 40 tackles in a game so far this year is Canberra (41 missed on r2).

People are worried about our attack but unfortunately there are still massive problems with our defense. Sione missed 20% of those 50 plus tackles Friday night Yosh. Our missed tackle count has increased each round. In other words, we are going backwards in defence each week.

As for our attack, even with Ponga at 1 last year it was becoming obvious that we striggled to score if he didn't create sonething. Our 7 and 9 are not creative, attacking players. Watson struggles to pass although he can get to a spot where needed to create something with his running but it generally falls apart from there. Maybe shifting Ponga to fullback will help a few more points to be scored?? But we are an easy team to defend against imo as we do not many points of attack.

We also lack kicking options. Easy to know who will be kicking every set.

Penrith are in horrible form yet got us at our home ground. The Sharks blew countless tries (four or five) and Edrick's intercept pretty much at the death saved us - otherwise the Sharks score. We really were lucky to get the 2 points in that game. I hope we aren't sweating on a last minute intercept each week to save us Hey, take it every day of the week but that was pure luck.

Now we have a situation where Sione should be dropped to reserves if Brown is serious after setting the precedent with Herman. But will he be?
 
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slotmachine

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Stats for first three games if anyone is interested.
 

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... and the sides missed tackle count is probably the highest in the league so far??? The 2 players we were most worried about defensively are already racking up the big missed tackle numbers.

Edit - we lead comfortably with 118 missed so far.
 
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Knight Vision

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... and the sides missed tackle count is probably the highest in the league so far??? The 2 players we were most worried about defensively are already racking up the big missed tackle numbers.

Edit - we lead comfortably with 118 missed so far.
stats dont always tell the picture. We also sit as 5th best D ( points conceded )
 

Knight Vision

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As for recruitment, Watson was a gamble that has now caused problems. He's not a 5/8 and lacks a lot of skills needed to be a good NRL fullback. He looks like a utilty - maybe
I remember people saying the same about a young fella named Billy Slater.....lets give him some time.

Moga and Griff were always long shots with their injury history - we lost there too.
Agree, we had a roll of the dice and it didnt pay off

We are lucky to have won the one game
One could argue we were unlucky not to have won 3, played terribly in 2 but still in the hunt and had a chance of winning them..

here are still massive problems with our defense. Sione missed 20% of those 50 plus tackles Friday night Yosh. Our missed tackle count has increased each round. In other words, we are going backwards in defence each week.
5th best defense in the comp thus far. Could of , should of and maybe's dont count. Points count and we sit 5th in least points conceded. Yes we have work to do but that is a huuuuuge improvement on past seasons......so far. This time last year we were the 4th worst defensive team

As for our attack, even with Ponga at 1 last year it was becoming obvious that we striggled to score if he didn't create sonething. Our 7 and 9 are not creative, attacking players. Watson struggles to pass although he can get to a spot where needed to create something with his running but it generally falls apart from there. Maybe shifting Ponga to fullback will help a few more points to be scored?? But we are an easy team to defend against imo as we do not many points of attack.
can agree to an extent . although last year we were the most potent scoring team inside the opposition 20.
 

Bring it home Knights

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Out of the 2 positions - 5/8 or fullback, I always felt Ponga would be a far better fullback than 5/8. Ponga is a fullback who can be lethal at the back or up in the line which is a win win for the team. The only reason I felt that the change may be worthwhile with him and Watson is if Watson killed it at fullback and it worked out as a better overall option for the team.

It seems apparent that Watson won't be the fullback that we hoped he would be. As a result, moving Ponga to fullback will probably be the best option for 2019.

Now the issue that we have is, where do we move Watson? Does anyone know how Mann would go as a 5/8? If he has the goods, I'd be happy with:

1. Ponga
6. Mann
7. Pierce
9. Levi

14. Watson
 

Old dog

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Remember Watson was promised 5/8 as incentive to get him here and Lamb was then on the outer. So is Watson not as good as expected and might only be a bench player covering most spine positions.
Odd we are having problems with the positions we thought was strong, time to bite the bullet.
 

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