Missed tackles.

[blacktip-reefy]

As I still havent seen the game, I am not forming an opinion yet, merely highlighting a fact.

We were 2nd worse in the missed tackle count this week with 36. Only Manly with 39 were worse. Cowboys missed 36 too.

 

[Foz]

I thought we missed a few on their big blokes but the Cows couldn't capitalise.
We also missed Thurston a heap of times but fortunately we didn't pay for it.
We got a couple of good bounces at the right time as well.
What was outstanding was we only let in 1 try in the first 20 mins when they had all the ball.
We clung on a few times early in the second half as well.
Simmonds did that tackle on Bowen and Myles was held up over the line.
We kept them out and scored down the other end.
Cows were gone then.
Cowboys chose the wrong times to make errors.
We had the run of the game in the last 15 mins so tackle counts should be pretty even with the Cows.
Penalties of 6-1 helped.

 

[imasharkie]

Didn't look like we missed that many.
bit like the old Pennies logic
score more than you give away :lol:

 

[sydneysharkbrisbane68]

We missed some tackles, seems now days missed tackles in mid 30's is norm last week when tigers beat Roosters missed 42 tackles to mid 30s for Roosters.

Also where miss tackles and then the scrambling, the Dogs, last year were not best defensive unit with missed tackles but scrambling and heart, and have a look at us this year, the heart we play with every one for each other

 

[Jimbo]

Three of them happened five metres out of our goal line in the first half, in the space of five seconds.

Bowen fielded the ball and ran sideways, trying to go around Noddy, Peach and one other. He was finally tackled by a fourth defender without making any gound, but it still would have been counted as three missed tackles.

So following a great kick and chase, we pin one of the most elusive runners in the game five meters into the field of play. An outstanding effort, but in the record books as 8% of our missed tackles.

Lies, damn lies, and...

 

[chili pepper]

I saw Jimbo miss a few after the game

 

[sharkmachine07]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
yer we did miss alot of tackels we need to work on one on one tackels and our strangth to help that

 

[Jimbo]

I saw Jimbo miss a few after the game

You would have seen me make a few line breaks and score three tries too then...

 

[chili pepper]

I saw Jimbo miss a few after the game

You would have seen me make a few line breaks and score three tries too then...

Yeah mate you were on fire

 

[sharknows]

Shows how stats can be deceiving - we miss all those tackles yet the Cowboys can only get across our line once. I thought the Cowboys threw every thing they had at us last night - a credit to our scrambling defence and commitment.

 

[bubs]

Jimbo got absolutely SMASHED by wazza. Bad luck Jimbo.
You'll be right. You can afford the best physio money can buy now..

I will accept a few missed tackles in return for only 1 penalty against us. YES.
When was the last time that happened to our team in 80 minutes of football. :shock: :shock:

 

[bubs]

Jimbo got absolutely SMASHED by wazza. Bad luck Jimbo.
You'll be right. You can afford the best physio money can buy now..

I will accept a few missed tackles in return for only 1 penalty against us. YES.
When was the last time that happened to our team in 80 minutes of football. :shock: :shock:

 

[sharknows]

Shows how stats can be deceiving - we miss all those tackles yet the Cowboys can only get across our line once. I thought the Cowboys threw every thing they had at us last night - a credit to our scrambling defence and commitment.

 

[black_dot]

I think the difference this season is that we are taking 3 players into most tackles, the first tackler may fall off or miss, but the tackle is effected by the support tacklers. Obviously the first players miss counts in the stats.

 

[Jimbo]

That's true dot.

The first bloke may miss the tackle and therefore be statistically frowned upon, but he slows the ball carrier enough for him to be rounded up by the scramblers. Looks bad on paper, but in real terms the damage is negligible.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Three of them happened five metres out of our goal line in the first half, in the space of five seconds.

Bowen fielded the ball and ran sideways, trying to go around Noddy, Peach and one other. He was finally tackled by a fourth defender without making any gound, but it still would have been counted as three missed tackles.

So following a great kick and chase, we pin one of the most elusive runners in the game five meters into the field of play. An outstanding effort, but in the record books as 8% of our missed tackles.

Lies, damn lies, and...

I can categorically say that is not the case. It happened 8 minutes before half time. No misses were awarded for that run.

 

[spirit of league]

it does seem to me like all teams are having a much higher missed tackle rate this year. (not that i've bothered to compare stats to last year to confirm, sorry). i also have no idea exactly what criteria are applied in the gathering of the statistical information.

but i do know we were watching a very committed and highly effective sharks defensive unit, as evidenced by only conceding one try / one penalty for the entire match against a potent and determined attacking side.

the enthusiasm was unflagging. the communication, the focus, the desire, the attitude - all top notch.

i'm much more concerned right now about handling errors. that and how we can maintain this same attitude right thru to the end of the season !

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Shows how stats can be deceiving - we miss all those tackles yet the Cowboys can only get across our line once. I thought the Cowboys threw every thing they had at us last night - a credit to our scrambling defence and commitment.

How true Sharknows!

I have tried to dispel the fallicy that a high miss tackle rate doesn't necessarily lead to high points conceded by that team even before this weekend, and I was shouted down by some know it all knob.

It is those cold one on one misses out wide that are the real bad ones that lead to tries. And I haven't seen the Sharks doing any amount of those to have any alarm bells ringing for Raper. Like Black Dot stated, if three tacklers go in to the tackle and one falls off and the other two complete an effective tackle is that miss tackle an issue? Of course not.

Lets look at some of the miss tackle rates and points conceded from this weekend;

Sharks had 36 miss tackles and conceded 6 points.
Cowboys had 36 miss tackles and conceded 38 points.

So in that game statistically speaking we have conceded the same high rate of miss tackles as the Cowboys but conceded only one try to their 7.

Now to show that this game is not a fluke let's look at another.

Broncos had 25 miss tackles and conceded 14 points.
Eels had 25 miss tackles and conceded 54 points.

I could go on but lets look at the other side of the statistics.
Does a low miss tackle rate mean a low amount of points conceded? No.

The Roosters this weekend only had 13 miss tackles.
From this relatively low rate compared to other teams above they have conceded 24 points.

So the miss tackle statistics are a non event.
Just like this thread and its author.

We have the third best defensive record in the league currently and it clearly shows Raper has done a tremendous amount of work with our defence. So the people who state otherwise as seen in my signature must have other agendas.

 

[King of the Hill]

:lol:
So now missed tackles dont matter when the Sharks are involved - they're not only a pointless stat but people are speaking of them so highly that they are almost desirable!

miss tackle statistics are a non event.

:lol:

people who state otherwise as seen in my signature must have other agendas

The voices in your head should let you know that youre a paranoid nut.

 

[Dragon Slayer]

[quote="Dragon Slayer
It is those cold one on one misses out wide that are the real bad ones that lead to tries. And I haven't seen the Sharks doing any amount of those to have any alarm bells ringing for Raper. Like Black Dot stated, if three tacklers go in to the tackle and one falls off and the other two complete an effective tackle is that miss tackle an issue? Of course not.[/quote]

Shire King most people only need to read a post once to let it sink in.
You obviously need to read posts a few times at least so here is the relevent quote for your questions.