Most overrated players?

[SEAT 1A]

Mitchell Moses

 

[Como Connection]

Trent Barrett.
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[BLM01]

Thurston for mine.

I know he used to play no. 7 for the Cowboys but he’s really a five-eighth, and in that regard, I’d personally have Lewis, Fittler and Kenny all well above him.

I just don’t understand the vast amount of adulation for him. Can anyone recall a time where he tore up SGI at club level?

I can’t.

The other three, no problem.

LOL..you might be Robbo Crusoe there
But i forgot 1 more. Sezer from the Raiders

 

[Frank Facer]

Anthony Mundine was overrated by himself.

 

[baggygreen man]

Ben Hunt. I can see why Bennett let him go. What a bunch of nongs our recruitment team were to have offered him a cool $1mill a year.

 

[baggygreen man]

Dufty

Dugan and Dufty. Both crabs, soft defenders.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Dugan and Dufty. Both crabs, soft defenders.

Dufty’s fall in popularity isn’t surprising. I said Dugan’s departure would be costly.

 

[Frank Facer]

Dufty’s fall in popularity isn’t surprising. I sad Dugan’s departure would be costly.

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

 

[Como Connection]

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

Very well stated Frank.
Better have one more beer before dinner.
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[Saint_JimmyG]

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

For every try (and assist) you say Dufty made, he allowed the same amount of tries through by non existent defence.

This doesn’t take into account that Dufty’s so-called “match winning performances” were against lowly sides or against better teams with early season rust.

I’m yet to see any evidence which conclusively proves that Dugan wanted elite fullback money. Personally, I reckon this allegation is bull. Dugan was quoted in saying he was more than happy to play in the centres (as he did with Cronulla in 2018).

 

[TruSaint]

Dugan and Dufty. Both crabs, soft defenders.

Dugan a soft defender ?

anyway, on topic, Aaron Woods... daylight second.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

I love this question. I used to love it when they polled the players and asked them for their vote on who was the most overrated players. Many a time, I would agree with the ones who the players voted for. Overrated can be overrated by the selectors or overrated by the media or even overrated by the fans.

I on the other hand always cringed at this question... what does "Over-rated" actually mean??

I'd do agree and think it's when a player has higher levels of endorsement from the majority of commentators, journos and fans than the real level of value they bring to a club truly is...

On this basis - and if you'd asked me in May this year my standout player was...

Tom Trbojevic.

My reasoning..

I'd hear so many commentators talk us this kid deluxe for the last few years- most notably Andrew Johns "future original star" etc etc.. I always hate it when someone tags a player this way..

Yet every game I watched Manly play over the last two seasons (admittedly 10 games a year) - "Turbo Tom" was average at best. And against the dragons every time we had a woeful game fraught with errors. What on earth was everyone on about. Over-rated!!

Not that I think I'm a better judge of a player than Andrew Johns... I just never saw this kid play a good game. Then he's selected for Origin on the wing for game one - out of position. Geezus please say it aint so!!.

Then he plays and has a cracker of a game. I got it all after that. And also got what value he adds to his club when I watched some Manly games post-origin where he added a lot to an otherwise mediocre attack.

 

[ouryears]

Dugan and Dufty. Both crabs, soft defenders.

Duges may be some things, but he ain’t no soft defender.
Unless you are a bull dozer

 

[ouryears]

Dugan a soft defender ?

anyway, on topic, Aaron Woods... daylight second.

For every try (and assist) you say Dufty made, he allowed the same amount of tries through by non existent defence.

This doesn’t take into account that Dufty’s so-called “match winning performances” were against lowly sides or against better teams with early season rust.

I’m yet to see any evidence which conclusively proves that Dugan wanted elite fullback money. Personally, I reckon this allegation is bull. Dugan was quoted in saying he was more than happy to play in the centres (as he did with Cronulla in 2018).

Jimmy, he didn’t let in 15 or so tries, maybe 4 or 5
Dugan hardly played any games, injuries galore.....
If he stayed with us, he would have hardly been sighted
I dont miss him at all
Another will come along if Duffy doesn’t make it
I think he still will

 

[ouryears]

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

I agree Frank, we are better off without duges
We would have won 4 less games
And Not even made the finals, with 4 less wins

 

[Frank Facer]

For every try (and assist) you say Dufty made, he allowed the same amount of tries through by non existent defence.

This doesn’t take into account that Dufty’s so-called “match winning performances” were against lowly sides or against better teams with early season rust.

I’m yet to see any evidence which conclusively proves that Dugan wanted elite fullback money. Personally, I reckon this allegation is bull. Dugan was quoted in saying he was more than happy to play in the centres (as he did with Cronulla in 2018).

So are you saying that Dufty lost us games because of his defence? and you are saying that if we had Dugan on the field, that we would have won those games, because Dugan would have saved the tries that Dufty didn't?

I know that Dufty's defence needs improvement, but I don't remember us losing games because of his poor defence. I do however recall him winning us numerous games and I know for a fact that Dugan wouldn't have won us those games. Dufty added another dimension to our attack and he was the only back to really provide any X factor.

The reality is the Dufty's defence was only really exposed, when the rest of the team didn't defend properly.

I know that Dufty does have to make improvements to his defence, his taking of the high balls and he has to improve how he injects himself into the backline.

Dugan was injured for half of the year again, so Cronulla certainly didn't get much value for money out of their 700K a season purchase.

BTW you said that you don't believe that Dugan wanted elite fullback money. Well I say, believe what you want to then. ps I am not a bigot. lol

And another thing, it doesn't look like any other NRL clubs were interested in signing Dugan to play fullback. Do you really think that it would have been wise to sign Dugan for 700K a year to play centre for us and then him only play 14 games in the season? I don't. I don't even think it would have been wise to pay Dugan 700K a season to play centre for us, even if he played every game of the year.

So, do you think we should have paid 700K a season? and do you think we should have caved into Dugan's demands for more money? We apparently offered him 750K a season, but Dugan knocked it back and ended up signing with Cronulla for 700K.

 

[Frank Facer]

I on the other hand always cringed at this question... what does "Over-rated" actually mean??

I'd do agree and think it's when a player has higher levels of endorsement from the majority of commentators, journos and fans than the real level of value they bring to a club truly is...

On this basis - and if you'd asked me in May this year my standout player was...

Tom Trbojevic.

My reasoning..

I'd hear so many commentators talk us this kid deluxe for the last few years- most notably Andrew Johns "future original star" etc etc.. I always hate it when someone tags a player this way..

Yet every game I watched Manly play over the last two seasons (admittedly 10 games a year) - "Turbo Tom" was average at best. And against the dragons every time we had a woeful game fraught with errors. What on earth was everyone on about. Over-rated!!

Not that I think I'm a better judge of a player than Andrew Johns... I just never saw this kid play a good game. Then he's selected for Origin on the wing for game one - out of position. Geezus please say it aint so!!.

Then he plays and has a cracker of a game. I got it all after that. And also got what value he adds to his club when I watched some Manly games post-origin where he added a lot to an otherwise mediocre attack.

I rate Tom Turbo right up there with the best in the game. I would have picked him at centre origin, but maybe we were better off with him on the wing, as Qld directed a lot of high balls towards him and he was up to the challenge.

 

[Frank Facer]

I agree Frank, we are better off without dufty
We would have won 4 less games
And Not even made the finals, with 4 less wins

I agree that we probably wouldn't have made the semi's if Dufty didn't play.

I am assuming that your post was meant to read that we are better off without Dugan?

 

[gitano]

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

Wrong.

 

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Nathan Clearly