Most overrated players?

[ouryears]

I agree that we probably wouldn't have made the semi's if Dufty didn't play.

I am assuming that your post was meant to read that we are better off without Dugan?

Oh geeze, yes, we are better off without duges.....sorry, damn.
Dufty will get there, I am confident about that

 

[ouryears]

Wrong.

I think he is right
Remember, Dugan is where the ball goes to die
That saying was no myth

 

[JDHD]

Oh man, how could I forget Matt f**kin Moylan, the most overrated player since Braith Anasta

 

[41yearsaint]

And his mate Bryce Cartwright.
$1M a year for Milford is overs too.

 

[Overseas dragon]

Wrong.

yes you are sir

 

[BLM01]

Co

And his mate Bryce Cartwright.
$1M a year for Milford is overs too.

Couple of good one's there but Cartwright not anymore.

 

[BLM01]

Oh man, how could I forget Matt f**kin Moylan, the most overrated player since Braith Anasta

Yeh Moylan is certainly not the player he was at Penrith before all the in house fighting with him and others over whatever. I still reckon his best position is fullback. He will always be a target defending in the line as is Maloney but Maloney is a better all round player. Penrith won that swap and I dont care about the recent semi, Maloney did have a shit game but Sharks nearly choked on a pumpkin. Of course Maloney's excuse from Gus and others was about injury and fatigue as excuses (even if true) it was to avoid copping the Ben Hunt media spray as I now call any over the top criticism of any player. " The Benny Hunt Crucifixion"

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

So are you saying that Dufty lost us games because of his defence? and you are saying that if we had Dugan on the field, that we would have won those games, because Dugan would have saved the tries that Dufty didn't?

I know that Dufty's defence needs improvement, but I don't remember us losing games because of his poor defence. I do however recall him winning us numerous games and I know for a fact that Dugan wouldn't have won us those games. Dufty added another dimension to our attack and he was the only back to really provide any X factor.

The reality is the Dufty's defence was only really exposed, when the rest of the team didn't defend properly.

I know that Dufty does have to make improvements to his defence, his taking of the high balls and he has to improve how he injects himself into the backline.

Dugan was injured for half of the year again, so Cronulla certainly didn't get much value for money out of their 700K a season purchase.

BTW you said that you don't believe that Dugan wanted elite fullback money. Well I say, believe what you want to then. ps I am not a bigot. lol

And another thing, it doesn't look like any other NRL clubs were interested in signing Dugan to play fullback. Do you really think that it would have been wise to sign Dugan for 700K a year to play centre for us and then him only play 14 games in the season? I don't. I don't even think it would have been wise to pay Dugan 700K a season to play centre for us, even if he played every game of the year.

So, do you think we should have paid 700K a season? and do you think we should have caved into Dugan's demands for more money? We apparently offered him 750K a season, but Dugan knocked it back and ended up signing with Cronulla for 700K.

Rugby League is a team game; no one player loses a game for his team specifically (unless it’s a single point deficit). Apropos the playing strengths of Dufty and Dugan, the former has greater passing and overall speed whereas the latter has superior defence and running metres fielding kicks.

It’s a balance of the skill sets and in my opinion, Dugan is more valuable.

Third last paragraph: where there any clubs in need of a fullback? I’m unsure there were so your point is moot. As for the alleged 700k, unless you’re there at the negotiation table, I don’t believe in the veracity of these reported figures.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Jimmy, he didn’t let in 15 or so tries, maybe 4 or 5
Dugan hardly played any games, injuries galore.....
If he stayed with us, he would have hardly been sighted
I dont miss him at all
Another will come along if Duffy doesn’t make it
I think he still will

You mentioned those specific figures, not me. With Dufty, I’m still haunted by those Melbourne players who didn’t bother sidestepping the fullback in the process of scoring many tries in the 52-30 loss.

 

[Datramp]

You mentioned those specific figures, not me. With Dufty, I’m still haunted by those Melbourne players who didn’t bother sidestepping the fullback in the process of scoring many tries in the 52-30 loss.

Or the bulldogs winger literally just running around him. Or the times where he could have helped hold the ball up but stood 2m away hands on hips.

Still think we are better off with him than Dugan. If we could take Dugan's competitiveness and instill it in Dufty we would have the best of both worlds.

Slater (for all the hate he gets and the grub he is) is a similar size to Dufty with a massive competitive streak. Instill in dufty and see the results. Guess that is one for the coaches.

 

[OzDragon]

Boyd

 

[Frank Facer]

Boyd

Yeah, I forgot Darius Boyd. I think he is massively overrated by the selectors, media and fans alike.

 

[Carlton]

Dugan's departure has not been at all costly. It has actually saved us money. Dufty won us more games this year than Dugan would have. Dufty scored more tries for us this year than Dugan did for us in 3 years. Dufty also provided more try assists this year, than Dugan did in 3 years. Dufty played every game this year, Dugan played 14 games. Dugan wanted elite fullback money to play half a season. Letting Dugan go was a master stroke on Millward's part.

How many games did Dufty win us this year?

I dont think there were too many of them to be honest, this idea he was a match winner for us has grown out of all proportion and is entering the realms of urban myth. Just because he is running his own lines across field and then back again does not equate to x factor, it is not playing as part of the team. While I'm at it I'll also dispute this idea that he has unbelievable speed, he is quick off the mark but in games I saw him outpaced on a number of occasions. I'm not saying he is slow but compared to the really quick players in the game he is not up with them.

 

[ouryears]

How many games did Dufty win us this year?

I dont think there were too many of them to be honest, this idea he was a match winner for us has grown out of all proportion and is entering the realms of urban myth. Just because he is running his own lines across field and then back again does not equate to x factor, it is not playing as part of the team. While I'm at it I'll also dispute this idea that he has unbelievable speed, he is quick off the mark but in games I saw him outpaced on a number of occasions. I'm not saying he is slow but compared to the really quick players in the game he is not up with them.

He created or scored the match winning try in 4 games, otherwise 4 losses.
Equals 11th instead of 7th.

He is a kid learning his craft, give him the credit for where he is and where he is going.

 

[ouryears]

Rugby League is a team game; no one player loses a game for his team specifically (unless it’s a single point deficit). Apropos the playing strengths of Dufty and Dugan, the former has greater passing and overall speed whereas the latter has superior defence and running metres fielding kicks.

It’s a balance of the skill sets and in my opinion, Dugan is more valuable.

Third last paragraph: where there any clubs in need of a fullback? I’m unsure there were so your point is moot. As for the alleged 700k, unless you’re there at the negotiation table, I don’t believe in the veracity of these reported figures.

The thing is Dugan has reached what he was ever going to become, there is no more upside. Dufty is on a journey, he will surpass Dugan and wave hello on his way up.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

The thing is Dugan has reached what he was ever going to become, there is no more upside. Dufty is on a journey, he will surpass Dugan and wave hello on his way up.

Dugan: NSW and Australian representative.

I doubt Dufty will be playing first grade by the end of 2019.

Time will tell.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

How many games did Dufty win us this year?

I dont think there were too many of them to be honest, this idea he was a match winner for us has grown out of all proportion and is entering the realms of urban myth. Just because he is running his own lines across field and then back again does not equate to x factor, it is not playing as part of the team. While I'm at it I'll also dispute this idea that he has unbelievable speed, he is quick off the mark but in games I saw him outpaced on a number of occasions. I'm not saying he is slow but compared to the really quick players in the game he is not up with them.

What you said.

 

[BLM01]

Dugan: NSW and Australian representative.

I doubt Dufty will be playing first grade by the end of 2019.

Time will tell.

Very lucky to be picked for Australia and NSW (as a winger and a centre to which he was not the best at either) as was Fergo..those ships are long gone
I disagree re Dufty and you sell him short after only after 1 full season as a young bloke in 1st grade. Imagine if we cut down some of our legends or better players in the game after their 1st full season in 1st grade. They have not all shined in their 1st year. One of us will be right so time will tell..

 

[Crush]

Dufty’s fall in popularity isn’t surprising. I said Dugan’s departure would be costly.

I never know if you are just trying to get a bite or if you are being serious. Either way, I enjoy your posts.
Lol @Dugan departure comment.
He had a shocker of a half season with sharks and is being shopped around already, he will end up in ESL before the end of 2019 I reckon.

 

[BLM01]

Dugan: NSW and Australian representative.

I doubt Dufty will be playing first grade by the end of 2019.

Time will tell.

How many games did Dufty win us this year?

I dont think there were too many of them to be honest, this idea he was a match winner for us has grown out of all proportion and is entering the realms of urban myth. Just because he is running his own lines across field and then back again does not equate to x factor, it is not playing as part of the team. While I'm at it I'll also dispute this idea that he has unbelievable speed, he is quick off the mark but in games I saw him outpaced on a number of occasions. I'm not saying he is slow but compared to the really quick players in the game he is not up with them.

3 games Cronulla, Canberra. Parra (more than Dugan did for Cronulla). Still not bad for his 1st year