Most overrated players?

[Saint_JimmyG]

I hate champagne and does it matter who you beat. I would not call canberra an also ran.

Did Canberra finish in the top eight this year? In fact, when were the Raiders a realistic premiership threat?

I reckon circa 1995 sounds about right.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

I was excited when I first saw Quinlan coming into 1st grade on potential and promises alone but from reserve grade and Dufty spent little time in reserves straight out of Under 20's then into 1sts.
It did not take that long to work out Quinlan was not going to make it and he was older. Chalk and cheese, 2 different players and Quinlan proved in the end he was not 1st grade standard in any facet.
Dufty is a more exciting attacker than Quinlan, has things to work on but is still young and I will give him another year to see if he develops further.
Poor Quinlan was in a worse team and likely worse coach under Supecoach Price, but he did nothing when went to Wentworthville... and where is he now!. Quinlan never once won a game for us and never came on from his time in reserves. Time will tell with Dufty.

As I’ve said before, Dufty and Quinlan have almost identical skill sets although Adam is the better support/team player.

 

[Mr Red]

Merrin.....ever since we killed his career by making him an 80 minute lock instead of a 50 minute prop as he should have been.

Woods.
Hunt.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Merrin.....ever since we killed his career by making him an 80 minute lock instead of a 50 minute prop as he should have been.

Woods.
Hunt.

Don’t get me started on the ludicrous decision to move Merton from prop to lock.

WORST DECISION EVER!

 

[Crush]

As I’ve said before, Dufty and Quinlan have almost identical skill sets although Adam is the better support/team player.

James Boags and Victoria Bitter are almost identical although Victoria Bitter is a better quality beer at the end of the day.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

James Boags and Victoria Bitter are almost identical although Victoria Bitter is a better quality beer at the end of the day.

VB (aka Australia’s bogan beer) is mainly consumed by the underaged and/or low income blue collar workers.

Boag’s is marketed for those in a vastly different category to the above and is far far superior in every area from advertising to presentation.

There is no contest.

 

[BLM01]

As I’ve said before, Dufty and Quinlan have almost identical skill sets although Adam is the better support/team player.

You are right Quinlan was a better support player and had more years under his belt and the mens level. We agree to disagree but I will make my judgment giving Dufty more time.

 

[BLM01]

Check this out. Maybe ESL but Quinlan is doing fine under Sheens.
http://www.hullkr.co.uk/latest-news/

Good on him but as you said the ESL. Nothing against him he just did not quite make it over here but there are plenty in that boat.

 

[Drag Queen]

Good on him but as you said the ESL. Nothing against him he just did not quite make it over here but there are plenty in that boat.

 

[Frank Facer]

Why look for a marquee five-eighth when SGI already has one?

If you bothered to read the post I was replying to, then you would understand why I wrote what I did.

I was replying to Carlton saying "Your comment about moving Widdop to fullback and finding a marquee 5/8 is something I've thought may be a good option"

Maybe you should have directed your post to Carlton?

 

[Frank Facer]

Are you trying to imply Dufty's defence is OK? I'd say Warriors, Parramatta, Canterbury, Roosters for starters.

The comment wasn't just about his defence leading to losses it was also about the fact it makes it more difficult for the team.

No, I wasn't trying to imply that Dufty's defence is OK. I was replying to your post saying that Dufty's defence resulted in loses, so I just wanted you to say what games that Dufty's defence resulted in loses?

I don't think you can blame the loses to Parra, Canterbury and the Roosters on Dufty. We were beaten across the whole paddock in those games and then Dufty gets exposed at the back all by himself. Most fullbacks would have looked poor in those games.

 

[Drag Queen]

As I’ve said before, Dufty and Quinlan have almost identical skill sets although Adam is the better support/team player.

Absolutely. Quinny cleaned up 4 of the 6 trophies for Hull KR. Best player of the year, Player's player of the year, Member's player of the year, Best tackle of the year. With all the diabolical injuries Hull KR have endured this year, it's a miracle they remained contenders. 9 out of 13 players isn't great but they've managed to dig themselves out of a big hole.

VB (aka Australia’s bogan beer) is mainly consumed by the underaged and/or low income blue collar workers.

Boag’s is marketed for those in a vastly different category to the above and is far far superior in every area from advertising to presentation.

There is no contest.

Yes. Nailed it Jimmy. Boag's Premium is second to none. No hangover and zilch sugar. I wish I loved it less Xx

 

[Carlton]

No, I wasn't trying to imply that Dufty's defence is OK. I was replying to your post saying that Dufty's defence resulted in loses, so I just wanted you to say what games that Dufty's defence resulted in loses?

I don't think you can blame the loses to Parra, Canterbury and the Roosters on Dufty. We were beaten across the whole paddock in those games and then Dufty gets exposed at the back all by himself. Most fullbacks would have looked poor in those games.

So, if Dufty displays poor defence in a game we lose its the teams fault but if he does something good in attack in a game we win its all because of him. This is the problem with the support of Dufty, its not about winning or losing games, its about the skill set or lack of he should have as a first grade fullback.

If he's not up to first grade yet, dont give him more time, send him back to ISP to work on his weaknesses.

 

[Drag Queen]

So, if Dufty displays poor defence in a game we lose its the teams fault but if he does something good in attack in a game we win its all because of him. This is the problem with the support of Dufty, its not about winning or losing games, its about the skill set or lack of he should have as a first grade fullback.

If he's not up to first grade yet, dont give him more time, send him back to ISP to work on his weakne

 

[Drag Queen]

You are right Quinlan was a better support player and had more years under his belt and the mens level. We agree to disagree but I will make my judgment giving Dufty more time.

Good for you. I've seen enough to know we need a fully rounded fullback. We don't have one. Where to from here?? Bloody curious as this is a spine position.. Suggestions? I realise Lomax has been marked as a centre but his skills show he could be out FB. Mild observation re Possm's post. I tend to agree.

 

[Drag Queen]

You are right Quinlan was a better support player and had more years under his belt and the mens level. We agree to disagree but I will make my judgment giving Dufty more time.

Did Canberra finish in the top eight this year? In fact, when were the Raiders a realistic premiership threat?

I reckon circa 1995 sounds about right.

In all honesty they only lost by the smallest of margins in most games Jimmy.

 

[Crush]

VB (aka Australia’s bogan beer) is mainly consumed by the underaged and/or low income blue collar workers.

Boag’s is marketed for those in a vastly different category to the above and is far far superior in every area from advertising to presentation.

There is no contest.

Exactly, you have just made my point.
Your comparison of Dufty and Quinlan is ridiculous.

 

[BLM01]

You got something wrong in your summation though. Quinny was thrown into FG at the age of 20 and didn't come through the same ranks as Dufty. Tim Sheens brought him over to ESL to regain an ESL spot after being relegated to championship league. If you actually looked at his old reels at the age of 20 you would see he had pace and support play. Quinny is shorter than Dufty but is an instinctive player. IMO a far better player but there you go. He is contracted for three years. Let's see where Dufty ends up. Interesting times.

Yes but the difference with your summation Dufty scored good tries on debut. Yep as I said I will give Dufty time as I see more and huge potential. And I get you and few others on here dont.
No doubt as I said ad nauseum that things irked me with Dufty more so last half of last year which need to be addressed with good coaching and player combined. (my main worry was dying with the football instead of trying to burst through line and of course last line defence). Running across field looking for holes worked for him until teams worked him out and were ready. I believe we will see him improve on those things in 2019. Coaching staff have a role to play as well and have and will be partly to blame for his shortcomings at the Dragons if not coached out of him.

 

[BLM01]

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Good for you. I've seen enough to know we need a fully rounded fullback. We don't have one. Where to from here?? Bloody curious as this is a spine position.. Suggestions? I realise Lomax has been marked as a centre but his skills show he could be out FB. Mild observation re Possm's post. I tend to agree.

I will always strongly disagree with you and Possum re Lomax being a fullback. His build and running style and pace dont suit. He is an out and out centre and looks comfortable there. My suggestion is give Dufty time. (at least next year)
Yeh maybe Quinlan when younger instead of being thrown in / out needed more time to develop under a better coach but no other NRL coach saw the potential in him. If we let Dufty go now too early another NRL club will pick him up to our detriment.

 

[Drag Queen]

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I will always strongly disagree with you and Possum re Lomax being a fullback. His build and running style and pace dont suit. He is an out and out centre and looks comfortable there. My suggestion is give Dufty time. (at least next year)
Yeh maybe Quinlan when younger instead of being thrown in / out needed more time to develop under a better coach but no other NRL coach saw the potential in him. If we let Dufty go now too early another NRL club will pick him up to our detriment.

They can have him, but I don't see any other club banging down doors to have him.

Yes but the difference with your summation Dufty scored good tries on debut. Yep as I said I will give Dufty time as I see more and huge potential. And I get you and few others on here dont.
No doubt as I said ad nauseum that things irked me with Dufty more so last half of last year which need to be addressed with good coaching and player combined. (my main worry was dying with the football instead of trying to burst through line and of course last line defence). Running across field looking for holes worked for him until teams worked him out and were ready. I believe we will see him improve on those things in 2019. Coaching staff have a role to play as well and have and will be partly to blame for his shortcomings at the Dragons if not coached out of him.

Have to say it would only take other teams at least 30 minutes to have a target on him. Ad nauseum Quinny was treated much like Mann. Keep Dufty to our detriment as you will. He's had a full season and seems to have gone backwards. If we managed to score a top fullback would you still advocate that we keep him? Just curious.