Most overrated players?

[ALSGI]

All the Dufty haters on here are special.

Not as special as Duffman though, he’s young, already a game winner, still on the rise and will improve. Can’t wait to see him after another off season. He’s played 30 or so games straight now.

If Dugan was our FB (at twice the price) we’d need a back up for half a season and then someone to back him up. So Dugan would actually cost three times as much $$ and how many points?

Same with people saying Graham was not a good replacement for Packer. JG played every game, hits harder, inspired with linespeed and leadership.

I’m a big fan of LAM but those saying Korbin is a down grade are in for a surprise next year. He bends the line, plays the ball and scores points. Can’t wait to see Korbin with our pack next year.

 

[possm]

All the Dufty haters on here are special.

Not as special as Duffman though, he’s young, already a game winner, still on the rise and will improve. Can’t wait to see him after another off season. He’s played 30 or so games straight now.

If Dugan was our FB (at twice the price) we’d need a back up for half a season and then someone to back him up. So Dugan would actually cost three times as much $$ and how many points?

Same with people saying Graham was not a good replacement for Packer. JG played every game, hits harder, inspired with linespeed and leadership.

I’m a big fan of LAM but those saying Korbin is a down grade are in for a surprise next year. He bends the line, plays the ball and scores points. Can’t wait to see Korbin with our pack next year.

I'm not a Dufty hater, I just want pathways and coaching staff to discharge their duties in a more thorough and professional manner. Surely a player like Difty will raise excitement as he is moving through the junior ranks and surely these people know that defence and taking a high ball is a very important sill a fullback needs to make it in first grade. Well, where were these people in the past few years? Why didn't they develop Dufty's defensive skills and his positional play? Why wasn't Dufty taking high balls at every training run?

On the other hand, Lomax has all of these skills and they come naturally to him. I am dead sure he will eventually be our long term solution at fullback. Wait for it, I think that Dufty will be our long term solution at five-eighth when Widdop retires. By then hopefully he will have improved his defence, kicking game and beefed up a bit.

So it is not what everyone on here wants to here however, I say play Dufty at five-eithth in ISP along side Field at halfback. Play Lomax at fullback and buy a new right winger and right centre. Aitken to also spend time in ISP to re-skill for a suitable position.

Don't blame me for these harsh words, blame Millward, Mary and the rest of our coaching staff who have committed salary cap to players who are not ready for first grade.

We are currently in a short window period in which we have a decent chance to win a GF. All we need is a new head coach, with his own coaching staff and with Millward and his staff reporting directly to him.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Exactly, you have just made my point.
Your comparison of Dufty and Quinlan is ridiculous.

Where’s the “good one” button located?

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

You do realise that Quinny was coached by his old man right? His back up support and offloading is fairly impressive. I'll give accolades that he won 4 out of 6 trophies for his current club given that I've never seen a club suffer more injuries than Hull KR. He brought them back to ESL and is a humble type of player. Our club needs an in and out strong FB. Dufty was the weakness in our spine. You only need to look at the reels of past games.

In all honesty they only lost by the smallest of margins in most games Jimmy.

That doesn’t answer my question, and I’d strongly argue that McInnes is actually the weakest point of the Dragons’ spine.

At least Dufty runs.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Absolutely. Quinny cleaned up 4 of the 6 trophies for Hull KR. Best player of the year, Player's player of the year, Member's player of the year, Best tackle of the year. With all the diabolical injuries Hull KR have endured this year, it's a miracle they remained contenders. 9 out of 13 players isn't great but they've managed to dig themselves out of a big hole.

Yes. Nailed it Jimmy. Boag's Premium is second to none. No hangover and zilch sugar. I wish I loved it less Xx

You do sound awfully like me.

 

[ALSGI]

I'm not a Dufty hater, I just want pathways and coaching staff to discharge their duties in a more thorough and professional manner. Surely a player like Difty will raise excitement as he is moving through the junior ranks and surely these people know that defence and taking a high ball is a very important sill a fullback needs to make it in first grade. Well, where were these people in the past few years? Why didn't they develop Dufty's defensive skills and his positional play? Why wasn't Dufty taking high balls at every training run?

On the other hand, Lomax has all of these skills and they come naturally to him. I am dead sure he will eventually be our long term solution at fullback. Wait for it, I think that Dufty will be our long term solution at five-eighth when Widdop retires. By then hopefully he will have improved his defence, kicking game and beefed up a bit.

So it is not what everyone on here wants to here however, I say play Dufty at five-eithth in ISP along side Field at halfback. Play Lomax at fullback and buy a new right winger and right centre. Aitken to also spend time in ISP to re-skill for a suitable position.

Don't blame me for these harsh words, blame Millward, Mary and the rest of our coaching staff who have committed salary cap to players who are not ready for first grade.

We are currently in a short window period in which we have a decent chance to win a GF. All we need is a new head coach, with his own coaching staff and with Millward and his staff reporting directly to him.

Lol, you’re not a Dufty hater but you suggest our best attacker is dropped to ISP to reskill as a 6, and move Lomax from Centre where he looked very promising in big games.

Love your passion mate and your thinking outside the square but you lost me again when you talked about salary, because outside of management nobody knows how much has been paid or committed, unless somebody like Milward makes a statement as he did with Hunt’s $1m a season - “it’s no where near that”. Just a guess but I reckon he’d be on similar coin to Widdop, closer to 700k-800k over 5/6 years which would be enough to sign most players up. Even Widdop was only extended for 4 years.

Also, people saying we’re in a ‘short’ window period are wrong I hope. I’d prefer to think we’re in a period that will be maintained for many years with the right management, recruitment etc.

The very fact that you say we are currently in a short window period is acknowledgment that the club’s recruitment is good yet you constantly bag Milward.

 

[Crush]

Lol, you’re not a Dufty hater but you suggest our best attacker is dropped to ISP to reskill as a 6, and move Lomax from Centre where he looked very promising in big games.

Love your passion mate and your thinking outside the square but you lost me again when you talked about salary, because outside of management nobody knows how much has been paid or committed, unless somebody like Milward makes a statement as he did with Hunt’s $1m a season - “it’s no where near that”. Just a guess but I reckon he’d be on similar coin to Widdop, closer to 700k-800k over 5/6 years which would be enough to sign most players up. Even Widdop was only extended for 4 years.

Also, people saying we’re in a ‘short’ window period are wrong I hope. I’d prefer to think we’re in a period that will be maintained for many years with the right management, recruitment etc.

The very fact that you say we are currently in a short window period is acknowledgment that the club’s recruitment is good yet you constantly bag Milward.

I thought the same thing, saying we have the team to win a comp in one breath yet in other threads bagging Millward and saying its a mess.

 

[Drag Queen]

You do sound awfully like me.

Do we? Not so sure. I agree with you sometimes and sometimes I don't. There you go.

 

[Drag Queen]

That doesn’t answer my question, and I’d strongly argue that McInnes is actually the weakest point of the Dragons’ spine.

At least Dufty runs.

Um yes. About McInnes.... He gets a pass. 72 virgins will not save Dufty.

 

[BLM01]

They can have him, but I don't see any other club banging down doors to have him.

Have to say it would only take other teams at least 30 minutes to have a target on him. Ad nauseum Quinny was treated much like Mann. Keep Dufty to our detriment as you will. He's had a full season and seems to have gone backwards. If we managed to score a top fullback would you still advocate that we keep him? Just curious.

The fact that we wont score a better fullback as all unavailable and happy to keep him next year and give him time to improve on weaknessess. He only went backwards in the latter half of the year as did his team. Goes hand in hand

 

[Drag Queen]

The fact that we wont score a better fullback as all unavailable and happy to keep him next year and give him time to improve on weaknessess. He only went backwards in the latter half of the year as did his team. Goes hand in hand

Hmm, As long as you're happy with that.

 

[possm]

Lol, you’re not a Dufty hater but you suggest our best attacker is dropped to ISP to reskill as a 6, and move Lomax from Centre where he looked very promising in big games.

Love your passion mate and your thinking outside the square but you lost me again when you talked about salary, because outside of management nobody knows how much has been paid or committed, unless somebody like Milward makes a statement as he did with Hunt’s $1m a season - “it’s no where near that”. Just a guess but I reckon he’d be on similar coin to Widdop, closer to 700k-800k over 5/6 years which would be enough to sign most players up. Even Widdop was only extended for 4 years.

Also, people saying we’re in a ‘short’ window period are wrong I hope. I’d prefer to think we’re in a period that will be maintained for many years with the right management, recruitment etc.

The very fact that you say we are currently in a short window period is acknowledgment that the club’s recruitment is good yet you constantly bag Milward.

I like you posts ALSGI and do not profess to have inside knowledge. I make assumptions on things I see and hear.

I agree with you, Dufty is our best attacking weapon when he slots into the groove and steps through the defence with speed and elusiveness. He has great skills in this area. But right now his skills in defence, positional play and taking a high ball need further development. On occasions this season he has let himself and the team down.

Lomax is a very talented young player. He would go well on the right wing, right centre and fullback. At this point in time he is bigger and stronger than Dufty and is a much better defender and taker of the high ball. Lomax is the type of player that seems to make sense to select at fullback. He reminds me of a young Langlands who indeed played centre / fullback.

Over time I have seen how difficult it is to hold onto good players. Our outstanding forwards, Vaughan, Sims, Frizell and De Belin will surely be sort by other clubs towards the end of their current contracts. In addition players like Leilua and Lawrie will more increasingly improve and win attention as well. With one more additional prop, we already have the pack to win a competition so we need to TRY to WIN rather than try to end up in the 8.

As far as salary cap goes no one really knows the exact situation but simple observations:
Players lost Dugan/Packer/Thompson
Players gained Hunt/Pereira/Graham
2m cap increase for 2018
Players extended, upgraded before Nov 2018

Tells me there should be enough cap left to buy a top grade prop prior to Jun 30, 2018.

 

[BLM01]

Hmm, As long as you're happy with that.

he'll either prove us both and others wrong or right and name me a better fullback available on the market to take his spot.

 

[Drag Queen]

he'll either prove us both and others wrong or right and name me a better fullback available on the market to take his spot.

I think we may have the next FB in our ranks. Don't waste Lomax on the centre or wing. Put him in as FB because he'll adapt. Next:... Find a coach that'll get him there.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

All the Dufty haters on here are special.

Not as special as Duffman though, he’s young, already a game winner, still on the rise and will improve. Can’t wait to see him after another off season. He’s played 30 or so games straight now.

If Dugan was our FB (at twice the price) we’d need a back up for half a season and then someone to back him up. So Dugan would actually cost three times as much $$ and how many points?

Same with people saying Graham was not a good replacement for Packer. JG played every game, hits harder, inspired with linespeed and leadership.

I’m a big fan of LAM but those saying Korbin is a down grade are in for a surprise next year. He bends the line, plays the ball and scores points. Can’t wait to see Korbin with our pack next year.

I believe if Dugan had stayed, he would’ve played right centre in lieu of Aitken at some point. Bear in mind, he was quoted in the media that he was content with this particular change.

As for Graham vs Packer, the latter will still play for a few years after the former has retired. No doubt Graham is a terrific leader though.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Do we? Not so sure. I agree with you sometimes and sometimes I don't. There you go.

Things would be quite boring if we all agreed with each other.

 

[Frank Facer]

I believe if Dugan had stayed, he would’ve played right centre in lieu of Aitken at some point. Bear in mind, he was quoted in the media that he was content with this particular change.

As for Graham vs Packer, the latter will still play for a few years after the former has retired. No doubt Graham is a terrific leader though.

So you do think we should have payed Dugan at least 700K a year to play half a season at centre for us. I think Millward did the right thing.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

So you do think we should have payed Dugan at least 700K a year to play half a season at centre for us. I think Millward did the right thing.

I don’t believe Dugan requested that kind of remuneration nor do I feel the club offered that kind of stipend at ANY stage.

 

[Como Connection]

I don’t believe Dugan requested that kind of remuneration nor do I feel the club offered that kind of stipend at ANY stage.

Correct
He wanted more.
CC

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Correct
He wanted more.
CC

I disagree.