My Favourite Album

[Ron Jeremy]

Yep, it's 1984 right?

I agree with you on the one sh*t song being played all the time.

But Hrundi, how do you "grow out" of music.

Good music doesn't suddenly become sh*t music because of age.

Give me Zep over Coldplay any day

GAME SET MATCH

Good music never dies, just look at the Beatles, Sabbath, Led Zepplin.

BTW

Hrundi, i understand what you're saying. But my point it's just a real shame that people place the likes of Anthony Callea alot higher then greats of Rock n' Roll! and bands that redefined how music sounds.

Do you agree?

 

[Ron Jeremy]

lol ron, you black out living ends first album? awesome cd, and good guiatar playing, hell it sold well as well.

The clash - london calling, great album

Pistols - never mind the bollocks - change the music scene forever
Ben folds five - excellent music also.

Agreed with whoever said fresh fruit should have made it, one of the best punk cd's of all time.

The first Living End album is better then all the Pistols, Ramones sh*t put together. There is obvious raw talent there.

The Clash, fair enough. Never really liked them, but did have some good tunes.

Pistols changed teh music scene forever? believe me it wasn't for best. People now don't have standards on instruments and singing ability, they gave people with no real raw abilities the power to influence others, this inturned produced a whole generation of averge musicians.

Punk will eventually fade out in time, music goes around in cycles. All it takes is for one world wide hit from a band like Gunners etc, and the world will be following the rock genre again.

 

[sydraider]

If Gunners aka Axl Pose get a hit out of the latest stuff he been sprouting (which is almost 6 years old anyways) I'll be very surprised.

If he was to reform the band with Slash and Duff and co however......

 

[Eskimo Sharkie]

The first Living End album is better then all the Pistols, Ramones sh*t put together. There is obvious raw talent there.

The Clash, fair enough. Never really liked them, but did have some good tunes.

Pistols changed teh music scene forever? believe me it wasn't for best. People now don't have standards on instruments and singing ability, they gave people with no real raw abilities the power to influence others, this inturned produced a whole generation of averge musicians.

Punk will eventually fade out in time, music goes around in cycles. All it takes is for one world wide hit from a band like Gunners etc, and the world will be following the rock genre again.

What about the Stranglers? Everyone who talks punk thinks of the Sex Pistols, but the Stranglers were around before and well after the Sex Pistols. The Stranglers actually have talent and haven't had to rely on the marketing prowess of their manager.

 

[HevyDevy]

Because who people who like it, i.e. - ME! vote for it. It was my first Chili Peppers album because I only got in to them when I was 17 or so and that was in the late 90's, that's when I became a fan.

Have you even heard the album properly? Or do you just have a dismissive opinion of it based on one listen. Only the opinions of those who have listened to an album several to many times are relevant here.

Why do you think it shouldn't be on the list? The songs sound good and the lyrics have meaning to me - Californication about hollywood imperialism and Easily about 'giving up material things' also some tracks are just funkin' fun like 'Purple Stain'.

Its my most listened to album of all time!

I own all of their albums and it is blatantly obvious to me that over time they've evolved from original band with energy and originality to a dull, insipid, repetitive pop-rock band where every song sounds very, very similar.

That's not to say that Californication is a bad album, but I wouldn't have more than one RHCP album on a list of all time best albums and it would have to be BSSM.

I do have a soft spot for One Hot Minute though.

By the way, Living Colour are far better than The Living End!!! :crazy:

 

[hrundi99]

But Hrundi, how do you "grow out" of music.

Very easily.

Your tastes change or "mature", and you move on to other things. The core stuff which I will always love, like the Beatles, etc, will always be there, but the stuff at the edges changes.

The first record I ever bought was "Antmusic", and though I loved it at the time, I can't say I've listended to it muc hin the last 20 years...

I was into the Madchester scene at the time, but now I rarely listen to any of it.

Without knocking you, it's fairly obvious your tastes haven't changed for 20 years.

Good music doesn't suddenly become sh*t music because of age.

Give me Zep over Coldplay any day

It doesn't suddenly become sh*t music, but your tastes change.

I can appreciate jazz now whereas 20 years ago I couldn't, for example.

 

[hrundi99]

Hrundi, i understand what you're saying. But my point it's just a real shame that people place the likes of Anthony Callea alot higher then greats of Rock n' Roll! and bands that redefined how music sounds.

Any list like this is also "of the moment", so anyone who is popular amongst the type of demographic who would put in an entry is going to be represented.

If you did it ten years ago, the Spice Girls probably would have featured.

With that in mind, I think it's quite satisfying that the likes of Pink Floyd and the Beatles are still represented at the pointy end.

People picking Anthony Callea now will either have lame taste in music for the rest of their lives, or they will grow up and get interested in more sophisticated music.

 

[Samwise]

The Pixies — Doolittle

Sacrilige!!! This album needs to be higher up the list if anything.

 

[HevyDevy]

Without knocking you, it's fairly obvious your tastes haven't changed for 20 years.



It doesn't suddenly become sh*t music, but your tastes change.

Quite the contrary - they've changed dramatically. I just still happen to enjoy the good music I used to enjoy.

Having said that I haven't listened to VH for about a year but when I do have my moments of reflection it reminds me just how good they were.

Now I've moved into metal and jazz as my preferred listening options but I wouldn't say I've "grown out" of anything (except some of the sh*t I listened to when I was 10).

 

[Foz]

I like a lot of the Greatest Hits albums.
Beatles,Beach Boys,Stones,Eagles etc. but also lesser lights like The Cars,Cat Stevens,America(History),Poco and Van Morrison.
Hell even like Hot August Night by Neil Diamond.
Generally can find a song I like on someones greatest hits.

 

[Red Bear]

The first Living End album is better then all the Pistols, Ramones sh*t put together. There is obvious raw talent there.

The Clash, fair enough. Never really liked them, but did have some good tunes.

Pistols changed teh music scene forever? believe me it wasn't for best. People now don't have standards on instruments and singing ability, they gave people with no real raw abilities the power to influence others, this inturned produced a whole generation of averge musicians.

Punk will eventually fade out in time, music goes around in cycles. All it takes is for one world wide hit from a band like Gunners etc, and the world will be following the rock genre again.

Hair metal lasted what, 10 years? 15 tops

Punk rock is still going strong after more than 30 years.

Pistols manager was a prick but there are some decent tunes in there, sure sid really could not play(and got dicked around majorly by malcolm) but they had some good solid tunes and certainly changed the way music was played.

The stranglers were aorund before the pistols, as were ramones i believe (an the saints?). However pistols brought punk rock to the fore.

Everyone should see the filth and the fury, excellent documentry whether you like the band or not.

 

[sydraider]

Hair metal lasted what, 10 years? 15 tops

Punk rock is still going strong after more than 30 years.

Pistols manager was a prick but there are some decent tunes in there, sure sid really could not play(and got dicked around majorly by malcolm) but they had some good solid tunes and certainly changed the way music was played.

The stranglers were aorund before the pistols, as were ramones i believe (an the saints?). However pistols brought punk rock to the fore.

Everyone should see the filth and the fury, excellent documentry whether you like the band or not.

Quite clever stating "Hair Metal", from what you say it is a fair assumption. What some people dont understand is that Metal itself is just as much a community as it is a genre. Metal fans, well true metal fans anyways, never really deviate from the music or the culture that it has, I might be daring in saying that Punk does not have this community.
Metal has endured through some tough times, it still prevails and will always be quite predominate. What reincarnated punk was bands like blink 182, now bands like this and green day etc could be compared to the so called "Hair Metal"that you refer to.

Maybe a band like Poison or Motley Crue for example, wore make-up but there is no way in hell that they would sprout the lyrics "Yeah my girlfriend, takes me home when i'm too drunk too drive"

Now you might attack me saying that the likes of blink 182 are a mainstream form of punk that you do not endorse, think about that when they are representing you on the world punk stage and yet you have the time to lambast "Hair Metal"

 

[Red Bear]

Quite clever stating "Hair Metal", from what you say it is a fair assumption. What some people dont understand is that Metal itself is just as much a community as it is a genre. Metal fans, well true metal fans anyways, never really deviate from the music or the culture that it has, I might be daring in saying that Punk does not have this community.
Metal has endured through some tough times, it still prevails and will always be quite predominate. What reincarnated punk was bands like blink 182, now bands like this and green day etc could be compared to the so called "Hair Metal"that you refer to.

Maybe a band like Poison or Motley Crue for example, wore make-up but there is no way in hell that they would sprout the lyrics "Yeah my girlfriend, takes me home when i'm too drunk too drive"

Now you might attack me saying that the likes of blink 182 are a mainstream form of punk that you do not endorse, think about that when they are representing you on the world punk stage and yet you have the time to lambast "Hair Metal"

I dont doubt metal still exist, hell i dont mind some metal(well metallica are awesome as are iron maiden). However hair metal, which ron seems to love eg ratt, thats stuff is long gone.

There is certainly a punk community around tho, and dare i say it they would hate to be represented by alot of the mainstream punk pop acts eg blink, green day etc. There are also many subcultures in this movement(some good some sh*thouse eg emo). Punk also takes in a wide variety of styles, eg your early british punk(pistols clash etc), us hardcore(black flag, minor threat) and on to the modern day hardcore(which is more screaming and less good, closer to metal). I personally only enjoy a certain type of punk, mainly the 70's/80's bands as well as some modern day bands, alot who started in the 80's eg bad religion, nofx etc etc. Punk has also been infused with various ska and celtic music. Celtic punk friggen rules.

Anyway this was more of a disconnected rant but my point is that a) punk definately has a community, b) glam rock/hair metal that ron loves has been well n truely outlasted by punk rock.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Agree with Sydraider. Metal has been around since what? Led Zepplin?.....it has just transfomred anmd sprouted different elements of metal.

Punk would be the same. True punk artists were The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Generation X....now they have transformed into Blink 182, Greenday, Rancid etc.

Metal today would be a combination of Nickleback, Slipknot and the Darkness....would i be correct?

 

[Eskimo Sharkie]

Nickelback are sh*te.

 

[HevyDevy]

Agree with Sydraider. Metal has been around since what? Led Zepplin?.....it has just transfomred anmd sprouted different elements of metal.

Punk would be the same. True punk artists were The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Generation X....now they have transformed into Blink 182, Greenday, Rancid etc.

Metal today would be a combination of Nickleback, Slipknot and the Darkness....would i be correct?

None of those three are metal Ron.

Many would argue that Slipknot are but I just consider them to be a bunch of useless idiots trying to sound as scary or noisy as possible without actually achieving anything. Nickleback and The darkness are DEFINITELY not metal.

Incidentally, I used to think silverchair owned the worst ever song lyrics but that title must go to Slipknot in the song Heretic Anthem. "If you're 5-5-5 then I'm 6-6-6, what's it like to be a Heretic".

What!!!?? Is that another lame effort by a band to sound satanic by throwing in 6-6-6? sh*t band.

Anyway, back on topic, Green Day, The Living End etc can't be called punk either can they? What have they got in common with real punk? Nothing at all. At most they could be referred to as modern punk. They place alongside nu-metal such as Limp Bizkit and Crazytown which isn't metal at all but for some reason has the word in their genre title.

 

[pantherz9103]

I own all of their albums and it is blatantly obvious to me that over time they've evolved from original band with energy and originality to a dull, insipid, repetitive pop-rock band where every song sounds very, very similar.

That's not to say that Californication is a bad album, but I wouldn't have more than one RHCP album on a list of all time best albums and it would have to be BSSM.

I do have a soft spot for One Hot Minute though.

By the way, Living Colour are far better than The Living End!!! :crazy:

As I said opinions are influenced by when we first became interested and for me with RHCP it was with Californication in the late 90's. The variety on that album was pretty good in imo but yes the classic Chili Peppers is more to be heard to BSSM, which I bought later than Californication in part to my young age and changing taste in music over time.

One Hot Minute is underrated. 'Shallow Be Thy Game' is a standout track, having a go at the Catholic Church.

I'm not really a Living End fan anymore but I did buy and enjoy their first album.

 

[Red Bear]

None of those three are metal Ron.

Many would argue that Slipknot are but I just consider them to be a bunch of useless idiots trying to sound as scary or noisy as possible without actually achieving anything. Nickleback and The darkness are DEFINITELY not metal.

Incidentally, I used to think silverchair owned the worst ever song lyrics but that title must go to Slipknot in the song Heretic Anthem. "If you're 5-5-5 then I'm 6-6-6, what's it like to be a Heretic".

What!!!?? Is that another lame effort by a band to sound satanic by throwing in 6-6-6? sh*t band.

Anyway, back on topic, Green Day, The Living End etc can't be called punk either can they? What have they got in common with real punk? Nothing at all. At most they could be referred to as modern punk. They place alongside nu-metal such as Limp Bizkit and Crazytown which isn't metal at all but for some reason has the word in their genre title.

Early living end was definately punk/rockabilly, and sounded f**king great. That pretty much ended after their first album but they still have released some decent stuff since then.

Green day arent punk.

 

[LESStar58]

By the way, Living Colour are far better than The Living End!!! :crazy:

I couldn't possibly split em! 2 of my fav guitarists in those bands!