Nathan Brown guides St Helens to GF

[saint16]

Yeah he is over qualified for saints, we only want rookies so that when we lose most games the club can just keep saying that the coach is a working progress, f**k I hate the merkins running our club

I am with you on this one rainman I feel your frustration.

 

[bottle]

Assistant to Toovey is ok.
He was never going to get an assistant's role here. Too high profile to be an assistant to Mary. Too much of a threat.
He is unlikely to get the primary gig at Manly unless Tooves drops them out of the 8 disastrously. That leaves him positioned where he needs to be to take over if and when a coach gets sacked. It's now just a matter of whether the role is one he wants. He will probably be fielding offers part way through next year for head coaching roles.
What remains to be seen is if we are one of the offerers. If Mary stinks it up, would the club look to make a move so soon and incur the cost of paying out 2.5 years worth of contract? I doubt it given our financial situation, but who knows. Would there be third party money forthcoming for Brown to supplement an offer, like there apparently was for Bennett? Is he considered high profile enough for that now?

Interesting times.

 

[Get2dachopper!]

Assistant to Toovey is ok.
He was never going to get an assistant's role here. Too high profile to be an assistant to Mary. Too much of a threat.
He is unlikely to get the primary gig at Manly unless Tooves drops them out of the 8 disastrously. That leaves him positioned where he needs to be to take over if and when a coach gets sacked. It's now just a matter of whether the role is one he wants. He will probably be fielding offers part way through next year for head coaching roles.
What remains to be seen is if we are one of the offerers. If Mary stinks it up, would the club look to make a move so soon and incur the cost of paying out 2.5 years worth of contract? I doubt it given our financial situation, but who knows. Would there be third party money forthcoming for Brown to supplement an offer, like there apparently was for Bennett? Is he considered high profile enough for that now?

Interesting times.

Yes to your questions. There is a 'Brian Smithness' to Nathan Brown', only difference is he has won something now in the esl, smith couldn't. Brown is the ideal candidate to re-build our club to be competitive again, especially with someone like mulholland by his side.

I'd have him on par with Robinson and McGuire when they were first brought over to their respective clubs prior to winning their comps.
Only difference is brown (41) has been coaching since 2003. McGuire (40) since 2010, Robinson (37) since 2011.

 

[possm]

It seems to me that our Club management gives consideration to everything other thant their prime reponsibility; act in the best interest of the Club. It is without doubt that Brown would be a better choice out of Mary and Brown at this stage in our Club's development.

 

[giboz71]

It seems to me that our Club management gives consideration to everything other thant their prime reponsibility; act in the best interest of the Club. It is without doubt that Brown would be a better choice out of Mary and Brown at this stage in our Club's development.

Brown's decision to come back to Australia was quite sudden.

I wonder if the Board knew of his plans before they appointed Mary. If they did, surely he would have been considered? (I'm giving the Board the benefit of the doubt here).

Assuming the rumour that he didn't want the job isn't true (this has never been proven), I agree he would have been a much better bet than Mary.

 

[bottle]

Brown's decision to come back to Australia was quite sudden.

I wonder if the Board knew of his plans before they appointed Mary. If they did, surely he would have been considered? (I'm giving the Board the benefit of the doubt here).

Assuming the rumour that he didn't want the job isn't true (this has never been proven), I agree he would have been a much better bet than Mary.

Rumour doing the rounds on the forums is that Doust wanted Brown but the Board went for Mary.
Take that as you will because I have no way of knowing the truth or falsehood in it. It's just what I've read around the traps.

 

[rainman44]

Rumour doing the rounds on the forums is that Doust wanted Brown but the Board went for Mary.
Take that as you will because I have no way of knowing the truth or falsehood in it. It's just what I've read around the traps.

It tells you more about our board, how they have no idea about decision making.

 

[giboz71]

It tells you more about our board, how they have no idea about decision making.

Agreed. Given the last two premiership winning coaches have come from ESL, I would have thought that Brown would have had better credentials than a rookie with zero NRL experience. Baffles me how he wasn't considered, especially given his strong ties to the club.

Seems a strange decision, but as has been stated, clearly other factors at play.

 

[grouch]

Board member Sean O'Connor publically stated that Paul McGregor was a better option than Wayne freaking Bennett ffs. Brown had no hope. We have no hope.

 

[big pat]

Board member Sean O'Connor publically stated that Paul McGregor was a better option than Wayne freaking Bennett ffs. Brown had no hope. We have no hope.

not even st jude could help us.

 

[Efresh]

He's a great choice for Manly. They are about to require a major rebuild for the first time since the major one after their JV dissolved. With Browny to help or take over if Toovey gets it wrong, they have a great insurance policy.

Don't worry, we apparently went through a full and fair process before selecting Mary.

 

[BennyV]

Board member Sean O'Connor publically stated that Paul McGregor was a better option than Wayne freaking Bennett ffs. Brown had no hope. We have no hope.

Grouch, dont you know that it was in the media, therefore y9u shouldn't believe it :sarcasm:

 

[possm]

Has Brown signed with Manly?

Has Cartwright signed with the Dragons?

I have seen no announcements for these two signings so maybe there is still a chance Brown will be witht he Dragons as assistant coach.

 

[RedVDragon]

Just get over your FETISH with Brown. He had a great team with no silver wear in the cupboard. He win a "B" grade grand final and all of a sudden he is a super coach and lord our saviour.

I ask you one question. Are you one of the supporters who banded around "DOWN BROWN" if so I rest my case.

 

[rainman44]

Just get over your FETISH with Brown. He had a great team with no silver wear in the cupboard. He win a "B" grade grand final and all of a sudden he is a super coach and lord our saviour.

I ask you one question. Are you one of the supporters who banded around "DOWN BROWN" if so I rest my case.

That was not his fault, he was too young to manage the players but I don't think that would be the case now, smart coach with a good eye for talent.

 

[possm]

Just get over your FETISH with Brown. He had a great team with no silver wear in the cupboard. He win a "B" grade grand final and all of a sudden he is a super coach and lord our saviour.

I ask you one question. Are you one of the supporters who banded around "DOWN BROWN" if so I rest my case.

What a resonse!

I have the opinion that Brown is a more experienced coach than Mary. He has a good coaching history in Super League and his Dragon sides were well balanced and competitive when he was in charge. On the other hand Mary has no coaching history to speak of. I do note that the Board did not consider him to be an option after Bennett and in fact was not even good enough at the time to be assistant Coach. At the beginning of 2013, the Board considered Mary to be second best to Price (possibly the worst coach after Graig Young in our histroy).

Mary is not to blame in this whole affair. The Board and the management staff apponted by the Board should take reesponsibility for the mess we are in however, a line should be drawn, the Board needs to be held accountable and future signings of staff and players should be the best available within reason.

Our problems will not be solved by contining with this mad idea of employing Mary as head Coach who clearly has lost the confidence of some of our senior players before seasons start. Brown is the better man in so many ways and should at least be there as assistant coach in the likely event that Mary fails.

I always admired Brown as a player and as a coach. I is a shame he could not have been Bennett's assistant coach and then Bennett's replacement; I thin he would have grown significantly under Bennett's guidance. Brown instead did the hard yards in Super League and for his effort, he guided Saints to a victory in 2014.

I have no doubt Brown is the better choice and he is available. To my knowledge niether Brown or Cartwright have signed and so, I feel it is the Board's responsibility to select the better coach- even if it means paying Mary out.

 

[FlameThrower]

This Nathan Brown curve ball, is confusing, I'm starting to get the feeling there is bad blood and he does not want to come back to the Dragons.

 

[rainman44]

This Nathan Brown curve ball, is confusing, I'm starting to get the feeling there is bad blood and he does not want to come back to the Dragons.

Between Mary and Brown yes but not the club. Mary use to play games when Brown was the coach and wanted to be the coach back then and it's all his now.

 

[possm]

Between Mary and Brown yes but not the club. Mary use to play games when Brown was the coach and wanted to be the coach back then and it's all his now.

I'd like to see the Club reverse their decision on our head coach. Offer Mary the assistants job, Cutter's job or pay him out.

I say appoint Brown as head coach on a 3 year deal before someone else grabs him.

 

[bottle]

Looking at Brown through 2008 eyes is a little misleading. How many of us would feel that we've changed/matured/improved after 6 years of professional growth?
The last two NRL Premiership winning coaches have the pedigree that Brown now has. Make excuses for his win all you like, this isn't the first side he has gotten to a lofty position in his time in the ESL.
There is little doubt that his resume reads much more strongly than McGregor's at this point in time.
It's all moot, sure, for now. His presence back in Australia will keep McGregor on his toes.
I hope that McGregor does exceptionally well, because I always want success for Saints.
However if he doesn't, I hope Brown is still in the mix in terms of availability.