Nathan Hindmarsh dismisses retirement talk

[Poupou Escobar]

It's called lock. Get over it. He wears number 13.

Hindy doesn't wear 13. And he doesn't pack at the back of scrums either.

Neither does Jeremy Smith or Anthony Watmough.

In fact, even the central back-rowers who wear 13 don't 'lock' scrums any more.

You're over-complicating things. No one calls anything central back-row.

I'd be happy to call it 'lock' (it's easier to say) but unfortunately when you say lock, a lot of people still think jersey 13 (he can wear whatever number he wants - e.g. Hindmarsh), attacking and defending wider than the other forwards (when in fact he is in the middle of the field with the props and hooker), and packing scrums at the back (I've already explained who packs at the back of modern scrums).

This is why Sterlo, when talking about Tony Williams' rise this year described him as having "pushed Anthony Watmough from the left into the middle" in Hasler's team selection. Sterlo didn't say Williams' form at 'second row' had forced Watmough to shift to 'lock', because dummies like you would go "f**k Sterlo! Everybody can see Glenn Stewart is Manly's lock!!!" just because Stewart happens to wear number 13.

Williams and Stewart = edge forwards

Watmough = central back-row (but I'm happy for others to call it lock - just be aware that the term 'lock' carries some baggage that no longer applies to the position.)

Teams are set up how they want to be.

Yep. And they're all set up they way I've described.

 

[Eels Dude]

Hindy has been playing '13' way back since 2009 at least. DA even commented at the time that Hindy is his number 13 but he doesn't want to wear the jersey because he finds the number unlucky and prefers his 11 which he's been wearing most of his career. It's pretty redundant these days when players wear the jersey they're picked in on Tuesday no matter what position they're playing.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hindy's been playing in the middle since about 2004.

 

[Eels Dude]

He may have been playing in the central position since 2004 sometimes. But he definately has played on the edges, the left mostly until a few years ago. Since around 2008 or so he's been playing central backrow only, but prior to that he'd defend in the middle but in most attacking positions he'd play out wide.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You may be right.

To be honest, I never actually watch the games. I just repeat what my mate at work tells me.

 

[strider]

:lol: :lol:

 

[Springs]

Hindy doesn't wear 13. And he doesn't pack at the back of scrums either.

Neither does Jeremy Smith or Anthony Watmough.

In fact, even the central back-rowers who wear 13 don't 'lock' scrums any more.



I'd be happy to call it 'lock' (it's easier to say) but unfortunately when you say lock, a lot of people still think jersey 13 (he can wear whatever number he wants - e.g. Hindmarsh), attacking and defending wider than the other forwards (when in fact he is in the middle of the field with the props and hooker), and packing scrums at the back (I've already explained who packs at the back of modern scrums).

This is why Sterlo, when talking about Tony Williams' rise this year described him as having "pushed Anthony Watmough from the left into the middle" in Hasler's team selection. Sterlo didn't say Williams' form at 'second row' had forced Watmough to shift to 'lock', because dummies like you would go "f**k Sterlo! Everybody can see Glenn Stewart is Manly's lock!!!" just because Stewart happens to wear number 13.

Williams and Stewart = edge forwards

Watmough = central back-row (but I'm happy for others to call it lock - just be aware that the term 'lock' carries some baggage that no longer applies to the position.)



Yep. And they're all set up they way I've described.

He still plays lock. Anderson said Hindmarsh was playing lock and only wears 11 because that's his number and he always wears it. Hindmarsh wore 13 when he last played for Australia as well.

It's always been called lock and always will be. Doesn't matter if they pack in at the back of the scrum or not. A position can have many different variables they do not have to be confined to the middle or edge like you think they do. When coaches/players talk about playing lock or second row, they call it lock or second row.

Stewart is Manly's lock not because he plays in the middle but because he has a playmaking game as well. Something many locks of the past had. A lock like Johnson or Fensom won't just stay in the middle they follow the play around making shitloads of tackles. While say Bird is a lock that has a great playmaking game as well as a great running game.

Hindmarsh won't just stay in the middle he will pop up wherever he is needed.

 

[Gronk]

He still plays lock. Anderson said Hindmarsh was playing lock and only wears 11 because that's his number and he always wears it. Hindmarsh wore 13 when he last played for Australia as well.

It's always been called lock and always will be. Doesn't matter if they pack in at the back of the scrum or not. A position can have many different variables they do not have to be confined to the middle or edge like you think they do. When coaches/players talk about playing lock or second row, they call it lock or second row.

Stewart is Manly's lock not because he plays in the middle but because he has a playmaking game as well. Something many locks of the past had. A lock like Johnson or Fensom won't just stay in the middle they follow the play around making shitloads of tackles. While say Bird is a lock that has a great playmaking game as well as a great running game.

Hindmarsh won't just stay in the middle he will pop up wherever he is needed.

Yep I recall Ando actually saying that Hindy won't wear the 13 number because of superstitions.

 

[born an eel]

you could also call Hindy a lock with his cover defense

 

[Craig Johnston]

And like Preston at the titans and Hasem at the dogs previously, Hindy is worth offering an exceedingly generous contract purely on the basis of what he brings to the club outside of footy. And if it doesn't take mach of the cap, all the better

ironic username given the flipside of this is the impact of carrying a non effective player purely based on sentiment.

i'm just playing devils advocate here, i think hindy still has heaps to contribute on the field, but i found that ironic

 

[Gronk]

I hope they build a Hindy statue when he retires. I'm thinking it could double as a bike rack.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He still plays lock. Anderson said Hindmarsh was playing lock and only wears 11 because that's his number and he always wears it. Hindmarsh wore 13 when he last played for Australia as well.

You're right.

It's always been called lock and always will be. Doesn't matter if they pack in at the back of the scrum or not. A position can have many different variables they do not have to be confined to the middle or edge like you think they do. When coaches/players talk about playing lock or second row, they call it lock or second row.

And now you're wrong.

Stewart is Manly's lock not because he plays in the middle but because he has a playmaking game as well.

He isn't Manly's lock at all. He is their right hand edge forward (second row) - in both atack and defence.

Something many locks of the past had.

Many edge forwards today are still quality playmakers - look at Feleti Mateo (an edge forward whether he wears 11, 12, 13 or 14 - 17).

A lock like Johnson or Fensom won't just stay in the middle they follow the play around making shitloads of tackles.

True but the always try to start their sets in the middle of the field. This is why they're central back-rowers - because edge forwards start a defensive set four in from the sideline.

While say Bird is a lock that has a great playmaking game as well as a great running game.

Bird is also an edge forward.

Hindmarsh won't just stay in the middle he will pop up wherever he is needed.

I think you'll find he'll try to get back in position - front rowers are a common target for nippy halves and angled runners, and coaches prefer if their hooker and central back-rower are there to protect them.

 

[yy_cheng]

And the dally m central back row is ......

 

[born an eel]

And the dally m central back row is ......

nobody qualified as they all were seen to play on the edge a sometime during the season.
The only winner to be anounced was the utility forward position, who just played where they wanted.

 

[born an eel]

hold the press, the utility forward award was taken back as previously unseen footage of the forward playing in the backline from a scrum has emerged.

 

[Pazza]

Forget the terms second row and lock, they are extremely dated! These days there are two edge backs rowers and one tight backrower.

I was thinking if Hindmarsh did retire, if Mannah could drop back into the tight backrower position? He is very Paul Gallen like and I think he could built the fitness to play 60 - 70 mins a week.

 

[born an eel]

Forget the terms second row and lock, they are extremely dated! These days there are two edge backs rowers and one tight backrower.

I was thinking if Hindmarsh did retire, if Mannah could drop back into the tight backrower position? He is very Paul Gallen like and I think he could built the fitness to play 60 - 70 mins a week.

why call them backrowers then also, as half the time one of them is either standing at 5/8 from scrums or packing in the front row or hooker position even when the no. 9 is at the back of the scrum.

 

[Pazza]

why call them backrowers then also, as half the time one of them is either standing at 5/8 from scrums or packing in the front row or hooker position even when the no. 9 is at the back of the scrum.

True, ok, edge forwards and tight forward.

 

[SDM]

Mannah is fatter than Poore, he will stay prop, where he is very effective.

 

[Springs]

Now it's tight backrower? It's still second rower and lock there's no need to change it.

Stewart and Mateo are two LOCKS who have played in the middle and on the edge while playing LOCK. Mateo isn't just an edge forward, or was he playing edge forward at 6 as well?

Hindmarsh doesn't try to get back into 'position' he follows the play around, he doesn't just hold in the middle.

Central back rower is just a stupid complex term for lock. If it's exactly like lock why not just call it lock? Who cares

In a defensive set four in from the sideline is hardly 'edge' anyway. It's still inside the backs, which makes the 7 forwards the 7 players defending the middle, like it has been for quite a while now.