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Nathan Hindmarsh dismisses retirement talk

Pazza

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Stewart and Mateo are two LOCKS

Central back rower is just a stupid complex term for lock. If it's exactly like lock why not just call it lock? Who cares

But Mateo attacks the left edge and Stewart the right? Sure they might come in for a hit up but there primary role is not to play tight. For the Sea Eagles Watmough plays tight and for the Warriors Luck does.
 

Haynzy

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Hang on.. So the 'Lock' defends in the centre and the 'Second Rowers' defend and attack on the edges.???

A change in name but the roles are the same..what a stupid argument.
 

SDM

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No. The arguement is that 11,12 or 13 could be in the central role.
 

Gronk

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Big Jack Gibson would have something witty to say about all this backrower BS I am sure.
 

born an eel

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maybe we shouldn't use numbers anymore and use netball as an example and have CF, EF on the jerseys :sarcasm:
 

PJ Marshal

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if you subscribe to the theory of the modern game the lock is essentially and extra prop forward
 

Twizzle

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you mean like Gal ? he's not your average lock tho

locks job used to be cover defense so he basically had to be everywhere much like Mr Perpetual Motion.
 

yy_cheng

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Forget the terms second row and lock, they are extremely dated! These days there are two edge backs rowers and one tight backrower.

I was thinking if Hindmarsh did retire, if Mannah could drop back into the tight backrower position? He is very Paul Gallen like and I think he could built the fitness to play 60 - 70 mins a week.

Does the tight backrower have to be jewish?
 

born an eel

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Does the tight backrower have to be jewish?
does the person who kicks the ball high in the air into the ingoal have to be middle eastern?
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Springs

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But Mateo attacks the left edge and Stewart the right? Sure they might come in for a hit up but there primary role is not to play tight. For the Sea Eagles Watmough plays tight and for the Warriors Luck does.

Luck plays a classic lock role so why not jut call him lock. Mateo now plays 2nd row for Warriors but with Parramatta when he was switching between 6 and 13 he would often play a playmakers game. And at the end of 2010 when he finally hit form he was in the middle a lot more.

Stewart has a valuable playmaking game that doesn't just restrict him to be an 'edge forward'. He plays a playmaking locks game like some locks of the past, where some played as an extra half and some as a cover defender and such.

Not all second rowers have to subscribe to the Ben Creagh type of player. As in barely leaving their 10m corridor for the whole game. Saying that backrowers have to be confined to edge and central roles is as silly as saying half and five-eighth are just confined to one side of the field each. Sure a lot of modern coaches want their teams like that but it's barely a rule, and the best players won't be confined to a right, left or edge position.
 

eels81236

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Luck plays a classic lock role so why not jut call him lock. Mateo now plays 2nd row for Warriors but with Parramatta when he was switching between 6 and 13 he would often play a playmakers game. And at the end of 2010 when he finally hit form he was in the middle a lot more.

Stewart has a valuable playmaking game that doesn't just restrict him to be an 'edge forward'. He plays a playmaking locks game like some locks of the past, where some played as an extra half and some as a cover defender and such.

Not all second rowers have to subscribe to the Ben Creagh type of player. As in barely leaving their 10m corridor for the whole game. Saying that backrowers have to be confined to edge and central roles is as silly as saying half and five-eighth are just confined to one side of the field each. Sure a lot of modern coaches want their teams like that but it's barely a rule, and the best players won't be confined to a right, left or edge position.

Get ready for another schooling.
 

Parra Pride

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I've got a question only Poupou is qualified to answer, who is more likely to get the most LBAs, edge backrow, or central backrow?
 

Poupou Escobar

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True, ok, edge forwards and tight forward.

I reckon this is the best terminology - edge forward and tight forward.

Can we get this nomenclature enshrined in the forum rules so f**ken nitwits like Springs don't keep using out-dated terms like 'lock' and 'second-row'?

Maybe then the game's administration will catch up to the modern day and we won't have to go through the embarassing situation where last year's Dally M Lock and Second-Row awards were both won by edge forwards.

Gallen played tight forward at the Sharks in 2010 but when Jeremy Smith arrived there last year Gallen shifted to the left edge.

Now it's tight backrower? It's still second rower and lock there's no need to change it.

It's already been changed mate. Get on board.

Stewart and Mateo are two LOCKS who have played in the middle and on the edge while playing LOCK.

Mateo never wore number 13 last year because that number belongs to the Warriors' tight forward Michael Luck. Mateo plays on the left edge as has already been explained to you.

Mateo isn't just an edge forward, or was he playing edge forward at 6 as well?

No when he played 6 he played almost exactly like a left-hand edge forward. The only difference was they swap in attack and defence - so the edge forward attacks three in and defends four in, whereas the 'five-eighth' (in that structure at least) attacks four in and defends three in.

In either case these two have the left centre and winger outside them. Or do you think we still play with inside and outside centres?

Hindmarsh doesn't try to get back into 'position' he follows the play around, he doesn't just hold in the middle.

Mate, nobody "just holds" anywhere. Everyone is expected to work hard off the ball, in both attack and defence. But the game is so fast and the ball movement so good in first grade that Hindy won't be just chasing the ball around the field. He might drift toward the ball as he tracks back with the ref but that is mostly to cover an overlap or a bust. And he will always try to get back into the middle where most of the tackles are to be made.

You watch whenever we start a new defensive set (ie. after an penalty/error or kickoff) - Hindmarsh will be standing in the middle group of four players (with the props and hooker).

Central back rower is just a stupid complex term for lock. If it's exactly like lock why not just call it lock? Who cares

Because it's not exactly like lock. 'Lock' refers firstly to a position in the scrum. After that it means different things to different people (cover defender, edge runner, second five-eighth, etc).

I'm sorry the game has left you behind but it's not too late to catch up. We're here to help you.

In a defensive set four in from the sideline is hardly 'edge' anyway.

Agreed. But in attack he's three in from the sideline, and this is definitely the edge. It sure as shit isn't the middle of the field (I nearly called it midfield but I thought you might f**king splinter.)

It's still inside the backs, which makes the 7 forwards the 7 players defending the middle, like it has been for quite a while now.

These days there are only six forwards, but even a distinction like 'forwards' and 'backs' is problematic. You're right that edge forwards defend inside all of the 'backs' but they attack outside the halves - Souths had an option last year that saw Dave Taylor attacking outside both Sutton and Inglis, while defending on their inside.

Instead of being frightened of these changes you should embrace innovation. It is very exciting.

Get ready for another schooling.

I don't think he's ready for it.

I've got a question only Poupou is qualified to answer, who is more likely to get the most LBAs, edge backrow, or central backrow?

I'll let you work that one out but here's a hint: where do most line breaks (the 'LB' in 'LBA') occur? The middle or the edges?
 
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