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NBA Offseason / Summer 2011

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Big Mick

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So the reason that they shouldn't be entitled to the percentage they've previously negotiated is because no other salary cap league in the world has that? Brilliant logic there, nobody else does why should they? :roll:

No, its because it is unreasonable. Other leagues should be a reflection of why the agreement is currently totally wrong. Add to that they have a Mid-Level exception as well as a luxury tax arrangement, the payments are out of control.

The players do deserve a big slice of the pie no doubt, but 52-48 or 50/50 is enough. Why do they deserve 57% of the revenue and risk that other people who earn $20,000 a year would lose jobs than a guy like Gilbert earns $20m a year in a flawed system.

I'm not saying it can't be 57%, I'm not saying that they should just go with something other leagues have, but what makes the NBA so much of an exception over other leagues?. Particularly that they are running at a loss. And Billy Hunters accounting is stupid.


And on profitability, outside of a few sound grabs from Stern, Adam Silver and co, where has it been conclusively proven that the league is running at the purported $300m loss? Read this article (and the articles linked within) which goes some way to debunking a lot of the misinformation surrounding the whole "running at a loss" claim:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=NBAFinancials-110630

I love that article. But it's also full of biased garbage from Hunter.

So interest expense isn't a payment? So if Hunter has a mortgage and he pays monthly installments....He thinks that is all principal payment? Of course not. The majority of what anyone pays every year is interest.

So that interest paid isn't real money? That is total bullshit. To say that they should exclude it is to go against every accounting policy in the world.

GAAP has been something that has been rolled out across the world in order to ensure that the majority of accounting practices remain consistent. The issue with the previous American Policies were that they were so dramatically pathetic and had so many policies so far out of wack with the rest of the world it was meaning noone was essentially wanting to do business with them.

Hunter's logic is flawed with respect to interest. In fact, its downright wrong.

Amortisation policies are also under guided under the GAAP policies. Usually it is determined via two things - 1) The useful live of the intangible asset (usually the goodwill associated with the purchase or the "value of the name") or 2) standard 10-20 years amortisation which is the case for most things in Australia depending on the type of asset.

Now the issue with discussing Amortisation is that it is necessary under accounting policy to depreciate over time. That isn't just a specific NBA thing. Hunter's claim that a company can just change that is wrong. If they did the IRS would be knocking on their door saying that their accounting policies are wrong. That is if that issue had slipped past the scope of the professional independent auditors that look over the books.

And only looking at the Balance Sheet or Profit and Loss Statement is incorrect with regards to assessing whether the clubs are losing money.

The only real indicator is reviewing Cash Flow statements for companies. This would essentially show us whether the club is inherently liquid. This would identify cash inflow/outflows and if they are in a net loss position then their statement for losses is real.

If a team since the last CBA is showing net loss in their cash flow every year then the team is losing its money.

I read the deadspin article attached as well and while some of those look like "Phantom" items, they are permissible under law and essentially is reducing the overall value of the team for resale if they do sell it. While they also get tax benefits for it, it would be reducing the team's "Goodwill" if it gets sold, which is what the amortisation debate is about...so essentially...the team ends up losing whichever way they do it.

But I can't review the books, I'd love to!...but I can't so I can't see their cash flow.

But based on the economy over there at the moment. The outrageous contracts being issued and overall reckless spending, the league needs to be reigned in to protect itself.

It needs to level off the revenue to be an even split, it needs to ensure there is a hard cap to take away the luxury tax, it needs an appropriate revenue sharing program to aid small market teams and they need to get rid of the Mid-Level exception. That is a small way to get this mess fixed.

The next is to ensure the NBA & NBAPA have an internal audit team that goes around and monitors spending and has controls in place around spending at all these franchises. That is the next step. That way both NBA officials and NBAPA Officials have 100% visibility and are able to clean up bad franchises.

If they don't do those things above, the NBA will be dead in its current form in 5-10 years and the team will be contracted. While contraction isn't a bad idea to increase slice of pie per team, it doesn't need to be if the processes above are followed and fixed.

Both sides need to sit down and throw out everything that has been done in the past. They need to say "This is our environment now. We need to fix this....this is out of control". The players need to ease up on their wanting of 55-60% of the pie and the owners need to put in place appropriate controls in place to control spending. If the NBA is going to thrive and even survive...concessions need to be made on both sides...not just the owners.

That is my argument. But hey...I'd just love to see harmony in all professional leagues. God amateur sports are awesome. None of this BS.
 
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andrew057

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The Euroleague wouldn't want a huge influx on NBA players. Plus isn't there quotas to how many non-european players they can have on rosters? I can see a few players going to China etc though.

Its starting, and the longer the lockout lasts, the more will go.
 

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And in bigger turkey related new; Sasha Vujacic has agreed to take his talents there!

ANKARA -- New Jersey Nets guard Sasha Vujacic has signed with a Turkish team for next season.

Anadolu Efes said Friday the 27-year old Slovenian guard agreed to a one-year deal with an optional second year. It did not say whether Vujacic has an option to return to New Jersey if the NBA lockout is lifted.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...guard-sasha-vujacic-signs-turkish-club-season

I'm sure they'll benefit greatly from his championship experience.
 

Ridders

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Also;

Shaq's next big move takes him to Turner Sports
Posted Jul 14 2011 9:48AM

During a raucous retirement party at his Florida home in June, Shaquille O'Neal promised that his next step would be a "big one."

You wouldn't expect anything less from a man who has spent the past 19 years as the biggest personality in the sport, "The Big Aristotle" ... "The Big Shaqctus" ... "The Big Shamrock" etc., and beyond.

So how about "The Big Analyst?"

Because as promised, O'Neal's next step is a big one, now that the 15-time NBA All-Star and four-time NBA champion joins Turner Sports as a full-time analyst across its portfolio of NBA assets starting with the 2011-2012 season.

O'Neal will join TNT's Emmy Award-winning studio show alongside Ernie Johnson, Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley and will also be a part of the network's exclusive NBA All-Star Weekend and NBA Playoffs coverage as a part of the multi-year agreement announced Thursday morning.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/sekou_smith/07/14/shaq-joins-turner/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Should be good fun, one way or another.
 
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Kobe bashing? Kenny bashing more like it lol Shaq called out Kenny's job about 10 years IIRC. I wish we had more access to inside the NBA in Australia, that show is just the best sports show on TV anywhere.

I can't wait for the European edition of Who he play for lmao
 

ByRd

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I was just saying it as a joke lol but these 2 together are going to make the show even better and I'm with you in that I wish we had more access here
 

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The Turkish team that recently reached an agreement to sign All-Star guard Deron Williams if the NBA lockout drags on has placed its pursuit of Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant on hold, according to an overseas report.

Turkey's NTV Spor reported Monday that Besiktas' basketball funds have been tied up by the match-fixing scandal that has ripped through the Turkish soccer world, forcing Besiktas to search for outside funding to help with the further pursuit of NBA players.

According to NTV Spor, Besiktas was initially prepared to offer Bryant a monthly salary of $500,000. But Bryant, according to the report, is seeking a monthly salary of $1 million to join Williams. Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard earlier this month that Williams' overall deal with Besiktas is worth $5 million.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/...urkish-team-besiktas-pursuit-kobe-bryant-hold

Would be fun to see the Mamba play some Euro ball.
 
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I know it's playful bashing, like when Shaq gave a shout out to Chuck and EJ then said he'd never heard of the guy other but they should fire him :lol:
 

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NBA draw is out (even though it probably doesnt mean much)

Yeah the dates are probably meaningless.

Mavs to kick off the season (whenever that is) with a home opener against the Bulls.

The other game being the Thunder against the Lakers.
 

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MIAMI -- Shaquille O'Neal's debut as a full-fledged NBA analyst had him raving about LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.

As for Chris Bosh?

Apparently, Shaq's not a big fan of his work.

During NBA TV's show Tuesday to announce the league's schedule for the 2011-12 season -- one jeopardized by a lockout -- O'Neal referred to the Heat as having a "Big 2." Since Bosh, Wade and James teamed up in Miami, they've been called the "Big 3" in many circles.

"The Miami Heat, they've got a lot of great players, the `Big 2.' They will be back," O'Neal said from Louisiana during the broadcast, when discussing the NBA finals and how Dallas was able to beat Miami for the title. "LeBron James is taking a lot of criticism, but I know LeBron very well. He hears everything that everyone is saying, so I think he's going to come back and have an MVP year this year."

After the discussion turned to O'Neal's health and his decision to retire, the talk was steered back to his "Big 2" comment.

O'Neal laughed off the notion that a controversy was already getting started.

"Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, you know, they're great players, they're probably the greatest backcourt ever assembled," O'Neal said. "And you know, they're going to get back. They're going to get back. They play well, they went through a lot, they put a lot of pressure on themselves. That's how they like it. And they will be back."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6...l-says-miami-heat-led-big-2-leaves-chris-bosh

Even in retirement the guy is clowning Bosh :lol:
 

Ridders

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The Detroit Pistons have chosen Lawrence Frank to be their new head coach, according to sources with knowledge of the team's thinking.

The Pistons have selected Frank over former Detroit assistant Mike Woodson, with sources telling ESPN.com that the decision signals the growing influence in the organization of former New York Knicks executive Dave Checketts.

Yahoo! Sports first reported that Frank's hiring is imminent. The Associated Press reported that Frank will have a formal contract offer from Detroit within the next two days.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6...ed-new-head-coach-detroit-pistons-sources-say
 

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Derek Fisher: Lockout's been quiet

By Dave McMenamin
ESPNLosAngeles.com

LOS ANGELES -- The NBA lockout will have reached a full month on Monday when representatives from the owners and players union will officially resume negotiations in New York City.

"It's been long, but it's been weirdly quiet," said NBA Players Association president Derek Fisher on Friday, speaking at his youth basketball academy in downtown Los Angeles. "To push as hard as we did in the month of June to see if we could get a deal done prior to July 1, it's essentially been crickets since then."

As the opposing camps wade back into the waters that got pretty choppy back in late June when the work stoppage began, Fisher said there is an agreement in place between both sides to "table" the economic issues holding up the next collective bargaining agreement. Rather, in hopes of making some progress after a month-long layoff, Fisher said Monday's session will focus on "system issues" such as the feasibility of a hard cap, the length of guaranteed contracts and annual percentage increases of those contracts.
"If, as players, we feel we can operate under a fair system, then we can maybe work towards a fair number," Fisher said. "I think our counterparts feel a little bit differently, they want to get a number set and they're not as concerned with the way the system looks if they get the right number. We don't think that's the best way to approach it. We want to make sure we keep a fair system in place for all players now and coming in later and I think the numbers will kind of take care of themselves."

Among the economic issues that caused the lockout to go into place were the owners seeking a larger share of the basketball-related income (BRI). Player salaries took up 57 percent of the BRI in the last CBA. Owners wanted to lower that number to approximately 55-45 in their favor, while players offered to lower their take to 54.3 percent -- giving up $500 million in total player salaries over five years, a concession that NBA commissioner David Stern characterized at the time as "modest."
There were also disagreements over how long the next CBA should last -- owners proposed a 10-year deal while the union started with a five-year proposal, later stretching it to six. There was also a fundamental disagreement between the union and owners over the $340 million the league claims to have lost during the 2009-10 season and whether revenue-sharing amongst owners would be a more appropriate means to recoup those losses in the future rather than slicing player salaries.
While it should be encouraging that the sides are meeting after 31 days rather than the 45 it took to sit at the bargaining table again after the last NBA lockout began in 1998, Fisher made it clear that he didn't expect the laundry list of issues to be cleared up in a day.

"It's more about getting the process started again," Fisher said. "Kind of rolling the sleeves back up and starting to do the hard work that it's going to take to try and get something done between now and October 1st or when the start of training camp would be. I don't know if there's going to be any major movement on Monday."

While negotiations stalled during the month of July, the prospect of players heading overseas to play in other professional basketball leagues heated up, sparked by New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams agreeing to a deal with Besiktas in Turkey.

"We view it as a gentleman is being told that he can't come to work at a particular place and he's temporarily unemployed and he's seeking employment elsewhere," Fisher said of the union's stance on a potential exodus to Europe by the players. "We fully expect and anticipate that our guys are going to want to find opportunities to do what they love to do, and that's play the game.

Things going pretty slowly atm. Although that's not surprising. Talks will probably only heat up once we get closer to the pre-season.
 

ByRd

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I hope we can get a similar timeline to that of the NFL who will not miss any games but had to rush all free agency etc. stuff but i doubt the NBA will start on time, we can only hope.
 
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