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NBA Offseason / Summer 2011

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while the players can go to Europe not all can and not all will get the money they are used to Owners dont earn money which is true but they arent spending tens of millions in salaries either
 
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Fast Eddie said:
A small proportion of them.
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Thats yet to be seen. If the lockout starts to drag on for months, expect a lot of this to be tested:

Originally Posted by Larry Coon
Can NBA players play overseas during a lockout?

The answer to this one is "It's complicated." Stern said as far as he's concerned, the players can do what they want to do. But keep in mind, he's going to say that regardless -- he doesn't want to appear in any way to be trying to prevent the players from earning a living. Labor laws don't allow an employer to lock out its employees and prevent them from earning a living elsewhere.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what Stern says or does -- the decision isn't up to him.

In order to play professionally overseas, FIBA (the organizing body for international basketball) requires a Letter of Clearance from the player's national organizing body. In the case of players from the United States, that's USA Basketball. The Letter of Clearance certifies that the player is free to sign a contract -- i.e., he has no other contractual obligations that would get in the way. An NBA contract is such a contractual obligation. Lockout or not, it's still an existing contract. So on the surface, an NBA player who's under contract would not be allowed to sign in any FIBA league. NBA free agents, on the other hand, can sign wherever they'd like.

But here's the rub -- we're getting into uncharted territory. FIBA has never found itself in this position before. FIBA could decide to alter or suspend its rule requiring a Letter of Clearance, or allow contracts to be signed so long as they contain language that says the contract becomes null and void immediately if the NBA lockout ends.

More likely, FIBA simply would stick to its existing rule, essentially punting the problem to the national organizing bodies. These bodies (such as USA Basketball) could decide to issue a Letter of Clearance notwithstanding the NBA lockout. Or they could issue a Letter of Clearance with a specific notation about the lockout -- essentially punting the problem right back to FIBA.

Finally, the NBA players could take FIBA and/or the national organizing bodies to court. The ability to block players in a lockout has never been tested through litigation, and once they're there, anything can happen.


If players under contract are cleared to play in Europe, will there be a mass exodus?

It's doubtful. For one thing, there simply aren't enough teams with enough open roster spots to accommodate 400-plus NBA players. And the ones who do sign overseas will likely make only a fraction of what they earned in the NBA. The Euroleague and other FIBA leagues simply can't afford to pay NBA players commensurate with the salaries to which they've grown accustomed.

So we will probably see a few head overseas, but certainly not a Who's Who of NBA players.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...3ff11610339c8c
 
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The Euroleague wouldn't want a huge influx on NBA players. Plus isn't there quotas to how many non-european players they can have on rosters? I can see a few players going to China etc though.
 
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Its not only the owners, i was reading that something like 20 owners made a loss last year and will keep operating on a loss for years to come. The players have to realise that the money floating around on wages is ridiculous, this lockout appears that it is going to go on for a while, hopefully we get a shortened season at least but i doubt it.
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I saw on ESPN during the finals that the number of franchises making a loss was actually 27 or 28 and if that is true that's just amazing.

I don't really understand this situation too much as both sides just seem to be blaming the other anytime I see somebody speak or release a statement but it seems like the owners went a little crazy when the league was doing well now they're in the shitter and want to tone it back but ofcourse the players want guarantees and the average salary to increase.

The long term ramifications could be very bad for both parties.

Here's the press conference for anyone who hasn't seen it

http://youtu.be/M-riwLGPVRA

David Stern looks like he would have gone out the back and cried like a baby lol
 
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If only more teams were like the Spurs...They are one of the few who didn't run at a loss and their star player Duncan even takes a paycut (couple seasons back) so they can hold onto other players.
 
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I don't think its as simple as saying...bad owners who give bad contracts.

When you have provisions in the current CBA saying you HAVE to spend up to 95% of the preliminary cap, which is before luxury tax is imposed, you have no choice really.

doesn't mean u have to pay stupid contracts...but look at MLB. Its supply and demand. PLayers on the market who are mediocre get paid. Jason Werth got $120 ffs...and the dude came off his worst season ever.

The fact still remains that NBA players are the highest paid on average of any of the majors in America, they have by far the biggest slice of the pie as far as total revenue is concerned.

While Owners no doubt need to be more prudent financially, the players still need to realise the environment they are in with regards to the economic situation in the US. 57% of total basketball revenue is too much and it should be around the 50% mark which is the equivalent of other sports.
 
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I think the big question needs to be raised. Will there be an NBA 2K12?
 
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Big Mick said:
I don't think its as simple as saying...bad owners who give bad contracts.

When you have provisions in the current CBA saying you HAVE to spend up to 95% of the preliminary cap, which is before luxury tax is imposed, you have no choice really.

doesn't mean u have to pay stupid contracts...but look at MLB. Its supply and demand. PLayers on the market who are mediocre get paid. Jason Werth got $120 ffs...and the dude came off his worst season ever.

The fact still remains that NBA players are the highest paid on average of any of the majors in America, they have by far the biggest slice of the pie as far as total revenue is concerned.

While Owners no doubt need to be more prudent financially, the players still need to realise the environment they are in with regards to the economic situation in the US. 57% of total basketball revenue is too much and it should be around the 50% mark which is the equivalent of other sports.
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Why is 57% too much? You keep saying it's too much and arbitrarily pluck 50% out of nowhere, but you haven't said why 57% is too much. People tune in to watch the players, why shouldn't they be entitled to 57% of revenues?

I just come back to this:
The simple takeaway from that table is that Player Salaries and NBA Revenues are growing exactly at the US inflation rate (score one for economists everywhere!). Team expenses are growing at a ridiculous five times that. The owners must know this. A new labor deal will not fix that.
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http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/taking-a-look-at-the-numbers-behind-the-nba-labor-dispute/
 
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Tiger Hawk said:
Why is 57% too much? You keep saying it's too much and arbitrarily pluck 50% out of nowhere, but you haven't said why 57% is too much. People tune in to watch the players, why shouldn't they be entitled to 57% of revenues?

I just come back to this:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/taking-a-look-at-the-numbers-behind-the-nba-labor-dispute/
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My reasoning is as I said before.

No other salary cap league in the world has 57%.

What, are you saying Basketball players are more of a product than other sports. If you are, then that's just stupid.

Why should basketball be worth 57% while all other sports have 50% and their leagues are profitable.
 
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Big Mick said:
My reasoning is as I said before.

No other salary cap league in the world has 57%.
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So the reason that they shouldn't be entitled to the percentage they've previously negotiated is because no other salary cap league in the world has that? Brilliant logic there, nobody else does why should they? :roll:
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What, are you saying Basketball players are more of a product than other sports. If you are, then that's just stupid.

Why should basketball be worth 57% while all other sports have 50% and their leagues are profitable.
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What has any other sports league got to do with the NBA? I couldn't care less about the MLB, NFL or even NRL when it comes to this situation. Each is different - the players association negotiated the 57% some time ago and if no sports' players association has had similar success with their respective leagues, why is that their problem?

And on profitability, outside of a few sound grabs from Stern, Adam Silver and co, where has it been conclusively proven that the league is running at the purported $300m loss? Read this article (and the articles linked within) which goes some way to debunking a lot of the misinformation surrounding the whole "running at a loss" claim:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=NBAFinancials-110630
Hunter was referring to the accounting practice of amortizing certain assets related to the purchase of the teams themselves. These show up in the balance sheet, but there is little or no economic substance to the amortization. It does not represent actual money that is going out the door.
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Look, I have no doubt that the league has its problems and there are certainly a few teams that are in a bad way. But to paint a picture that the majority of NBA teams (originally 22, now someone has said 28) are losing a lot of real money, when its in the owners' best ("tax friendly") interest to report "paper losses", it seems more than little underhanded to me.
 
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Deron Williams to Turkey?

Michael Beasley caught speeding and with half an ounce of ganja, lucky for him there's currently no substance abuse policy :lol:
 
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