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NBA Season 2010-2011

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Ron has come out and said whilst he's unhappy, he doesn't want to leave. Nobody in their right mind would trade for him anyway.
Artest is living la-la land he thinks Michael Jordan is playing for the Lakers

"Obviously, when I was on other teams, I got a lot of touches. I'm playing with the greatest player in the history of the game, and I'm playing with All-Stars. I don't have a problem with looking bad on the court for the benefit of the team."

He's always good for a laugh.
 

Special K

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Al Horford is an All-Star center, but his father, Tito Horford, would prefer to see him at his natural position.
"I’ve been begging [general manager] Rick Sund and the Hawks for the last three years -- please get a center so my son can pay his normal position," the elder Horford said. "He can’t push guys out of the box like I could. If he moved to forward, he would have a longer career."
Atlanta coach Larry Drew agrees that Horford would be a force as a power forward.
“He’d be a beast,” Drew said.
Horford has taken a beating, particularly on the defensive end. Drew is trying to minimize the issue by going with a “big” lineup about 40 percent of the time: Horford moves to power forward, Josh Smith to small forward, Jason Collins steps in at center and Marvin Williams goes to the bench.
Drew admitted, “I’ve even thought of making the change permanent.”


http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...wks_To_Get_Center_Move_Al_To_Natural_Position


It would be good to see them get another big man. I don't know how they do it now though unless they trade Crawford
 

Tiger Hawk

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The best move would be to trade Josh Smith for a quality centre. Obvious problem being a lack of quality centres. I'd love to keep Smith but the only way we're getting better is by getting a true 5 in there and as long as Smith is around, Horford has to man that spot. I'd be open to trading Marv but his value isn't as high and he's more a natural 3 than Smith is.
 

betcats

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With talk of trades being on the horizon for the Lakers, here's a trade proposal to consider:

Lakers get: Josh Smith and Jamal Crawford
Atlanta get: Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest and Shannon Brown

From Atlanta's perspective, I'd hate to lose Josh but Al has continued his development and this trade allows him to move to his natural power forward spot. Bynum gives us that extra bit of size, albeit with injury risks. Crawford is probably gone after the season and Brown should give us 75% of what Crawford can, at 1/3rd the price. Don't want to take back Artest but it's needed to make the salaries match, and realistically in any Bynum trade that's probably a condition.

From Lakers perspective, you don't want to give Bynum away for nothing but Josh Smith gives that bit of athleticism that is clearly lacking and you could start Crawford alongside Kobe for a killer 1-2 punch in the backcourt.

Atlanta
PG - Bibby
SG - Johnson
SF - Williams
PF - Horford
C - Bynum

Artest, Teague, Pachulia & Evans off the bench

Lakers
PG - Crawford
SG - Bryant
SF - Barnes
PF - Smith
C - Gasol

Odom, Fish, Blake, Walton

I honestly that's a good trade from both teams' perspective. Atlanta probably gets the more valuable player in the trade (Bynum), but the inclusion of Crawford evens things out plus we take back a horror contract in Artest. That Lakers starting five would run most opponents out of the gym, but is obviously weaker defensively. Atlanta becomes a more serious contender out East, but unless Teague or Marv take huge strides probably still a little short.

Thoughts?

I like this a lot for both teams, Although im not sure the lakers would trade away a young centre like Bynum. There has to be a good reason to trade away young height like that.
 
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Big ups to Ray Allen for surpassing Reggie's 3pt record. I don't think anyone will catch Ray who still has a few years in him to possibly get to 3,000 if he plays long enough but even Jesus Shuttlesworth couldn't stop the Lakers from an impressive second half dominance over Boston.

That's sad news about Jerry Sloan particularly if this bust up with Deron is the reason hes been a fantastic coach for a while and not many people in the game are as respected as he is but the way the Jazz found ways to lose that game against the Bulls I'm not surprised he had enoug,

Anybody catch that Mavs/Nuggets game? Wow, what a game one of the best I've seen for a while Afflalo came up huge in the 4th.
 

Ridders

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Heat @ Celtics today. Will be interesting to see if the Heat can finally get a win over the Celtics, who've been struggling recently.
 

half

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haters wrote off the heat in 06, shared the same criticisms

in the past 30 games with the big 3 on the court, miami has a winning record of .900

you'd be a donkey to think any team could contain the full-strength heat in the playoffs
 

andrew057

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haters wrote off the heat in 06, shared the same criticisms

in the past 30 games with the big 3 on the court, miami has a winning record of .900

you'd be a donkey to think any team could contain the full-strength heat in the playoffs

Yeah and what was the total record of the teams they beat in those 30 games? Id be almsot certain it would be sub .500.

Contain the heat? The Heat were full strength yesterday and were contained pretty well by the Celtics and their 7 man rotation.
 

Special K

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Carmelo Anthony could have been a member of the Knicks by Monday if the Knicks were willing to meet Denver's asking price for the All-Star forward.
New York president Donnie Walsh so far is not willing to meet the trade terms Denver would require to deal Anthony to New York, which one Knicks official classified as "steep."
According to the source, "there is a deal to be made" but the most recent incarnation was not to Walsh's liking.
The Nuggets offered Anthony and Chauncey Billups to the Knicks for Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Eddy Curry, another starter and at least one first-round pick.
Frank Isola writes that the Nuggets are focusing most of their trade efforts on the Knicks and Bulls, with the Mavericks and Rockets also in the mix.


Them em their drrrreeeamin!

No way he Melo worth that much when they can sign in 5 months! Who is their other starter? Fields? Why doesn't NY just give them the keys to the garden while they are at it.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Billups-Melo-Stoudemire enough? Not when surrounded by scrubs.

A few things I'd forgotten throughout this whole saga:

1. Melo won't be a free agent after this season. He has an opt-out clause in his current contract which means the Nuggets could trade him after the season and up to June 30. Whilst they'd probably want a deal done before then, they still have some leverage particularly with the Knicks because...

2. ...the Knicks wouldn't be able to trade for him after the season and before June 30 as they'd need Eddy Curry's expiring deal to make the salaries match, and once the season finishes, they can't trade Curry.

3. If he doesn't opt-out, Melo's salary is $18.5m next year. Guaranteed.

4. If he doesn't opt-out and signs an extension, he's guaranteed $18.5m next year and $65m over the following three years.

5. If he opts-out, the Knicks wouldn't have the cap space to sign him to a contract worth $18.5m next year unless they renounced their rights to Curry, Chandler, Azubuike and Roger Mason and then would have to trade Turiaf, Randolph and Mozgov to free up enough space. That's a lot of players to give up on for one.

6. That's assuming the salary cap and CBA are the same as they currently are. If they aren't, Melo may not even be able to sign a contract worth that much. And the Knicks might have to clear even more space (likely trade Galinari) to create further space.

Assuming the cap and CBA are the same, Melo opts out and the Knicks gut most of their roster to sign him, they're left with Felton-Fields-Melo-Galinari-Stoudemire and no bench. Would it be worth it? They'd be going all in on a Melo-Stoudemire core, two players who dominate the ball and aren't renowned for either defence or sharing the ball. They likely wouldn't have enough cap space in 2012 for another max player either, unless rights to Felton and other free agnets are renounced and they don't extend Galinari.

But it's probable the cap and CBA do change. So if he opts-out Melo could be potentially sacrificing $10m+. And the Knicks would definitely not have room for another max player in 2012.
 
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Special K

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Assuming the cap and CBA are the same, Melo opts out and the Knicks gut most of their roster to sign him, they're left with Felton-Fields-Melo-Galinari-Stoudemire and no bench. Would it be worth it? .
Yes it would be once you fill it out with ring chasers imo. The problem they have is if the new CBA kills the MLE (which they wouldn't get if they have cap space to sign Melo but it would help in further years) and minimums for vets. I doubt they kill the vets min nor the MLE. But they would be faced with the same problems the heats has which is they would be good but still need more parts.

I'd rather gamble with Felton, Fields, Melo, Gallo, Stoud than what they have now. However I thought assuming the cap stays the same that they could sign Melo to a near max deal if Curry, Chandler, Mason and Azubuike came off their books. Then re-sign Turiaf with bird rights(if they want him) and keep Randolph, Douglas and Mozgov. Plus they are trying to move Randolph for a pick which translates to cap space anyway.

Isn't Curry(12 mill isn't he?), Azubuike(3 mill isn't he?), Chandler(don't know how much he is on) enough for a max deal?
 

Fast Eddie

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If what you're saying went down then they would only lose three rotation players. Chandler, Turiaf and Mozgov. They would still have Douglas and Walker who they use and would need to pick up some cheap centres.
 

Tiger Hawk

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Isn't Curry(12 mill isn't he?), Azubuike(3 mill isn't he?), Chandler(don't know how much he is on) enough for a max deal?
Doesn't quite work like that. At all times during an off-season, a team must have a combination of 12 players and/or cap holds. If nothing is unchanged in the cap and CBA, then next years cap is projected to be $58,044,000. Looking at their roster:

1. Stoudemire, Felton, Mozgov, Fields & Walker are guaranteed for next year (total $30,049,477).
2. Douglas & Galinari have team option contracts worth a combined $5,335,822 - Knicks would like to keep both.
3. Turiaf has a $4,360,000 player option (which he's unlikely to opt out of).

That's 8 players on contract if the season ended today for a combined $39,745,299 towards next year's cap (if the Knicks exercise the options for Douglas & Galinari). Assuming they renounce their free agents:

1. Their unrestricted free agents are Curry, Azubuike, Williams & Mason.
2. Chandler is a restirected free agent.

As they only need to get to 12, four cap holds would count towards the cap (each worth $490,180), being $1,960,720.

So that's 12 players / cap holds. But they also have to swap first round picks with Houston this year (unless it's the first overall pick) and if they trade Randolph, they'll have another first rounder. Assuming they give Randolph away for nothing, that Houston pick is probably going to be a mid-first rounder and could be worth up to $1,414,100 (salary scale). It would also replace one of the cap holds.

So total cap holds will either be $1,960,720 or $2,884,640 (depending on whether they keep the Houston pick).

So their 8 contracted players and four cap holds combine for $41,706,019 (or $42,629,939 if they keep the first round pick). That leaves them only $16,337,981 in space (or $15,414,061) and means:

* Melo giving up $2m-$3m next year (also impacts the total value of his contract); and
* their other free agent signings next year would have to be bargain basement.

They're obviously thin up front and I don't imagine too many big men would be that keen to accept the minimum to play on a team that I just don't see being successful. I mean Felton-Fields-Melo-Galinari-Stoudemire with Mozgov-Douglas-Walker-Turiaf is ok, but is it really significantly better than what they are now - barely a 0.500 team?

Of course if they don't exercise the team options on Galinari or Douglas, or trade Mozgov or Turiaf, then they'd have the space to sign Melo to a max contract (if he insists on it). But they'd also be losing a current rotation player (or players) for a minimum value player (or players) as replacements.
 
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Special K

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How much less than max did LBJ get? I could see Melo taking 2m less than max to live where he wants to be and play if he was a free agent and didn't like his other options on the market. I don't know what the taxes are like in NY but wasn't that a reason why LBJ picked the heat because of taxes were lower and he didn't lose that much by leaving the Cavs? Plus can't the knicks hook him up with endorsements that don't count in the cap? Again I go to LBJ but didn't the knicks present a 100M proposal through Nike if he was in NYC or am I not remembering correctly?

Cheers for the info I did forget about cap holds. I thought you could just completely renounce them though. I'm not the best with the CBA as most of my knowledge has come from forums and NBA 2K lol..

As for big men I would think they could get a guy like Kenyon Martin for the minimum. He is 34 and banged up, he could come off the bench for 10 - 20 a night. Guys like Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown, Chris Wilcox.. Maybe a Troy Murphy takes less money ala Mike Miller? Not saying these guys are world beaters but they help fill out a roster and can give you a little from the bench(not much but hey). I think they need a legit 5 though so Stoudemire can play the 4 and bring Gallo off the bench as 6th man.

Felton/Fields/Melo/Gallo/Stoudemire with some role players I think could get past an aging Boston next year. But I do agree they need more around them. If they got Billups and he doesn't take his option does he expire at the same time as CP3? If so they could use his EC as a chip to get CP3 but I really think they are dreaming on that one...

It should get done before the deadline though as I don't see Melo leaving money on the table if at all possible. I am shocked he hasn't shut down yet and sat at home Iverson style. He needs this done asap
 
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