New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Perth Red]

cheers, that puts to bed the theory advertising is anywhere close to the same value as subscriptions for PTV/Streaming

 

[The_Wookie]

Have you ever seen a revenue split for Foxtel/Kayo in terms of areas it generates its revenue in ie subscriptions, advertising, other?

Not specified per se, but the revenue generated is higher than the broadcast ARPU which *might* account for it

 

[Perth Red]

Not specified per se, but the revenue generated is higher than the broadcast ARPU which *might* account for it

whats ARPU stand for?

 

[MugaB]

whats ARPU stand for?

Average revenue per user

 

[Wb1234]

In terms of estimated revenue, Streamotion – the Foxtel-owned platform for Binge and sporting stream company Kayo – beat out Netflix with $15.1m in the past 12 months in Australia, compared to $12.3m for Netflix. Disney Plus was also estimated to beat out both, with $56.1m, followed by TikTok ($28m) and Amazon ($17.6m).

Australian streaming apps from TV brands chip away at Netflix dominance

Nine, ABC, Seven and Stan among top 10 most downloaded entertainment apps as Netflix slips to fourth spot after Disney+, Amazon and TikTok

www.theguardian.com

From report data

Foxtel
Quarter	Revenue	Paid Subs	Bcast ARPU	ARPU	Other?
Dec 22	$468,000,000	4,329,000	$83	$108	$108,693,000
Sept 22	$502,000,000	4,465,000	$83	$112	$131,405,000
June 22	$524,000,000	4,413,000	$83	$119	$157,721,000
Marc 22	$494,000,000	4,338,000	$82	$114	$138,284,000
Total	$1,988,000,000				$536,103,000
Stan
FY 21-22	Revenue	Paid Subs	Bcast ARPU	ARPU	Other?
June 22	$381,000,000	2,500,000		$152

How do they have so many paid subs yet their ratings are lucky to be 20 percent of this

people aren’t going to pay for it and not use it

 

[The_Wookie]

How do they have so many paid subs yet their ratings are lucky to be 20 percent of this

people aren’t going to pay for it and not use it

There a lot more than 20 programs a day on Foxtel.

 

[Wb1234]

There a lot more than 20 programs a day on Foxtel.

2 billion in revenue and their two biggest costs add up to 950 million

must be making a bit of coin even if they pay a lot for movies and docs

 

[Perth Red]

Average revenue per user

cheers

 

[titoelcolombiano]

What would a second New Zealand team call itself?

I cannot imagine the Warriors will drop "New Zealand" from their name. Nor can I see them reverting back to "Auckland".

Having two teams called New Zealand would be too confusing. If NZ2 is named after a small region like Wellington or Christchurch then it'll struggle for relevance.

Auckland cannot support two teams. That rules out bringing in a second team that's called "Auckland".

Does NZ2 go down the same route as the Redcliffe Dolphins and call itself "The"?

The Warriors have already dropped 'New Zealand' from the name. They are already called 'The' Warriors

 

[Perth Red]

The Warriors have already dropped 'New Zealand' from the name. They are already called 'The' Warriors

I think they are confused who they are lol. In news articles and press releases they call themselves 'the One New Zealand Warriors' after their sponsor. Other web areas and on jersey they call themselves just Warriors and on other things they still have NZ Warriors. Twitter account is 'One NZ Warriors@NZWarriors'. Their brand is a bit of a mess tbh

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think they are confused who they are lol. In news articles and press releases they call themselves 'the One New Zealand Warriors' after their sponsor. Other web areas and on jersey they call themselves just Warriors and on other things they still have NZ Warriors. Twitter account is 'One NZ Warriors@NZWarriors'. Their brand is a bit of a mess tbh

I think part of that is a result of Vodafone rebranding to One NZ- it was mainly Warriors or Vodafone Warriors before that. The change from Auckland to NZ happened with the change of club ownership in 2001, but the NZ part was quietly dropped or de-emphasised a while back. In practice they’re an Auckland team who draw support from other parts of the country too.

 

[Pippen94]

Not specified per se, but the revenue generated is higher than the broadcast ARPU which *might* account for it

So what % of revenue is from advertising?! In USA cable networks can have over 50%

 

[Wb1234]

One day this will be something like 80 percent of players

great stuff

 

[Te Kaha]

One day this will be something like 80 percent of players

great stuff

In a country with a population of over 90% "white" does this show a massive decline in local born players taking up the game? Is this the beginning of the end?

 

[Perth Red]

In a country with a population of over 90% "white" does this show a massive decline in local born players taking up the game? Is this the beginning of the end?

Like NFL it just shows some body types are better suited to high collision sports. Also RL attracts a certain social demographic from certain geographical areas which these population groups are higher represented in. Its neither good or bad, its just a combination of those two factors.

Unless you're hitting 90-100kg plus at 17 the chances of making it through the grades to NRL are growing ever smaller as the high collision size and strength way the game is played now demands certain sized players. Not many white kids are that size by that age is the reality.

 

[Te Kaha]

Like NFL it just shows some body types are better suited to high collision sports. Also RL attracts a certain social demographic from certain geographical areas which these population groups are higher represented in. Its neither good or bad, its just a combination of those two factors.

Unless you're hitting 90-100kg plus at 17 the chances of making it through the grades to NRL are growing ever smaller as the high collision size and strength way the game is played now demands certain sized players. Not many white kids are that size by that age is the reality.

That's very true, But what happens down the road when those players decide to play a game their children are more suited to? If 90% of the population can't play League will they turn to AFL? or Soccer? or like NZ, Basketball?

 

[Perth Red]

That's very true, But what happens down the road when those players decide to play a game their children are more suited to? If 90% of the population can't play League will they turn to AFL? or Soccer? or like NZ, Basketball?

They already are to some degree. Look at participation rates in lesser collision sports. At early jnr level its still quite mixed from what I've seen. Its when you hit 14+ the gap emerges.

 

[Gobsmacked]

In a country with a population of over 90% "white" does this show a massive decline in local born players taking up the game? Is this the beginning of the end?

That's very true, But what happens down the road when those players decide to play a game their children are more suited to? If 90% of the population can't play League will they turn to AFL? or Soccer? or like NZ, Basketball?

Blacks are overrepresented in basketball too. They are just built more athletic. I have an African American friend in the states who looks like he works out but actually does nothing and works in an office.
This is why the real untapped talent is in Jamaica and fiji

 

[Wb1234]

Blacks are overrepresented in basketball too. They are just built more athletic. I have an African American friend in the states who looks like he works out but actually does nothing and works in an office.
This is why the real untapped talent is in Jamaica and fiji

Hard to compete physically when they are 190 to 200 cm, weighing at 90 to 100 kgs plus and can run like the wind

 

[Perth Red]

Blacks are overrepresented in basketball too. They are just built more athletic. I have an African American friend in the states who looks like he works out but actually does nothing and works in an office.
This is why the real untapped talent is in Jamaica and fiji

And London! Id love for UKRL to get Govt funded to really focus on the London estates, stop the kids stabbing each other and get them playing RL!