New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pippen94]

Strawman alert.

Or they could play all the other sports that they have. They control sport broadcasting over there

In all likelihood NRL will take what they can get from NZ and in any case the next team most likely wouldn’t be picked because of Sky (why would they?) It’s insignificant in the whole scheme of things (you can do the maths if you want) They are more than likely going to be picked because either a) the Australian broadcasters see value in it or b) they think the long term view and say we’ll take the hit financially because we see the potential for player development over there.

If they get picked, I’ll be very happy - at least it’s not another team from NSW or even Qld. But at least be realistic about why they would be likely chosen.

Ur all over the place. Do u have cte?!

 

[Perth Red]

Omg Perth dead finally made a positive post

I need to lie down now

Haha have you taken me off ignore?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The thing nz2 offers is stronger international rl

so future world cups and test matches are worth more

it’s not just short term but longer term league wins

afl can’t do international expansion but the nrl can

The question is how much value does the NRL place in that
They don’t run the international game, and frankly I suspect they kinda think it’s a pain in the arse and threatens the status of Origin as their premium product

 

[Pippen94]

Omg Perth dead finally made a positive post

I need to lie down now

Nursing home allows him a shot of brandy on Sunday evenings

 

[Perth Red]

If pay TV wants Perth team then they have to fund it. We know they wanted brisbane2, but nothing has been said about perth

tv will be paying for the ninth game predominantly. I can actually see value in selling a Sunday 6pm game to fta rather than paytv, though we may well end up with a fta/streaming combined partner next deal if they actually go to market.
adding a new metro market of approaching 3million people you’d think would be of interest, especially to a different partner that would be going into battle against fox/kayo who would only have afl.
perth in that scenario becomes a really interesting battle front for a streaming war.
nz2 is strategic, not to maximise tv value. There’s many reasons strategically a nz2 club would be good for the game. Though if nrl would be willing to invest more than the grant and take a bigger risk in viability is questionable For nz2. They haven’t really shown any indications they want to do that.

 

[Pippen94]

nonsense. I’m watching dolphins on kayo and just spent 10mins looking at a blank screen saying on ad break back shortly lol. Kayo isn’t even screening all the fox ad breaks. 75% of the ads I have seen are for their own programming Not commercial products.

Us cable figures show that. Foxtel mostly likely around that.

 

[Wb1234]

The question is how much value does the NRL place in that
They don’t run the international game, and frankly I suspect they kinda think it’s a pain in the arse and threatens the status of Origin as their premium product

Nrl starting end of season internationals to add value to its tv deals from this year

bledisloe would make 50 million revenue for aus vs nz

whilst kiwis vs Roos would be lucky to be one million

that’s the kind of market nrl should be targeting

international league is where all the growth will come from

 

[Pippen94]

tv will be paying for the ninth game predominantly. I can actually see value in selling a Sunday 6pm game to fta rather than paytv, though we may well end up with a fta/streaming combined partner next deal if they actually go to market.
adding a new metro market of approaching 3million people you’d think would be of interest, especially to a different partner that would be going into battle against fox/kayo who would only have afl.
perth in that scenario becomes a really interesting battle front for a streaming war.
nz2 is strategic, not to maximise tv value. There’s many reasons strategically a nz2 club would be good for the game. Though if nrl would be willing to invest more than the grant and take a bigger risk in viability is questionable For nz2. They haven’t really shown any indications they want to do that.

NRL hasn't exactly shown any interest in propping up Perth either. Better hope there's no kiwi billionaire who loves league in wellington or south island lol!?

 

[Wb1234]

NRL hasn't exactly shown any interest in propping up Perth either. Better hope there's no kiwi billionaire who loves league in wellington or south island lol!?

Hahhahahahaaa

heck even if he was worth 100 million that would do it

 

[Colk]

Ur all over the place. Do u have cte?!

Are you projecting again? Obviously people writing in full sentences with proper grammar is a little hard for you to read and digest.

Maybe I need to write like a mental invalid like yourself for you to understand. Or be completely disingenuous like yourself.

 

[Perth Red]

Us cable figures show that. Foxtel mostly likely around that.

I’m sure Wookie can add more accurate data but a quick look suggests over $6billion is spent on subscriptions for streaming and ptv In australia a year and advertising revenue is around $1.8billion On those platforms.

 

[Pippen94]

Are you projecting again? Obviously people writing in full sentences with proper grammar is a little hard for you to read and digest.

Maybe I need to write like a metal invalid like yourself for you to understand. Or be completely disingenuous like yourself.

Don't mistake spelling with having a worthwhile argument. NRL bankrolling Perth team for 100k extra viewers should they make grand final & a handful of local juniors makes no sense

 

[Perth Red]

NRL hasn't exactly shown any interest in propping up Perth either. Better hope there's no kiwi billionaire who loves league in wellington or south island lol!?

ironically they have funded nrlwa more annually than nzrl lol. Not that’s it’s much to brag about, it’s still a pittance.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Don't mistake spelling with having a worthwhile argument. NRL bankrolling Perth team for 100k extra viewers should they make grand final & a handful of local juniors makes no sense

Man that sums it up perfectly.
That's literally what it is.
I've made the point before but there's probably more expat kiwis in Perth that watch league than people from Perth! You'll probably get better numbers in Perth with a NZ team! Seriously!

 

[Colk]

Don't mistaking spelling with having a worthwhile argument. NRL bankrolling Perth team for a 100k extra viewers should they make grand final & a handful of local juniors makes no sense

Firstly It’s don’t mistake spelling lol. Also a lack of grammar does indicate a lack of education which doesn’t necessarily help your argument.

Secondly, you have suggested multiple times that somebody else is an idiot or clueless, mainly because they don’t fit your rather narrow and conservative worldview. If you don’t like the shoe being on the other foot, so to speak, maybe you shouldn’t act or write in such a contumelious manner

Thirdly on to the crux of your post: Why are you suggesting that the NRL would be bankrolling them? No team, barring the Broncos, would have been sustainable on football operations alone and every club is backed by a wealthy leagues club or a multimillionaire/billionaire (the second scenario becoming more and more prominent). None of them are directly bankrolled by the NRL, outside of a grant that the clubs have negotiated and thus entitled to.

If a team from Perth is chosen it is because a) the government over there has found an individual or individuals to back it, b) the NRL have vetted the bid/location and they see it as financial sustainable and c) the broadcasters want it more than another NZ side.

You’ve essentially created a scenario that suits your agenda and then disingenuously have not applied those parameters to any other proposed location.

You’ve never once demanded that a second NZ side, or the North Sydney Bears, or any other location have private ownership or off field support when you know full well that any team would have to have that. It’s why your argument about the matter is complete bull****.

At least be honest and say I don’t want a team in Perth because I don’t like the area or it won’t produce players, rather than creating a scenario that is not likely to exist or applying arguments to one that you don’t apply to everybody else.

 

[Wb1234]

Honestly making fun of Perth is just so much fun

 

[Colk]

Honestly making fun of Perth is just so much fun

I can disagree with you mate but it is at least fun and you are not making up arguments for one and not applying them to others. There is a sort of consistency.

 

[Wb1234]

I can disagree with you mate but it is at least fun and you are not making up arguments for one and not applying them to others. There is a sort of consistency.

Pippens posts make me laugh especially seeing how much they trigger two of the biggest fools on this forum

dunno why he’s arguing with you if anything your probably a fan of nz 2

I still think Perth are favourites for team 18

what I want is irrelevant

But i hope the warriors do well and things change

 

[Perth Red]

I just wish the NRL had the money and the model to support new growth areas for the game. Then NZ2 would be a no brainer along with perth and probably Adelaide Bears, PNG and Brisbane3. A 20-22 team two conference competition is where wed probably be if SL hadn't happened.

 

[The Great Dane]

The question is how much value does the NRL place in that
They don’t run the international game, and frankly I suspect they kinda think it’s a pain in the arse and threatens the status of Origin as their premium product

They don't think it's a pain in the arse because of SOO. They think it's a pain in the arse because it's a high risk low return for them.

Any time an international is played it's on them to carry a significant amount of the risk and it's difficult, often impossible, for them to make a significant profit on it.

If Australia isn't playing it's basically impossible for them to make a profit, but they carry the risk of supplying most of the players and basically all the recognisable and star players. The Kangaroos don't even need to be involved and all it takes is for one or two star players to go down when, e.g., Samoa plays Tonga, and the NRL and their club take a financial hit in the coming season.

Internationals aren't going to become a large, sustainable, money spinner for the sport until the sport either comes up with some tangible way to compensate the clubs for the effects internationals can have on their businesses (IDK how you'd go about that in a fair and sustainable manner), or at least a couple more sustainable professional comps pop up around the world. Preferably ones that aren't reliant on Australia/the NRL to develop their talent, and are capable of producing their own household names.