New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

Now? This thread is a massive troll!

Thread topic is relevant

but people who know nothing about rugby league want to comment like they have a clue

then whiny Perth fans joined it because they are afraid of the competition

on just about every metric Perth loses to nz ie value to broadcasters, juniors, develop International rugby league, better travel times, ability to develop into a genuine rugby league club

 

[Pneuma]

Thread topic is relevant

but people who know nothing about rugby league want to comment like they have a clue

then whiny Perth fans joined it because they are afraid of the competition

on just about every metric Perth loses to nz ie value to broadcasters, juniors, develop International rugby league, better travel times, ability to develop into a genuine rugby league club

You are enjoying this too much hahahaha

 

[Wb1234]

You are enjoying this too much hahahaha

Am bored
Cbf watching this game These two teams bore me

and the only other decent show is lotr which I’ve seen a million times

might try and watch the sharks game that should be ok

 

[Te Kaha]

Now? This thread is a massive troll!

Of course it is. No rational person thinks NZ2 will be the next team in the NRL. It fails on every single metric.

Thread topic is relevant

but people who know nothing about rugby league want to comment like they have a clue

The Irony in this post is off the scale..... Old Wally being unintentionally ironic.

 

[Perth Red]

on just about every metric Perth loses to nz ie value to broadcasters, juniors, develop International rugby league, better travel times, ability to develop into a genuine rugby league club

Only in your head, back in the real world club 18 is going to perth if the nrl has got any sense at all

 

[Iamback]

Only in your head, back in the real world club 18 is going to perth if the nrl has got any sense at all

It isn't that simple

 

[Wb1234]

It isn't that simple

If any bid does come out of nz organically then Perth is in a lot of trouble

perths best chance is nz does nothing whilst their govt works on their bid

the nightmare scenario is nz govt backing a bid and the bears playing the trump card

 

[Te Kaha]

If any bid does come out of nz organically then Perth is in a lot of trouble

perths best chance is nz does nothing whilst their govt works on their bid

the nightmare scenario is nz govt backing a bid and the bears playing the trump card

BAHAHAHAHA now THAT is the single most stupid thing stated in this thread. Government help with a bid??? You have got to be kidding... nobody is seriously THAT stupid.

There is LESS than zero chance of ANY NZ government "working" on a bid for a team in the NRL. And any government funding would cause a riot. There is always complaints about the level of SportNZ funding as it is. Not a chance in hell they will put any money in for an NRL team.

I've said from the begining you and your circle jerking mate know nothing about NZ, and you just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Perth Red]

It isn't that simple

Things rarely are

 

[Perth Red]

If any bid does come out of nz organically then Perth is in a lot of trouble

perths best chance is nz does nothing whilst their govt works on their bid

the nightmare scenario is nz govt backing a bid and the bears playing the trump card

Its not a nightmare, if its not to be Perth Im quite happy to see a successful NZ2 club in the NRL. How on earth they can be set up to be successful with the current NRL thinking that they dont need to invest anything in new clubs is the big question mark over it all.

I think the harebrained notion that some have that you can have a club spanning two or three smaller cities, largely because we all know being based in one of the cities isnt viable, shows that there are serious question marks over funding for a NZ2 side. If they can tick that box and the NRL believes it wont be detrimental to the next Australian TV deal then they are certainly in with a shot.

End of day as I've said many times before it will come down to the following criteria, probably in this order:
1. Value to TV and overall sponsorship revenue for NRL - they want to make as much money as they can or they risk falling so far behind AFL revenue level the results will be unthinkable
2. Club viability - NRL doesnt want to have to pump anymore than the grant in, dumb if you ask me but that's their mentality (in this comes fanbase, corporates support, stadium quality and deal, ownership wealth and Govt support)
3. NRL strategy- whats its most important strategy? to become an Australian national comp or to spread the game in NZ
4. Building a competitive team - close to point 2 is can the club recruit/develop players to be competitive. Nothing will put a club in financial trouble like wooden spoons year after year.
5. Existing clubs acceptance. NRL cannot expand unless the 17 current clubs agree. Would Australian clubs rather see Perth or Wellington? Would the Warriors kick up a fuss given their meagre success since inception?

Travel has been mentioned by some but that wont come into it. It takes longer to fly from Wellington to East coast (with international check in time) than it does from Perth, and cost is the same.

I think the NRL will be pondering on these things now in how it deals with Club 18, or at least I hope they are!

 

[Wb1234]

FMD that’s actually a good post

 

[Perth Red]

FMD that’s actually a good post

I have my moments lol
On here is just pissing in the wind between fans with strong opinions.
End of day NRL will decide where, then who. Both NZ2 and Perth have pros and cons but either will at least be genuine expansion of the game.
As long as we dont end up with Brisbane3 or NSW Bears (in fact Bears anywhere under their current demands) then it will be good for the growth of the game hopefully.

As far as bid viability goes they will have to show:
1. A realistic chance of achieving an active fanbase of 15k attendance avg and 20k membership base ( we know from others this will give a fan revenue in the $6-8million range)
2. Strong chance of achieving at least $6mill in sponsors and corporate sales
3. A stadium deal that is beneficial to them in expenses and revenue
4, What other support or funds they will have that will benefit the club and the game
5. Some level of financial security from the bid team in case of hard times

That is why I consider Perth, at the moment at least, in the driving seat. We look like we can tick those boxes and then some. NZ2 have some work to do to tick those boxes unless there is a genuine bid team not yet announced with a strong masterplan. There was that samoan ex NFL players bid team a few years ago who went after Warriors ownership, be interesting to know if they are still active?

 

[Pneuma]

FMD that’s actually a good post

Quiet question WB. Just between you and me, is this thread partly at least a good excuse to annoy PR? If so it bloody works a treat!

 

[Wb1234]

Quiet question WB. Just between you and me, is this thread partly at least a good excuse to annoy PR? If so it bloody works a treat!

Nope

when the op started this I was wondering what the response would be from kiwi rugby league fans

sadly not many of them actually responded in this thread

their thoughts on where the team should be based and if using multiple cities could work would’ve been interesting

like I believe the dolphins will harm the lions and afl in qld, I always thought a second nz side would greatly weaken an already vulnerable rugby union

 

[Pneuma]

Nope

when the op started this I was wondering what the response would be from kiwi rugby league fans

sadly not many of them actually responded in this thread

their thoughts on where the team should be based and if using multiple cities could work would’ve been interesting

like I believe the dolphins will harm the lions and afl in qld, I always thought a second nz side would greatly weaken an already vulnerable rugby union

Well it does anyway so that’ll do me!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Were you dropped on your head as a child? It would explain your lack of intelligence.

The midwife who delivered him must have been the mother of an AwFuL player!

I have my moments lol
On here is just pissing in the wind between fans with strong opinions.
End of day NRL will decide where, then who. Both NZ2 and Perth have pros and cons but either will at least be genuine expansion of the game.
As long as we dont end up with Brisbane3 or NSW Bears (in fact Bears anywhere under their current demands) then it will be good for the growth of the game hopefully.

As far as bid viability goes they will have to show:
1. A realistic chance of achieving an active fanbase of 15k attendance avg and 20k membership base ( we know from others this will give a fan revenue in the $6-8million range)
2. Strong chance of achieving at least $6mill in sponsors and corporate sales
3. A stadium deal that is beneficial to them in expenses and revenue
4, What other support or funds they will have that will benefit the club and the game
5. Some level of financial security from the bid team in case of hard times

That is why I consider Perth, at the moment at least, in the driving seat. We look like we can tick those boxes and then some. NZ2 have some work to do to tick those boxes unless there is a genuine bid team not yet announced with a strong masterplan. There was that samoan ex NFL players bid team a few years ago who went after Warriors ownership, be interesting to know if they are still active?

The only viable options are Perth and Brisbane 3.

Gosford and Rockhampton are no chance.

New Zealand 2 needs a strong consortium with deep pockets. None exists at the moment.

My guess is we'll get Perth as the 18th team. The competition won't expand again for at least a decade.

 

[Brian potter]

Crowd in Christchurch was very encouraging especially for a trial game.

don’t think the kiwis have pulled a crowd like that in the past or I maybe wrong. Either way it’s something to build on and hopefully a wealthy backer or consortium can be found to put in a bid for the 18th team.

 

[Perth Red]

Crowd in Christchurch was very encouraging especially for a trial game.

don’t think the kiwis have pulled a crowd like that in the past or I maybe wrong. Either way it’s something to build on and hopefully a wealthy backer or consortium can be found to put in a bid for the 18th team.

Looked less than 9k for dolphins first ever home game. Maybe Christchurch should have been team 17 lol.

 

[Brian potter]

Looked less than 9k for dolphins first ever home game. Maybe Christchurch should have been team 17 lol.

Probably would have been if they had any financial backing.

 

[Iamback]

If any bid does come out of nz organically then Perth is in a lot of trouble

perths best chance is nz does nothing whilst their govt works on their bid

the nightmare scenario is nz govt backing a bid and the bears playing the trump card

Doesn't even need to be govt. NZRL backing a bid will allow the changes needed for a viable team over there