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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Perth Red

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Pacifika Cyclones - Capturing the colours of the PI's with the national colours of PNG.

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Te Kaha

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Firstly mate, they have been to the islands. If you missed it, both Tonga and Samoa were greeted to a heroes welcome on the islands after their respective feats at the last two world cups. Secondly, their parents aren't considered to be Tongan or Samoan... they are.

The Korean bloke with one Japanese parent... 50/50... the Kiwis, Aussies, South Africans and Tongans??? lol

*facepalm* .. most of them went to the Islands for the first time AFTER they were in the world cup. And if you want to get accurate, Quite a few AREN'T Samoan, or Tongan, legally, they are culturally.

Tongan nationality law is regulated by the 1875 Constitution of Tonga, as amended; the Nationality Act, and its revisions; and international agreements entered into by the government of Tonga.[1][2] These laws determine who is, or is eligible to be, a national of Tonga. The legal means to acquire nationality, formal legal membership in a nation, differ from the domestic relationship of rights and obligations between a national and the nation, known as citizenship.[3][4] Tongan nationality is typically obtained either on the principle of jus soli, i.e. by birth in Tonga or under the rules of jus sanguinis, i.e. by birth abroad to parents with Tongan nationality.[5] It can be granted to persons who have lived in the country for a specific period of time, or who have an affiliation to the country through naturalisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_nationality_law#:~:text=Tongan nationality is typically obtained,to parents with Tongan nationality.

Samoan nationality law is regulated by the 1962 Constitution of Samoa, as amended; the Citizenship Act 2004, and its revisions; the Citizenship Investment Act 2015; and international agreements entered into by the Samoan government.[1][2][3] These laws determine who is, or is eligible to be, a national of Samoa. The legal means to acquire nationality, formal legal membership in a nation, differ from the domestic relationship of rights and obligations between a national and the nation, known as citizenship.[4][5] Samoan nationality is typically obtained either on the principle of jus soli (by birth in Samoa) or under the rules of jus sanguinis (by birth abroad to parents with Samoan nationality).[6] It can be granted to persons who have lived in the country for a specific period of time, who have contributed to the country's development, or who have an affiliation to the country through naturalisation.[7]

Meanwhile....

Japanese nationality can be acquired in three ways: birth, notification, and naturalization.
1 Birth (Article 2 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
 (1) If the father or mother is a Japanese national at the time of birth.
 (2) If the father died before the child’s birth and was a Japanese national at the time of death.
 (3) If born in Japan and both of the parents are unknown or are without nationality.
2  Notification (Article 3 and Article 17 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
 Acquisition of nationality by notification is a system where those who meet certain requirements acquire Japanese nationality by notifying the Minister of Justice.
 (1) Acquisition of nationality by acknowledged children
 (2) Reacquisition of nationality by a person who has not retained Japanese nationality at birth
 (3) other
3 Naturalization (Article 4 through Article 9 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
Naturalization is a system that gives Japanese nationality, with the permission of the Minister of Justice, to those who wish to acquire Japanese nationality.

The Japanese government considers them Japanese.

A racist, rugby hating fool on an internet message board doesn't. I'm sure it's obvious who is right, and it ain't you.
 
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Te Kaha

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Their true colours come out when pressed mate. And yes, I've been called a Union hater. Absolutely correct, and I wear it as a badge of honour. But I'm here on a RL forum, I'm not on a RU forum throwing shit as they are in reverse.

See more bullshit from you. Nobody is throwing shit at League, they are just pointing out your obvious hypocrisy and racism.
 

Te Kaha

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Pacifika Bears based in Wellington? 2 games NSO 4 games in Port Moresby 4 Wellington 2 Christchurch. Ticks Aus Govt funding need and NRL NZ2 need. Possible or a really dumb concept?

Seems it just slightly less dumb than basing a FT PNG team in Cairns.

I'm sure the wellington public will get behind that... not.
 

Perth Red

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I'm sure the wellington public will get behind that... not.
Some would, in same way I guess some kiwis have got behind the Moana Pacifika Union team based in Auckland? I mean sure they are nearly giving memberships away but someone must be following them?

and when the Aus Govt money runs out they can become a proper NZ2.
 

Te Kaha

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Some would, in same way I guess some kiwis have got behind the Moana Pacifika Union team based in Auckland? I mean sure they are nearly giving memberships away but someone must be following them?

and when the Aus Govt money runs out they can become a proper NZ2.

Auckland has the biggest "pacifica" population in the world, Wellington does not.
 

Colk

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F@!k me, you couldn't get more Japanese if you tried - lol

Mate you are sounding a little xenophobic to be quite honest. They might have spent a majority of their life in Japan even if they don’t look Asian. They also probably speak fluent Japanese for all you know and are culturally assimilated.

As a hypothetical, would you say that somebody who has lived in Australia for say five to ten years but not born here is not Australian enough? It’s a pretty slippery slope you are going on. Nationhood is a very fluid thing nowadays - as it should be.
 

Wb1234

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Mate you are sounding a little xenophobic to be quite honest. They might have spent a majority of their life in Japan even if they don’t look Asian. They also probably speak fluent Japanese for all you know and are culturally assimilated.

As a hypothetical, would you say that somebody who has lived in Australia for say five to ten years but not born here is not Australian enough? It’s a pretty slippery slope you are going on. Nationhood is a very fluid thing nowadays - as it should be.
Who cares if they look Samoan kiwi or Aussie they are true blue Japanese they love sushi
 

Gobsmacked

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Mate you are sounding a little xenophobic to be quite honest. They might have spent a majority of their life in Japan even if they don’t look Asian. They also probably speak fluent Japanese for all you know and are culturally assimilated.

As a hypothetical, would you say that somebody who has lived in Australia for say five to ten years but not born here is not Australian enough? It’s a pretty slippery slope you are going on. Nationhood is a very fluid thing nowadays - as it should be.
You're really only speaking to the west. We are proped up by high imagination, as is USA , England ect..
But when you go to Japan.. people look pretty f**king Japanese buddy ! So not the same thing.
 

macca_saint

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Some would, in same way I guess some kiwis have got behind the Moana Pacifika Union team based in Auckland? I mean sure they are nearly giving memberships away but someone must be following them?

and when the Aus Govt money runs out they can become a proper NZ2.
Bit different when it’s a revived Sydney side from 25 years ago whose heart still lies in North Sydney.
 

macca_saint

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I think the announcement that we're going to 20 teams makes NZ2 a certainty 😎 but it might also mean a NZ3... which would deal a massive blow to Super Rugby 😎
Is this such a good idea when the Warriors have been an absolute basket case for the majority of their existence?
 

Matua

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Yes, they are national teams and the players playing for them are eligible for those national teams under the parent and grandparent rule available to players in any sport. And yes, cultural ties through your family is much more legitimate than Aussies, Kiwis, South African rugby players qualifying through residency for Japan.
Except it's not. Eligibility is eligibility, whether it's because you've lived in a country for 15 years or you have one grandmother born on an island in the Pacific you've never been to.
 

Gobsmacked

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Is this such a good idea when the Warriors have been an absolute basket case for the majority of their existence?
It's irrelevant. That's It's own franchise. Like saying the Broncos are going shit so let's not put another team in Brisbane.
It helps when teams perform on the field but it really is a small part in the scheme of things.
The right franchise doesn't rely on on field performance.
Sky NZ are currently 30 million meaning the Warriors are a net benefit to the NRL to the tune of 15 million a year on NZ broadcast deal... alone!
There's a massive market for kiwis who haven't been captured by the Warriors, the Warriors are based in Auckland and were even called that for a number of years , have performed badly... and still pull 30 million. A second NZ team will engage a massive fan base and the returns could be massive.
Also brings the comp up to a truly international one and will push the kiwis along and help the international game!
A second NZ team will be massive!
And deal a massive blow to NZ rugby 🤫🤣
 

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