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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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Colk

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Gobsmacked said:
How about. Yeah shit now I think about it, people who's ancestors were samurai.. are kinda actual Japanese 🤷‍♂️
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See the logical trapdoor you fall under. Are you assuming that all Asian looking people who live in Japan are Japanese? Do you not know there is a massive difference between Japanese. Korean and Chinese?
 
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Gobsmacked

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Colk said:
See the logical trapdoor you fall under. Are you assuming that all Asian looking people who live in Japan are Japanese? Do you not know there is a massive difference between Japanese. Korean and Chinese?
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Of course but not as great as the difference between Japanese and Irish...
 
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titoelcolombiano said:
I didn't say that the Tongans and Samoans aren't also Aussie / Kiwi. They are, absolutely. Their ancestry and culture are completely Tongan / Samoan though and I'm not really sure how you can deny it. Very different to Kiwis, Tongans, South Africans and Aussies pretending to be Japanese.

From your posts on here you seem like a smart guy, this isn't hard to grasp mate.
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Can I be really honest with you; I'm not interested in exploring loony ideas of culture being intrinsically linked to race.

It's not that I'm struggling to understand them, or that I've never encountered these ideas before, it's that they're racist trash that doesn't stand up to even minimal levels of criticism.
 
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The Great Dane said:
Can I be really honest with you; I'm not interested in exploring loony ideas of culture being intrinsically linked to race.

It's not that I'm struggling to understand them, or that I've never encountered these ideas before, it's that they're racist trash that doesn't stand up to even minimal levels of criticism.
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Racism exists in the space of treating people differently according to race.
Understanding the difference and coulter of thousands of years of ancestry ISN'T Racism, it's knowledge.
The Racism drum has been beaten so much for so long, people have no idea what it actually is anymore.
 
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The Great Dane

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Gobsmacked said:
Racism exists in the space of treating people differently according to race.
Understanding the difference and coulter of thousands of years of ancestry ISN'T Racism, it's knowledge.
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That's objectively not what he's doing.
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The Racism drum has been beaten so much for so long, people have no idea what it actually is anymore.
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I totally agree.

The crying wolf is probably a large part of the reason why you can't see the insidious ideas he is espousing for what they are.
 
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Te Kaha

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Gobsmacked said:
It's irrelevant. That's It's own franchise. Like saying the Broncos are going shit so let's not put another team in Brisbane.
It helps when teams perform on the field but it really is a small part in the scheme of things.
The right franchise doesn't rely on on field performance.
Sky NZ are currently 30 million meaning the Warriors are a net benefit to the NRL to the tune of 15 million a year on NZ broadcast deal... alone!
There's a massive market for kiwis who haven't been captured by the Warriors, the Warriors are based in Auckland and were even called that for a number of years , have performed badly... and still pull 30 million. A second NZ team will engage a massive fan base and the returns could be massive.
Also brings the comp up to a truly international one and will push the kiwis along and help the international game!
A second NZ team will be massive!
And deal a massive blow to NZ rugby 🤫🤣
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It's amazing how much bullshit you can fit into one post. At least you are posting under your main account. The Warriors and the NRL pull abut $20 a year from Sky, Spark TV caused that to increase by $10 mill. That wont happen next time.
NZ2 will not "pull a massive fan base". The NRL outside of the Warriors only pulls 50 odd K pr game. NZ2 wont have anywhere near the hype that the Warriors had to start with.
And it's even funnier you idiots think there will be 20 teams in the near future. It's clear to anyone with more than half a brain that it was nothing more than dangling bait in the water to see who will bite. Funnily enough WA immediately did. Guess where there was not so much as a token bite. That's right, here. There are zero credible NZ bids. Even Chalmers didn't say anything, and given he will shout out at the drop of a hat it shows the real intent.
 
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The Realist

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The Great Dane said:
Can I be really honest with you; I'm not interested in exploring loony ideas of culture being intrinsically linked to race.

It's not that I'm struggling to understand them, or that I've never encountered these ideas before, it's that they're racist trash that doesn't stand up to even minimal levels of criticism.
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Aghhh except for the fact that culture is intrinsically linked to race in the vast majority of cases and throughout most of human history. Just because you can point to exceptions doesn't mean broadly speaking it isn't true.

If saying so makes me a 'racist' then IDGAF.
 
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The Realist said:
Aghhh except for the fact that culture is intrinsically linked to race in the vast majority of cases and throughout most of human history. Just because you can point to exceptions doesn't mean broadly speaking it isn't true.

If saying so makes me a 'racist' then IDGAF.
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It doesn't necessarily make you a racist, lots of good people hold bad ideas for all sorts of reasons, but in this case it does make you pretty dumb frankly.

Race is the biological attributes of each group of people. Cultures are social constructs built overtime comprising the rules and practices that the people of each society follow. In other words, and admittedly simplifying a bit, race is what we are, culture comprises who we are.

Unless you're going to argue that people inherit complex behavioural traits by the nature of their race, which has been proven time and time again to not be true and generally where the racists enter the chat, there isn't a significant connection between a person's race and their culture. If there was you wouldn't expect such diversity of cultures within races for a start.

But let me ask you this question. Do you really believe that if a, e.g., Caucasian English family was to swap a child with an Asian Japanese family at birth, that the Asian child would still grow up to be Japanese and the Caucasian child English?

Obviously they wouldn't because they'd never have the chance to be taught the cultural norms of their biological family, but, broadly speaking, and whether you realise it or not, by saying culture is intrinsically linked to race you're effectively saying that those babies are biologically destined to grow up as Japanese and English respectively by the nature of their race.
 
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Pippen94

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The Great Dane said:
It doesn't necessarily make you a racist, lots of good people hold bad ideas for all sorts of reasons, but in this case it does make you pretty dumb frankly.

Race is the biological attributes of each group of people. Cultures are social constructs built overtime comprising the rules and practices that the people of each society follow. In other words, and admittedly simplifying a bit, race is what we are, culture comprises who we are.

Unless you're going to argue that people inherit complex behavioural traits by the nature of their race, which has been proven time and time again to not be true and generally where the racists enter the chat, there isn't a significant connection between a person's race and their culture. If there was you wouldn't expect such diversity of cultures within races for a start.

But let me ask you this question. Do you really believe that if a, e.g., Caucasian English family was to swap a child with an Asian Japanese family at birth, that the Asian child would still grow up to be Japanese and the Caucasian child English?

Obviously they wouldn't because they'd never have the chance to be taught the cultural norms of their biological family, but, broadly speaking, and whether you realise it or not, by saying culture is intrinsically linked to race you're effectively saying that those babies are biologically destined to grow up as Japanese and English respectively by the nature of their race.
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Perth red might be senile but at least he's not a complete bigot like this guy lol
 
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