New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[titoelcolombiano]

No i haven't been to Argentina, which is why i linked people who were actually born, raised and live there. So they might have a touch more knowledge than you.

According to the the Japanese Government Michael Leitch IS Japanese. They granted him citizenship despite yout hypocritical failings.
Koo Ji-won IS Japanese despite being born in Korea. You are so full of shit.

Koreans and Aussies aren't Japanese

 

[Wb1234]

When the Japanese mens play nz or Tonga in union the Japanese side probably get confused which anthem to sing

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It's all irrelevant though. Each player qualifies for the team they're playing for, that's all that matters.

Is a Samoan heritage player who has never been to Samoa (remembering Samoa is the nation state he is representing, he's not representing the culture of Samoa) really more "Samoan" than Michael Leitch is "Japanese", a guy who has lived more than half his life in Japan, speaks fluent Japanese, and has Japanese children?

Yeah, that's awesome for the Japanese team, they've done well. I'm not disputing that. I'm just happily pointing out that the team is propped up by non-Japanese players. An Aussie guy with Aussie parents is not Japanese.

It's not the same thing with Samoa & Tonga in RL. I don't see anyone saying they aren't Aussie / Kiwi born, but there is absolutely no way to deny their Tongan / Samoan heritage.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah, that's awesome for the Japanese team, they've done well. I'm not disputing that. I'm just happily pointing out that the team is propped up by non-Japanese players. An Aussie guy with Aussie parents is not Japanese.

It's not the same thing with Samoa & Tonga in RL. I don't see anyone saying they aren't Aussie / Kiwi born, but there is absolutely no way to deny their Tongan / Samoan heritage.

Buddy there seems no shortage of people here who want to defend union

but your spot on

those islanders stick out for Japan

nobody is really fooled

 

[Te Kaha]

Koreans and Aussies aren't Japanese

So a Tongan or Samoan who has never been to those Islands but has a grandparent who has, IS considered to be Tongan or Samoan, but a Japanese person born in Korea to a Japanese born parent and raised from 2 IN Japan is not Japanese according to you.... That's not just hypocritical, it's just plain stupid, and sounding more than a little racist.

 

[MugaB]

So a Tongan or Samoan who has never been to those Islands but has a grandparent who has IS considered to be Tongan or Samoan, but a Japanese person born in Korea to a Japanese born parent and raised from 2 IN Japan is not Japanese according to you.... That's not just hypocritical, it's just plain stupid, and sounding more than a little racist.

Agreed.
What are we all talking about, who cares where you are raised, or born if the critreia for Union or league says you have to be affiliated by a ethnicity, and you are then thats, that.
No one should be judging whos team is more home grown or not, its a BS argument and totally racist in some respects, you might be full blooded or 1/4, its not the right thing to focus on... that my two cents
Eligibility rules are there to favor the code not the country, if union want a certain quota or league are loose and fast with theirs or vice versa then so be it

 

[Matua]

Yeah, that's awesome for the Japanese team, they've done well. I'm not disputing that. I'm just happily pointing out that the team is propped up by non-Japanese players. An Aussie guy with Aussie parents is not Japanese.

It's not the same thing with Samoa & Tonga in RL. I don't see anyone saying they aren't Aussie / Kiwi born, but there is absolutely no way to deny their Tongan / Samoan heritage.

You purposely ignoring the point? They are national teams, not cultural teams, the Samoan and Tongan teams are propped up by players from the nation states of NZ and Australia. Now that is fine, but it is still eligibility via a method other than being born and raised in the nation state they are representing. The Japanese rugby team has more born and raised players than Samoa or Tonga have. (But as I said above this is all silly, all the players in both codes are eligible).

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Te Kaha]

Agreed.
What are we all talking about, who cares where you are raised, or born if the critreia for Union or league says you have to be affiliated by a ethnicity, and you are then thats, that.
No one should be judging whos team is more home grown or not, its a BS argument and totally racist in some respects, you might be full blooded or 1/4, its not the right thing to focus on... that my two cents
Eligibility rules are there to favor the code not the country, if union want a certain quota or league are loose and fast with theirs or vice versa then so be it

Exactly. I really don't understand the "logic" in his argument. Two NZ born players, spent their teenage years in Japan, one has got citizenship, one is almost there. Both were asked if they would like to play in NZ to be eligible for the All Blacks, both turned it down and wished to play for their adopted country. To say they aren't Japanese because they weren't born there or have "heritage" there is xenophobic and more than a little racist.

 

[MugaB]

Exactly. I really don't understand the "logic" in his argument. Two NZ born players, spent their teenage years in Japan, one has got citizenship, one is almost there. Both were asked if they would like to play in NZ to be eligible for the All Blacks, both turned it down and wished to play for their adopted country. To say they aren't Japanese because they weren't born there or have "heritage" there is xenophobic and more than a little racist.

I absolutely agree and also don't care, im sick of catching up on the expansion forums to find this boring argumentative thread still going, between RU fans and delusional League fans, this thread should be binned, its not informative, nor does it talk ABOUT expansion, its just a pissing contest between NZRU and NRL... .


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[Matua]

I absolutely agree and also don't care, im sick of catching up on the expansion forums to find this boring argumentative thread still going, between RU fans and delusional League fans, this thread should be binned, its not informative, nor does it talk ABOUT expansion, its just a pissing contest between NZRU and NRL... .


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Slight correction: Fans who enjoy both sports and are from the country in question, and delusional league fans.

 

[MugaB]

Slight correction: Fans who enjoy both sports and are from the country in question, and delusional league fans.

No i am right, i did say delusional league fans, you can be both... im sure youll watch or bet on vickykicky aswell

 

[Matua]

No i am right, i did say delusional league fans, you can be both... im sure youll watch or bet on vickykicky aswell

I assume vickykicky is AFL? Nope, it's league and rugby only for me and I don't gamble.

TBF, I'm still supporting the Warriors so in that regard I likely do meet the criteria of delusional.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You purposely ignoring the point? They are national teams, not cultural teams, the Samoan and Tongan teams are propped up by players from the nation states of NZ and Australia. Now that is fine, but it is still eligibility via a method other than being born and raised in the nation state they are representing. The Japanese rugby team has more born and raised players than Samoa or Tonga have. (But as I said above this is all silly, all the players in both codes are eligible).

Yes, they are national teams and the players playing for them are eligible for those national teams under the parent and grandparent rule available to players in any sport. And yes, cultural ties through your family is much more legitimate than Aussies, Kiwis, South African rugby players qualifying through residency for Japan.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

So a Tongan or Samoan who has never been to those Islands but has a grandparent who has, IS considered to be Tongan or Samoan, but a Japanese person born in Korea to a Japanese born parent and raised from 2 IN Japan is not Japanese according to you.... That's not just hypocritical, it's just plain stupid, and sounding more than a little racist.

Firstly mate, they have been to the islands. If you missed it, both Tonga and Samoa were greeted to a heroes welcome on the islands after their respective feats at the last two world cups. Secondly, their parents aren't considered to be Tongan or Samoan... they are.

The Korean bloke with one Japanese parent... 50/50... the Kiwis, Aussies, South Africans and Tongans??? lol

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Buddy there seems no shortage of people here who want to defend union

but your spot on

those islanders stick out for Japan

nobody is really fooled

Their true colours come out when pressed mate. And yes, I've been called a Union hater. Absolutely correct, and I wear it as a badge of honour. But I'm here on a RL forum, I'm not on a RU forum throwing shit as they are in reverse.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

F@!k me, you couldn't get more Japanese if you tried - lol

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Exactly. I really don't understand the "logic" in his argument. Two NZ born players, spent their teenage years in Japan, one has got citizenship, one is almost there. Both were asked if they would like to play in NZ to be eligible for the All Blacks, both turned it down and wished to play for their adopted country. To say they aren't Japanese because they weren't born there or have "heritage" there is xenophobic and more than a little racist.

Two - lol, there are a lot more than two foreigners propping up that joke of a team. And you are right, it is what it is, they are eligible under the rules. But you are the one of the ones pushing the falsehood that it is a fair dinkum Japanese team

 

[Perth Red]

Pacifika Bears based in Wellington? 2 games NSO 4 games in Port Moresby 4 Wellington 2 Christchurch. Ticks Aus Govt funding need and NRL NZ2 need. Possible or a really dumb concept?

Seems it just slightly less dumb than basing a FT PNG team in Cairns.

 

[Wb1234]

Their true colours come out when pressed mate. And yes, I've been called a Union hater. Absolutely correct, and I wear it as a badge of honour. But I'm here on a RL forum, I'm not on a RU forum throwing shit as they are in reverse.

Spot on

well said