New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Brian potter]

All New Zealand stupor rugby derby clash still fails to attract a crowd.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

All New Zealand stupor rugby derby clash still fails to attract a crowd.

That crowd does look terrible. I lived in Dunedin 25 years ago and back then that game would’ve pulled a good crowd at the old Carisbrook ground, Super Rugby really seems to have lost its crowd appeal.
Also I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who finds Forsyth Barr stadium a really visually unappealing place, it’s got all the charm of an aircraft hangar. I wonder if the broadcasting is located in the same side of the stadium as the majority of the seating so it’s out of view? If so it’s not a great look.

 

[Brian potter]

That crowd does look terrible. I lived in Dunedin 25 years ago and back then that game would’ve pulled a good crowd at the old Carisbrook ground, Super Rugby really seems to have lost its crowd appeal.
Also I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who finds Forsyth Barr stadium a really visually unappealing place, it’s got all the charm of an aircraft hangar. I wonder if the broadcasting is located in the same side of the stadium as the majority of the seating so it’s out of view? If so it’s not a great look.

It’s been said thousands of times on here but it needs saying again that super rugby lost a huge part of its competitive edge when the South African teams pulled up stumps and headed to Europe.

Add to that the rapid decline of rugby union in Australia and you’ve got the perfect storm for a competition in crisis and in a seemingly unstoppable death spiral.

 

[Gobsmacked]

It’s been said thousands of times on here but it needs saying again that super rugby lost a huge part of its competitive edge when the South African teams pulled up stumps and headed to Europe.

Add to that the rapid decline of rugby union in Australia and you’ve got the perfect storm for a competition in crisis and in a seemingly unstoppable death spiral.

Pack em in Melbourne...

 

[Wb1234]

It’s been said thousands of times on here but it needs saying again that super rugby lost a huge part of its competitive edge when the South African teams pulled up stumps and headed to Europe.

Add to that the rapid decline of rugby union in Australia and you’ve got the perfect storm for a competition in crisis and in a seemingly unstoppable death spiral.

They were forced out

first super rugby forced out one team (think it was the lions) then their were complaints about the time zones so the other south African teams followed suit

Australia three teams was perfect for them. Five diluted it so that they became cannon fodder to the kiwis

should have left it at 12 teams now the whole comp will end up dieing off one day in its current format

 

[Brian potter]

They were forced out

why? To allow teams from Japan and Argentina in?

first super rugby forced out one team (think it was the lions) then their were complaints about the time zones so the other south African teams followed suit

complaints from South Africa?

Australia three teams was perfect for them. Five diluted it so that they became cannon fodder to the kiwis

exactly. They obviously don’t have the talent depth for 5 teams.

should have left it at 12 teams now the whole comp will end up dieing off one day in its current format

what a shame.

 

[Wb1234]

why? To allow teams from Japan and Argentina in?

complaints from South Africa?

exactly. They obviously don’t have the talent depth for 5 teams.

what a shame.

South Africa wanted to add another team and the kiwis and Aussies complained (think this was before Japan or Argentina when it was 12 teams)

after a year in the comp they were forced out to the union comp with wales Scotland (what’s that called ? )

Japan was added but never got a cut of the tv money (remind you of anyone lol )

The Aussies and kiwis were complaining about the sa time zone and the travel

12 teams was a very successful competition

Aussie clubs were averaging 20 to 30k. Compared to 5k now lol

 

[Wb1234]

why? To allow teams from Japan and Argentina in?

complaints from South Africa?

exactly. They obviously don’t have the talent depth for 5 teams.

what a shame.

New Zealand blamed for South African teams exiting Super Rugby to play in Europe - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

they blame the kiwis for basically forcing them out

 

[Brian potter]

South Africa wanted to add another team and the kiwis and Aussies complained (think this was before Japan or Argentina when it was 12 teams)

bad call. Should’ve dropped a Aussie team instead.

after a year in the comp they were forced out to the union comp with wales Scotland (what’s that called ? )

celtic league I think.

Ce
Japan was added but never got a cut of the tv money (remind you of anyone lol )

haha!! Good to see that it’s not only the NRL and super league run by knuckle draggers.

The Aussies and kiwis were complaining about the sa time zone and the travel

bet they wouldnt complain anymore.

12 teams was a very successful competition

perfect number for union considering the population of NZ and the strength of club RU in Australia.

Aussie clubs were averaging 20 to 30k. Compared to 5k now lol

and were pretty competitive as well.

 

[Brian potter]

New Zealand blamed for South African teams exiting Super Rugby to play in Europe - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

they blame the kiwis for basically forcing them out

So there was at least one positive to come out of Covid19.

 

[MugaB]

So there was at least one positive to come out of Covid19.

Whats Australia's excuse?

 

[Perth Red]

NRL SUICIDE’: LATEST BLOW TO EXPANSION SAGA

By David Riccio and Michael Carayannis

The NRL’s push to expand the competition into New Zealand has hit a major hurdle with Warriors owner Mark Robinson labelling the proposal as “suicide’’.

News Corp revealed last month the NRL’s long-term hopes of adding three more teams to the competition.

The 18th team is likely to either come from PNG or a combined PNG/ Pasifika venture by 2026 with plans gaining momentum to add a historic team from the region.

However, there is also support to eventually expand the NRL to 20 teams which would see another team added from New Zealand and either a second Melbourne team or a side from Perth.

NRL clubs want a say in any proposed expansion and Robinson has already indicated he would not support any plans to add another team into the Warriors heartland.

“It’s a 100 per cent no from me,” Robinson said.

“The only place you’d send it would be the South Island, but even then the South Island is rugby territory.

“At the end of the day, when the Warriors are at their best, we get 20,000 to a game.

“When it’s raining and cold, we get 13,000. So there’s no way it’s financially viable.

“It would be suicide for someone to start another club in New Zealand.”

The Warriors are only just starting to find their feet again having spent two years away from New Zealand because of Covid-19.

The ramifications have been severe with the Warriors virtually having to start again with reconnecting with fans, sponsors and rugby league at grassroots level.

Rugby league was a near nonentity in New Zealand during their time away.

They would never make any money because you’ve got to have an entire junior pathways structure for that new team,” Robinson said.

“It’s not just about the NRL. You can’t survive only with an NRL team, it’s about the entire foundation of the club from the grassroots upwards.

“You’re not going to get the players. You’re going to have to buy all the players from Australia and pay top dollar to get them to move over.

“It’s a waste of money going to New Zealand unless they’re (NRL) are going to prop it up.

“I firmly believe Perth should be the location for expansion. They were doing well before they exited the comp last time.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-expansion-warriors-owner-pushes-back-against-second-new-zealand-team/news-story/166d750e1a6b49b6ccd69c99235d7118

 

[Bukowski]

This guy sounds smart

 

[The Great Dane]

NRL SUICIDE’: LATEST BLOW TO EXPANSION SAGA

By David Riccio and Michael Carayannis

The NRL’s push to expand the competition into New Zealand has hit a major hurdle with Warriors owner Mark Robinson labelling the proposal as “suicide’’.

News Corp revealed last month the NRL’s long-term hopes of adding three more teams to the competition.

The 18th team is likely to either come from PNG or a combined PNG/ Pasifika venture by 2026 with plans gaining momentum to add a historic team from the region.

However, there is also support to eventually expand the NRL to 20 teams which would see another team added from New Zealand and either a second Melbourne team or a side from Perth.

NRL clubs want a say in any proposed expansion and Robinson has already indicated he would not support any plans to add another team into the Warriors heartland.

“It’s a 100 per cent no from me,” Robinson said.

“The only place you’d send it would be the South Island, but even then the South Island is rugby territory.

“At the end of the day, when the Warriors are at their best, we get 20,000 to a game.

“When it’s raining and cold, we get 13,000. So there’s no way it’s financially viable.

“It would be suicide for someone to start another club in New Zealand.”

The Warriors are only just starting to find their feet again having spent two years away from New Zealand because of Covid-19.

The ramifications have been severe with the Warriors virtually having to start again with reconnecting with fans, sponsors and rugby league at grassroots level.

Rugby league was a near nonentity in New Zealand during their time away.

They would never make any money because you’ve got to have an entire junior pathways structure for that new team,” Robinson said.

“It’s not just about the NRL. You can’t survive only with an NRL team, it’s about the entire foundation of the club from the grassroots upwards.

“You’re not going to get the players. You’re going to have to buy all the players from Australia and pay top dollar to get them to move over.

“It’s a waste of money going to New Zealand unless they’re (NRL) are going to prop it up.

“I firmly believe Perth should be the location for expansion. They were doing well before they exited the comp last time.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-expansion-warriors-owner-pushes-back-against-second-new-zealand-team/news-story/166d750e1a6b49b6ccd69c99235d7118

Breaking news, local businessman is afraid of competition and would like to maintain his de facto monopoly!

I have my own misgivings about NZ compared to other expansion options, but that's just the stereotypical "whatabout muh juniors" BS, and no different to the Broncos spending 30 years sabotaging expansion in Brisbane.

In the modern age addressing his concerns requires well funded and culturally relevant pro sides and competitions to push interest, and the only way you achieve that in NZ with RL is more NRL sides spread across the country.

How you go about funding those sides and building them towards self sustainability is a legitimate concern, but those sides are a necessity if you want significant growth in NZ that has a long term impact on the market from the grassroots up.

 

[Gobsmacked]

This is like asking the local burger joint what they think about McDonald's moving in next door lol

I'm more convinced they need another team now, obviously the Warriors are cruising on the monopoly they have, it would serve the rl community well if they had some competitive drive.

I like how he favours Perth besides the fact he’s in NZ and has no clue about Perth or why there.
Just anywhere but here please

The fact that he's made this statement mean that there's rumbling under the surface for another NZ team and he’s gotten wind of it and done his level best to try and stop it.
So the rivalry is born before the team even exists, it's going to be epic!

 

[Gobsmacked]

NRL SUICIDE’: LATEST BLOW TO EXPANSION SAGA

By David Riccio and Michael Carayannis

The NRL’s push to expand the competition into New Zealand has hit a major hurdle with Warriors owner Mark Robinson labelling the proposal as “suicide’’.

News Corp revealed last month the NRL’s long-term hopes of adding three more teams to the competition.

The 18th team is likely to either come from PNG or a combined PNG/ Pasifika venture by 2026 with plans gaining momentum to add a historic team from the region.

However, there is also support to eventually expand the NRL to 20 teams which would see another team added from New Zealand and either a second Melbourne team or a side from Perth.

NRL clubs want a say in any proposed expansion and Robinson has already indicated he would not support any plans to add another team into the Warriors heartland.

“It’s a 100 per cent no from me,” Robinson said.

“The only place you’d send it would be the South Island, but even then the South Island is rugby territory.

“At the end of the day, when the Warriors are at their best, we get 20,000 to a game.

“When it’s raining and cold, we get 13,000. So there’s no way it’s financially viable.

“It would be suicide for someone to start another club in New Zealand.”

The Warriors are only just starting to find their feet again having spent two years away from New Zealand because of Covid-19.

The ramifications have been severe with the Warriors virtually having to start again with reconnecting with fans, sponsors and rugby league at grassroots level.

Rugby league was a near nonentity in New Zealand during their time away.

They would never make any money because you’ve got to have an entire junior pathways structure for that new team,” Robinson said.

“It’s not just about the NRL. You can’t survive only with an NRL team, it’s about the entire foundation of the club from the grassroots upwards.

“You’re not going to get the players. You’re going to have to buy all the players from Australia and pay top dollar to get them to move over.

“It’s a waste of money going to New Zealand unless they’re (NRL) are going to prop it up.

“I firmly believe Perth should be the location for expansion. They were doing well before they exited the comp last time.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-expansion-warriors-owner-pushes-back-against-second-new-zealand-team/news-story/166d750e1a6b49b6ccd69c99235d7118

Makes you think .. why he felt he needs to oppose a new team in NZ?
Because it's becoming likely.

 

[flippikat]

This is like asking the local burger joint what they think about McDonald's moving in next door lol

I'm more convinced they need another team now, obviously the Warriors are cruising on the monopoly they have, it would serve the rl community well if they had some competitive drive.

I like how he favours Perth besides the fact he’s in NZ and has no clue about Perth or why there.
Just anywhere but here please

The fact that he's made this statement mean that there's rumbling under the surface for another NZ team and he’s gotten wind of it and done his level best to try and stop it.
So the rivalry is born before the team even exists, it's going to be epic!

The rivalry already exists between Auckland & Christchurch on MANY levels.

Blue & White vs Red & Black

North Island vs South Island

Metropolitan multicultural city vs Big rural-adjacent city

Put a Christchurch team into the NRL, and you'll see NZ's biggest sporting rivalry - bar none - come into the league.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The rivalry already exists between Auckland & Christchurch on MANY levels.

Blue & White vs Red & Black

North Island vs South Island

Metropolitan multicultural city vs Big rural-adjacent city

Put a Christchurch team into the NRL, and you'll see NZ's biggest sporting rivalry - bar none - come into the league.

Totally agree. Biggest sporting rivalry bar none!
Epic !

 

[Gobsmacked]

The rivalry already exists between Auckland & Christchurch on MANY levels.

Blue & White vs Red & Black

North Island vs South Island

Metropolitan multicultural city vs Big rural-adjacent city

Put a Christchurch team into the NRL, and you'll see NZ's biggest sporting rivalry - bar none - come into the league.

This really backfired on Perth red

 

[Wb1234]

The rivalry already exists between Auckland & Christchurch on MANY levels.

Blue & White vs Red & Black

North Island vs South Island

Metropolitan multicultural city vs Big rural-adjacent city

Put a Christchurch team into the NRL, and you'll see NZ's biggest sporting rivalry - bar none - come into the league.

This article did say he’s ok with a team on the South Island as opposed to Wellington provided it has decent pathways