New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

A League might be "dieing" but soccer sure isn't going anywhere.

Nsl

 

[The Great Dane]

Hows it a home game? Its a 1000km between Auckland and Christchurch! Given some sydney clubs are playing away games less than 20km away from their home ground Im not sure that argument holds much water!

I hate performative stupidity more than anything.

You and I both know that the Warriors are a national brand with a national audience and partners across the country. All the business and fan interest in NZ would be in the Warriors if Australian sides took games against the Warriors to Christchurch, or anywhere else in NZ, and playing those extra games in NZ would fill their coffers first and foremost at the expense of those Australian teams and their fans and partners back in Australia.

There's nothing stopping the NRL from making more NZ content if they want more content in NZ, and they don't need to negatively impact other teams and markets to do that.

Lmao

how would they easily be replaced

If push came to shove the NRL could have easily taken control of the Warriors during covid, and there were at least half a dozen entities that could have taken over the Warriors license overnight and done a good enough job to have gotten the NRL through covid if things went really south.

None of that would have been ideal, but they weren't ideal times.

Yeah the moment it gets a real foothill of it can steamroll any other code.

geez have a sook Ricky

Is projection a national affliction in NZ?

You lot are the ones sooking that you aren't being given things you were never promised and pretending you're 'some sort of hero' for acting in your own self-preservation.

There's nothing stopping you from creating new events if you want more events in NZ. So stop sooking that the NRL and Australia won't do everything for you and blaming them for your inadequacies, and get about creating some major events.

 

[flippikat]

I bet you were pissed when Super League happend and stopped the short lived expansion of the ARL in 1996 alongside the forming of the Super 12's.

The Super League war in itself didn't get me too pissed off - as a Warriors fan in Wellington, I think a lot of the intensity of the battle just washed over me.

Naturally I followed the Superleague comp more than the ARL, and with the Bears were in the ARL competition I could cheer for 2 teams in their respective competitions, and the war did drive some innovation in expansion (Adelaide & Melbourne) and rules (eg video ref & 40/20 rule).

The thing I got really pissed about was the botched & rushed peace settlement which was a disaster for the game in the long run - the building blocks were THERE in late 1997 for a great competition with an awesome footprint, and the administrators screwed it up BADLY.

 

[Perth Red]

The Super League war in itself didn't get me too pissed off - as a Warriors fan in Wellington, I think a lot of the intensity of the battle just washed over me.

Naturally I followed the Superleague comp more than the ARL, and with the Bears were in the ARL competition I could cheer for 2 teams in their respective competitions, and the war did drive some innovation in expansion (Adelaide & Melbourne) and rules (eg video ref & 40/20 rule).

The thing I got really pissed about was the botched & rushed peace settlement which was a disaster for the game in the long run - the building blocks were THERE in late 1997 for a great competition with an awesome footprint, and the administrators screwed it up BADLY.

Whilst the war was bad it was the peace that fcked the game for the next 25 years. They should never have acquiesced to news ltds demands on the location of clubs and stuck to their national vision for the game. we could have had perth, Adelaide and melbourne in the comp for the last 25 years.

In cutting perth the game destroyed the codes third biggest state, that is just stupidity on a grand scale.

all,we can hope is that at some point in the future the game gets itself back to those early 90’s days,

 

[Wb1234]

Whilst the war was bad it was the peace that fcked the game for the next 25 years. They should never have acquiesced to news ltds demands on the location of clubs and stuck to their national vision for the game. we could have had perth, Adelaide and melbourne in the comp for the last 25 years.

In cutting perth the game destroyed the codes third biggest state, that is just stupidity on a grand scale.

all,we can hope is that at some point in the future the game gets itself back to those early 90’s days,

Did someone steal your account today ?

 

[flippikat]

Whilst the war was bad it was the peace that fcked the game for the next 25 years. They should never have acquiesced to news ltds demands on the location of clubs and stuck to their national vision for the game. we could have had perth, Adelaide and melbourne in the comp for the last 25 years.

In cutting perth the game destroyed the codes third biggest state, that is just stupidity on a grand scale.

all,we can hope is that at some point in the future the game gets itself back to those early 90’s days,

Yeah, seems like the ARL really didn't want to "back themselves" to carve out a niche for the game in Perth & Adelaide AND saw them as easy-meat in that mad race down to 14 teams (as stipulated in the peace deal) AND saw wholesale execution of the Rams, Crushers and Mariners, then Rams in 1998 as a fast-track to a strong Storm team.

All very short-sighted goals.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah, seems like the ARL really didn't want to "back themselves" to carve out a niche for the game in Perth & Adelaide AND saw them as easy-meat in that mad race down to 14 teams (as stipulated in the peace deal) AND saw wholesale execution of the Rams, Crushers and Mariners, then Rams in 1998 as a fast-track to a strong Storm team.

All very short-sighted goals.

News ltd killed them off

arl had no power over those clubs

 

[flippikat]

News ltd killed them off

arl had no power over those clubs

ARL surely could have fought for them - or at least for replacement clubs - in the peace deal.

For a start - rebranding the Crushers, getting them funding to carry on past 1997, and fighting against the Broncos SEQ monopoly clause in the peace deal - even if it meant selling the Crushers licence to an existing Brisbane club.

Then forgiving the Reds for their defection to Superleague & fighting for a Perth team in the new NRL competition - both teams bolstered by some players from the defunct Hunter Mariners.

Gold Coast is a conundrum, and may well have been sacrificed as a kind of sop to Broncos/News Ltd - even though they were on the up & profitable, they may have stomached 2 SEQ teams, but certainly not 3 (maybe close the Crushers & relocate the Chargers to Brisbane?)

Then there's Adelaide. Still a going concern in 1998 (though only just), the newly formed NRL could look at relocation for one of the then-existing Sydney clubs (say, Tigers for instance) instead of shotgun mergers to preserve that market, which would leave the Magpies to form a more logical merger with the Bulldogs if necessary.

 

[Wb1234]

ARL surely could have fought for them - or at least for replacement clubs - in the peace deal.

For a start - rebranding the Crushers, getting them funding to carry on past 1997, and fighting against the Broncos SEQ monopoly clause in the peace deal - even if it meant selling the Crushers licence to an existing Brisbane club.

Then forgiving the Reds for their defection to Superleague & fighting for a Perth team in the new NRL competition - both teams bolstered by some players from the defunct Hunter Mariners.

Gold Coast is a conundrum, and may well have been sacrificed as a kind of sop to Broncos/News Ltd - even though they were on the up & profitable, they may have stomached 2 SEQ teams, but certainly not 3 (maybe close the Crushers & relocate the Chargers to Brisbane?)

Then there's Adelaide. Still a going concern in 1998 (though only just), the newly formed NRL could look at relocation for one of the then-existing Sydney clubs (say, Tigers for instance) instead of shotgun mergers to preserve that market, which would leave the Magpies to form a more logical merger with the Bulldogs if necessary.

Arl couldnt even fight for its Sydney clubs

a condition of the peace deal was no second brisbane team for 20 years

news ltd would never have allowed the crushers another chance

Adelaide were only introduced as a filler as super league expected Newcastle to join then even the dragons

how Cronulla remained in is a mystery

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah, seems like the ARL really didn't want to "back themselves" to carve out a niche for the game in Perth & Adelaide AND saw them as easy-meat in that mad race down to 14 teams (as stipulated in the peace deal) AND saw wholesale execution of the Rams, Crushers and Mariners, then Rams in 1998 as a fast-track to a strong Storm team.

All very short-sighted goals.

It was much more than niche in perth back then! We were the third biggest Rl state with 10k player and a top grade of over 12 clubs! RL was very popular here In the 80’s and 90’s, and the city only had 1mill people.

 

[Perth Red]

News ltd killed them off

arl had no power over those clubs

Whilst the reds were owned by news ltd by 97 the ARL could have insisted that perth remained and ownership and brand changed back to the original backers and board If news ltd wanted out,
They capitulated and the game suffered terribly for two decades because of it. Very sad but history is littered with such travesties. All we can hope is that the future rights the wrongs of the past and one day we get back there And beyond.

we’ve made the first two safe steps bringing back Gold Coast and brisbane2, now time for some courage and self belief in where the game can go to.

 

[flippikat]

It was much more than niche in perth back then! We were the third biggest Rl state with 10k player and a top grade of over 12 clubs! RL was very popular here In the 80’s and 90’s.

I stand corrected.

But yeah, it frustrates me that there wasn't *at least* a moratorium on culling clubs for a season or two while the footprint of the new NRL was strategically planned & ready for implementation in 1999 or 2000.

 

[Wb1234]

Whilst the reds were owned by news ltd by 97 the ARL could have insisted that perth remained and ownership and brand changed back to the original backers and board If news ltd wanted out,
They capitulated and the game suffered terribly for two decades because of it. Very sad but history is littered with such travesties. All we can hope is that the future rights the wrongs of the past and one day we get back there.

Bahahaha

yeh the arl should’ve fought a battle for a disloyal club and kill off another one of the clubs that was loyal to it

arl shouldn’t have made peace, instead they should have set up new clubs in Perth Brisbane nz and nth qld

Let dogs panthers and sharks die

 

[Perth Red]

Bahahaha

yeh the arl should’ve fought a battle for a disloyal club and kill off another one of the clubs that was loyal to it

arl shouldn’t have made peace, instead they should have set up new clubs in Perth Brisbane nz and nth qld

Let dogs panthers and sharks die

The ARL should have done what was best for the long term future of rugby league. destroying the games third biggest market was not the best thing for the game. The ARL failed their mandate miserably.

there was two millionaires sat there who may have been willing to swallow their pride and get behind the western reds again. The reds brand was well loved, and still is. Bringing the western reds back under new ownership would have made total sense.

 

[Wb1234]

The ARL should have done what was best for the long term future of rugby league. destroying the games third biggest market was not the best thing for the game. The ARL failed their mandate miserably.

Hahhahaaa

hahhahahaa

you should do comedy

 

[Perth Red]

Hahhahaaa

hahhahahaa

you should do comedy

That’s a dumb response to an interesting conversation and you should feel dumb for wasting 30secs of your life typing it., and mine replying to it.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s a dumb response to an interesting conversation and you should feel dumb for wasting 30secs of your life typing it., and mine replying to it.

News lts killed off Perth and the hunter mariners and moved all their players to Melbourne

obviously news ltd rated a team In melb over Perth

even worse they picked Cronulla ahead of Perth

 

[Perth Red]

News lts killed off Perth and the hunter mariners and moved all their players to Melbourne

obviously news ltd rated a team In melb over Perth

even worse they picked Cronulla ahead of Perth

I don’t think they really cared about Cronulla tbh, that would have been an ARL pick. Reds were owned by news lyd so easy to relocate For them.
Yes of course they did re melbourne, why wouldn’t they? it’s the second biggest city in the country, they were only interested in subscribers for their new ptv station and a 4times bigger population made more sense to them. it’s simple business.

the ARL however should have valued the games major presence in perth and told news ltd keep the club or sell the license back to someone else In Perth. Shutting it down was incredibly dumb, we lost our third biggest rl market overnight. Dumb dumb dumb.

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t think they really cared about Cronulla tbh, that would have been an ARL pick.
Yes of course they did re melbourne, why wouldn’t they? it’s the second biggest city in the country, they are only interested in subscribers for their new ptv station and a 4times bigger population made more sense to them. the ARL however should have valued the games major presence in perth and told news ltd keep the club or sell the license back to someone else In Perth. Shutting it down was incredibly dumb, we lost our third biggest rl market overnight. Dumb dumb dumb.

Arl didnt pick which super league clubs survived lmao

News ltd picked sharks
They could’ve picked Perth

 

[Perth Red]

Arl didnt pick which super league clubs survived lmao

News ltd picked sharks
They could’ve picked Perth

Geez you are hard work. News ltd wanted the Melbourne market, it owned reds and could easily relocate them for that business strategy. They didn’t own the sharks. If it was flipped and reds were still independently owned and sharks were owned by news ltd then it could just as easily been the sharks closed down and the resources moved to Melbourne. How can you not understand this?