New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Canard]

The logic of League only doing well when the ABs go poorly, is what about the reverse?

If RL can only survive with the Warriors and Kiwis doing well, then the sport is unsustainable.

The ABs are still a strong chance to win the RUWC anyways. (much to my disgust)

 

[Wb1234]

Mt smart gets the choice for this week

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The logic of League only doing well when the ABs go poorly, is what about the reverse?

If RL can only survive with the Warriors and Kiwis doing well, then the sport is unsustainable.

The ABs are still a strong chance to win the RUWC anyways. (much to my disgust)

League’s health in NZ has far more to do with Warriors/Kiwis success than it does to do with All Blacks (relative) failure. People don’t need to be sick of union to follow league, they just want to follow teams that make them happy.

 

[Matua]

Poor Comprehension skills imo or wilfully ignorant dunno which

Irony.

 

[Matua]

League’s health in NZ has far more to do with Warriors/Kiwis success than it does to do with All Blacks (relative) failure. People don’t need to be sick of union to follow league, they just want to follow teams that make them happy.

Yep, the best world is the Warriors winning the NRL, the ABs winning the RWC ... plus if the Magpies won the NPC I could die happy (sadly not going to happen this year, out coach is a bumbling Australian idiot).

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Has he? I’ve not seen it.

Yeah was even on a Sky Sport NZ podcast talking about the potential of NZ. Mind you, this was all last year, but I'm sure his sentiment stands

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www.smh.com.au

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Fine then all Aussie, but you and a handful of people that don't care for aussies progessing thru the world cup

Thanks

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Brian potter]

Really Hope the warriors turn over the knights this weekend.

I’ve got nothing against Newcastle but I think a warriors win would have more impact for RL in terms of growth, expansion and positive media coverage.

 

[Wb1234]

Really Hope the warriors turn over the knights this weekend.

I’ve got nothing against Newcastle but I think a warriors win would have more impact for RL in terms of growth, expansion and positive media coverage.

Small chance the wahs can go to Brisbane the following week and upset Brisbane

but their last two results have been floggings

 

[Brian potter]

Small chance the wahs can go to Brisbane the following week and upset Brisbane

but their last two results have been floggings

I agree. I have a feeling that the knights will do a job on the warriors in Auckland this weekend unfortunately.

it would be so RL for the warriors to crash out and the all blacks to reach the final and possibly win the World Cup.

lol!!!

 

[Wb1234]

I agree. I have a feeling that the knights will do a job on the warriors in Auckland this weekend unfortunately.

it would be so RL for the warriors to crash out and the all blacks to reach the final and possibly win the World Cup.

lol!!!

Knights are busted and have a short turnaround and a trip to nz

it’s four more years till the next World Cup and super rugby will just keep sinking

 

[Brian potter]

Knights are busted and have a short turnaround and a trip to nz

I think the warriors aren’t too far behind them either.

it’s four more years till the next World Cup and super rugby will just keep sinking

true on the super rugby part but unfortunately for RL the World Cup isn’t the only international games union plays and the all blacks will have a new coach and have some exciting talent coming through their ranks.

 

[taste2taste]

Mt smart gets the choice for this week

Any chance you or anyone else can cut and paste this ?

Is league winning battle for hearts and minds in New Zealand?

On Saturday, New Zealanders will have a sporting double date: the All Blacks over an early breakfast and the Warriors in the afternoon. Is there a shift in the sporting landscape across the Tasman?

www.smh.com.au

 

[MugaB]

Any chance you or anyone else can cut and paste this ?

Is league winning battle for hearts and minds in New Zealand?

On Saturday, New Zealanders will have a sporting double date: the All Blacks over an early breakfast and the Warriors in the afternoon. Is there a shift in the sporting landscape across the Tasman?

www.smh.com.au

Code Wahs: Is league winning battle for hearts and minds in New Zealand?


Outside the Warriors’ Mount Smart stadium, a banner reads “no place like home”. After more than 1000 days on the road in Australia, the Warriors finally returned to Auckland last year and are now enjoying the comforts of home and the delirium of a long-awaited run in the NRL finals.
On their website, replica jerseys are almost sold out – there are no adult male jerseys left in stock, with only extra small female ones available. Saturday’s semi-final against Newcastle is virtually guaranteed to be a sell out.

Penrith Panthers host the New Zealand Warriors in Week 1 of the 2023 NRL Premiership Finals.
Meanwhile, the hitherto all-conquering All Blacks, for so long the pride and joy of New Zealand sport, are in unfamiliar territory having lost their first game of the Rugby World Cup to hosts France. They will almost certainly face a challenging quarter-final against defending champions South Africa or world No.1 Ireland – providing they qualify from their group, that is.
Sir Peter Leitch is a successful New Zealand businessman who set up a chain of butcher shops across the country. He is known by his nickname “the Mad Butcher” and has been a hugely passionate supporter of the Warriors since their foundation in 1995.

He believes the sporting landscape in New Zealand is gradually shifting from the historical domination of the All Blacks.
“Everywhere you go, you are hearing ‘Up the Wahs’, and it’s absolutely amazing for people like me to see,” he said.
“It’s exciting to see the passion of the fans. I don’t think the All Blacks have the free run that they used to. For many years rugby [union] ruled, but now other sports have stepped up like league and even other sports like basketball.

“We have another sell-out crowd at home this Saturday against the [Newcastle Knights] and as it gets nearer it’s so exciting. We’re embracing this period and riding the wave.”


The Warriors have traditionally enjoyed loyal support in Auckland, particularly in its southern suburbs, but the club’s reach is starting to be felt in traditional rugby heartlands on the south island, too. Canterbury Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge tweeted that the two codes could co-exist happily together and share support.
Warriors CEO Cameron George believes that the club’s support is growing across the country and their run to the finals has helped them reach new fans.

“The engagement we’re getting right around New Zealand and even globally is unbelievable. From the deep south [island] to the top of the north, then east to west, it doesn’t matter what town, everyone here is riding high on the momentum of the Warriors.
“We are in a very privileged position that we can put so much joy into this great country of ours. And whether you’re a league fan, a rugby fan or just a sports fan, you’re part of our footy club, we’re making you feel engaged through a lot of things that we’re doing and we’re really proud of that.”

George understands that the Warriors are competing with rugby for a captive audience in New Zealand, but believes that both codes ultimately complement each other.
“We always have a dig at each other, but the All Blacks players and our players love each other, they inspire each other and they support each other. At the end of the day, we all want our country to be great and we all play our role in that.
“The All Blacks are doing their thing in the World Cup and we’re supporting them and cheering them on. They’re the national brand for rugby union and we’re flying the flag for league in the NRL. It’s a one-in, all-in approach in New Zealand. We all want to win and we all want to do our country proud.”
Aaron Lawton has a unique perspective on the rise of the Warriors. He spent four years working for the club in their engagement and communications department, before moving to his current position as CEO of Counties Manukau Rugby Union based in Auckland.
On Saturday, he hosted guests in the lounge before a home National Provincial Championship game for his club against Southland and everyone was glued to the Warriors clash against Penrith. Like George, he believes that the psyche of the New Zealand sports fan plays a strong role in the codes’ ability to complement one another.

“There’s no sense they [the Warriors] are going to usurp rugby or anything like that. Kiwis are really good at getting behind our teams when they go well. I definitely think that union people want the Warriors to do well,” he said.
“For the broadcast of the Rugby World Cup here on Saturday morning for the post-match [analysis] I think I heard ‘Up the Wahs’ nine times. It’s become sort of part of the modern vernacular.
“I definitely do not run into those negative anti-rugby league sentiments, very rarely in fact, I can say that this is a very traditional rugby union province but everyone wants the Wahs to do well.”
The last time the Warriors reached the NRL grand final was in 2011, when the All Blacks won the World Cup at home in Auckland. New Zealand sports fans will be hoping this year brings a similar treasure trove of fixtures to enjoy

 

[Jamberoo]

Code Wahs: Is league winning battle for hearts and minds in New Zealand?


Outside the Warriors’ Mount Smart stadium, a banner reads “no place like home”. After more than 1000 days on the road in Australia, the Warriors finally returned to Auckland last year and are now enjoying the comforts of home and the delirium of a long-awaited run in the NRL finals.
On their website, replica jerseys are almost sold out – there are no adult male jerseys left in stock, with only extra small female ones available. Saturday’s semi-final against Newcastle is virtually guaranteed to be a sell out.

Penrith Panthers host the New Zealand Warriors in Week 1 of the 2023 NRL Premiership Finals.
Meanwhile, the hitherto all-conquering All Blacks, for so long the pride and joy of New Zealand sport, are in unfamiliar territory having lost their first game of the Rugby World Cup to hosts France. They will almost certainly face a challenging quarter-final against defending champions South Africa or world No.1 Ireland – providing they qualify from their group, that is.
Sir Peter Leitch is a successful New Zealand businessman who set up a chain of butcher shops across the country. He is known by his nickname “the Mad Butcher” and has been a hugely passionate supporter of the Warriors since their foundation in 1995.

He believes the sporting landscape in New Zealand is gradually shifting from the historical domination of the All Blacks.
“Everywhere you go, you are hearing ‘Up the Wahs’, and it’s absolutely amazing for people like me to see,” he said.
“It’s exciting to see the passion of the fans. I don’t think the All Blacks have the free run that they used to. For many years rugby [union] ruled, but now other sports have stepped up like league and even other sports like basketball.

“We have another sell-out crowd at home this Saturday against the [Newcastle Knights] and as it gets nearer it’s so exciting. We’re embracing this period and riding the wave.”


The Warriors have traditionally enjoyed loyal support in Auckland, particularly in its southern suburbs, but the club’s reach is starting to be felt in traditional rugby heartlands on the south island, too. Canterbury Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge tweeted that the two codes could co-exist happily together and share support.
Warriors CEO Cameron George believes that the club’s support is growing across the country and their run to the finals has helped them reach new fans.

“The engagement we’re getting right around New Zealand and even globally is unbelievable. From the deep south [island] to the top of the north, then east to west, it doesn’t matter what town, everyone here is riding high on the momentum of the Warriors.
“We are in a very privileged position that we can put so much joy into this great country of ours. And whether you’re a league fan, a rugby fan or just a sports fan, you’re part of our footy club, we’re making you feel engaged through a lot of things that we’re doing and we’re really proud of that.”

George understands that the Warriors are competing with rugby for a captive audience in New Zealand, but believes that both codes ultimately complement each other.
“We always have a dig at each other, but the All Blacks players and our players love each other, they inspire each other and they support each other. At the end of the day, we all want our country to be great and we all play our role in that.
“The All Blacks are doing their thing in the World Cup and we’re supporting them and cheering them on. They’re the national brand for rugby union and we’re flying the flag for league in the NRL. It’s a one-in, all-in approach in New Zealand. We all want to win and we all want to do our country proud.”
Aaron Lawton has a unique perspective on the rise of the Warriors. He spent four years working for the club in their engagement and communications department, before moving to his current position as CEO of Counties Manukau Rugby Union based in Auckland.
On Saturday, he hosted guests in the lounge before a home National Provincial Championship game for his club against Southland and everyone was glued to the Warriors clash against Penrith. Like George, he believes that the psyche of the New Zealand sports fan plays a strong role in the codes’ ability to complement one another.

“There’s no sense they [the Warriors] are going to usurp rugby or anything like that. Kiwis are really good at getting behind our teams when they go well. I definitely think that union people want the Warriors to do well,” he said.
“For the broadcast of the Rugby World Cup here on Saturday morning for the post-match [analysis] I think I heard ‘Up the Wahs’ nine times. It’s become sort of part of the modern vernacular.
“I definitely do not run into those negative anti-rugby league sentiments, very rarely in fact, I can say that this is a very traditional rugby union province but everyone wants the Wahs to do well.”
The last time the Warriors reached the NRL grand final was in 2011, when the All Blacks won the World Cup at home in Auckland. New Zealand sports fans will be hoping this year brings a similar treasure trove of fixtures to enjoy

So, given that the WaHS are ‘becoming everyone’s second team’, is that a reason to introduce a second team? Or a reason to keep one team And build on that? Soccer in Melbourne was huge when we just have Victory - it was everyone’s second team after NRL/AFL. We we’re all on the Victory bandwagon. I don’t like soccer but we to a couple of GFs with mates. Once the A League introduced second and third teams, that was all lost. We were no longer united by one team. No one talks about or goes to A League any more.

If the Warriors brand is so strong, maybe it is best to use that to build the game in NZ.

 

[taste2taste]

Code Wahs: Is league winning battle for hearts and minds in New Zealand?


Outside the Warriors’ Mount Smart stadium, a banner reads “no place like home”. After more than 1000 days on the road in Australia, the Warriors finally returned to Auckland last year and are now enjoying the comforts of home and the delirium of a long-awaited run in the NRL finals.
On their website, replica jerseys are almost sold out – there are no adult male jerseys left in stock, with only extra small female ones available. Saturday’s semi-final against Newcastle is virtually guaranteed to be a sell out.

Penrith Panthers host the New Zealand Warriors in Week 1 of the 2023 NRL Premiership Finals.
Meanwhile, the hitherto all-conquering All Blacks, for so long the pride and joy of New Zealand sport, are in unfamiliar territory having lost their first game of the Rugby World Cup to hosts France. They will almost certainly face a challenging quarter-final against defending champions South Africa or world No.1 Ireland – providing they qualify from their group, that is.
Sir Peter Leitch is a successful New Zealand businessman who set up a chain of butcher shops across the country. He is known by his nickname “the Mad Butcher” and has been a hugely passionate supporter of the Warriors since their foundation in 1995.

He believes the sporting landscape in New Zealand is gradually shifting from the historical domination of the All Blacks.
“Everywhere you go, you are hearing ‘Up the Wahs’, and it’s absolutely amazing for people like me to see,” he said.
“It’s exciting to see the passion of the fans. I don’t think the All Blacks have the free run that they used to. For many years rugby [union] ruled, but now other sports have stepped up like league and even other sports like basketball.

“We have another sell-out crowd at home this Saturday against the [Newcastle Knights] and as it gets nearer it’s so exciting. We’re embracing this period and riding the wave.”


The Warriors have traditionally enjoyed loyal support in Auckland, particularly in its southern suburbs, but the club’s reach is starting to be felt in traditional rugby heartlands on the south island, too. Canterbury Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge tweeted that the two codes could co-exist happily together and share support.
Warriors CEO Cameron George believes that the club’s support is growing across the country and their run to the finals has helped them reach new fans.

“The engagement we’re getting right around New Zealand and even globally is unbelievable. From the deep south [island] to the top of the north, then east to west, it doesn’t matter what town, everyone here is riding high on the momentum of the Warriors.
“We are in a very privileged position that we can put so much joy into this great country of ours. And whether you’re a league fan, a rugby fan or just a sports fan, you’re part of our footy club, we’re making you feel engaged through a lot of things that we’re doing and we’re really proud of that.”

George understands that the Warriors are competing with rugby for a captive audience in New Zealand, but believes that both codes ultimately complement each other.
“We always have a dig at each other, but the All Blacks players and our players love each other, they inspire each other and they support each other. At the end of the day, we all want our country to be great and we all play our role in that.
“The All Blacks are doing their thing in the World Cup and we’re supporting them and cheering them on. They’re the national brand for rugby union and we’re flying the flag for league in the NRL. It’s a one-in, all-in approach in New Zealand. We all want to win and we all want to do our country proud.”
Aaron Lawton has a unique perspective on the rise of the Warriors. He spent four years working for the club in their engagement and communications department, before moving to his current position as CEO of Counties Manukau Rugby Union based in Auckland.
On Saturday, he hosted guests in the lounge before a home National Provincial Championship game for his club against Southland and everyone was glued to the Warriors clash against Penrith. Like George, he believes that the psyche of the New Zealand sports fan plays a strong role in the codes’ ability to complement one another.

“There’s no sense they [the Warriors] are going to usurp rugby or anything like that. Kiwis are really good at getting behind our teams when they go well. I definitely think that union people want the Warriors to do well,” he said.
“For the broadcast of the Rugby World Cup here on Saturday morning for the post-match [analysis] I think I heard ‘Up the Wahs’ nine times. It’s become sort of part of the modern vernacular.
“I definitely do not run into those negative anti-rugby league sentiments, very rarely in fact, I can say that this is a very traditional rugby union province but everyone wants the Wahs to do well.”
The last time the Warriors reached the NRL grand final was in 2011, when the All Blacks won the World Cup at home in Auckland. New Zealand sports fans will be hoping this year brings a similar treasure trove of fixtures to enjoy

Thanks for posting that.
Interesting to read how both codes are enjoyed by the majority of fans, the 'code wars' seems to be a uniquely Aussie and English thing. For example in France rugby union clubs in the south East also run League teams for those that prefer to play league, in France Rugby League is known as Rugby 13.

If NZ isn't to get a 2nd team ( it will all come down to profit not expansion for the NRL ) then could the Warriors split thier home games between the North and South ? Similar to what the Dragons and Tigers do ?

 

[MugaB]

So, given that the WaHS are ‘becoming everyone’s second team’, is that a reason to introduce a second team? Or a reason to keep one team And build on that? Soccer in Melbourne was huge when we just have Victory - it was everyone’s second team after NRL/AFL. We we’re all on the Victory bandwagon. I don’t like soccer but we to a couple of GFs with mates. Once the A League introduced second and third teams, that was all lost. We were no longer united by one team. No one talks about or goes to A League any more.

If the Warriors brand is so strong, maybe it is best to use that to build the game in NZ.

Thats actually something i believe too... i mentioned that the warriors have caught fire, why would you want to dilute the fanbase when they are winning, its something you do when they are looking like they are going south on the ladder, just to give another point of difference, or a 2nd option for those who have given up on the warriors... as i said the broncos got a wooden spoon right about when the arlc were thinking of adding a another seq team, thus the derbies now are set up, by bringing in a new franchise, that most folk who were sick of the broncos could follow

 

[bazza]

if you wanted to gauge the potential of NZ2 you would need to see how many people watched the non-Warriors finals games

 

[MugaB]

Thanks for posting that.
Interesting to read how both codes are enjoyed by the majority of fans, the 'code wars' seems to be a uniquely Aussie and English thing. For example in France rugby union clubs in the south East also run League teams for those that prefer to play league, in France Rugby League is known as Rugby 13.

If NZ isn't to get a 2nd team ( it will all come down to profit not expansion for the NRL ) then could the Warriors split thier home games between the North and South ? Similar to what the Dragons and Tigers do ?

Nrl or ARLC aren't in it to "make money" they are in it to make each of the clubs profitable, and sustainable, the money made gets divid up and re routed back to the clubs, i think only a percentage goes to asset building and grassroots, they were setup to become the caretakers of the comp, its like a syndicate figurehead, once you're in, you're in... So there's no point expanding to southern NZ, if the other clubs are not somehow profiting from it.. only the warriors moving a few home games there will see themselves profit.. as that show on the road should pack out those venues, as it did in Nelson and Hamilton this year (Hamilton actually was a tigers home game, so they made the cash)