New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[bazza]

Thats actually something i believe too... i mentioned that the warriors have caught fire, why would you want to dilute the fanbase when they are winning, its something you do when they are looking like they are going south on the ladder, just to give another point of difference, or a 2nd option for those who have given up on the warriors... as i said the broncos got a wooden spoon right about when the arlc were thinking of adding a another seq team, thus the derbies now are set up, by bringing in a new franchise, that most folk who were sick of the broncos could follow

As Brisbane is a rugby league town I believe that there has been a pretty strong "anyone but the Broncos" support group from the beginning

 

[Wb1234]

Nrl or ARLC aren't in it to "make money" they are in it to make each of the clubs profitable, and sustainable, the money made gets divid up and re routed back to the clubs, i think only a percentage goes to asset building and grassroots, they were setup to become the caretakers of the comp, its like a syndicate figurehead, once you're in, you're in... So there's no point expanding to southern NZ, if the other clubs are not somehow profiting from it.. only the warriors moving a few home games there will see themselves profit.. as that show on the road should pack out those venues, as it did in Nelson and Hamilton this year (Hamilton actually was a tigers home game, so they made the cash)

They also are custodians of the game of rugby league and their duty is to expand it to areas

 

[Matua]

if you wanted to gauge the potential of NZ2 you would need to see how many people watched the non-Warriors finals games

TBH I don't think that would be much of a gauge either. NZers are going to watch NZ2 in more numbers than Oz teams only matches.

 

[MugaB]

They also are custodians of the game of rugby league and their duty is to expand it to areas

Unlikely they will, unless there is a strong comp there already that they can create a "combined" team ala Newcastle, or Brisbane, gone are the days (95-98) where they can plonk a licence in Perth, Townsville, Hunter, Adelaide, Melbourne.. and assume that it will get supported or be competitive without a massive cash injection or long amount of all of that above, from the ARLC, theyll be looking at bids who will generate there own funds, and just need a peice of paper (nrl licence) to function as the 18th-20th teams, just like the dolphins have

 

[Wb1234]

Unlikely they will, unless there is a strong comp there already that they can create a "combined" team ala Newcastle, or Brisbane, gone are the days (95-98) where they can plonk a licence in Perth, Townsville, Hunter, Adelaide, Melbourne.. and assume that it will get supported or be competitive without a massive cash injection or long amount of all of that above, from the ARLC, theyll be looking at bids who will generate there own funds, and just need a peice of paper (nrl licence) to function as the 18th-20th teams, just like the dolphins have

When they added the following teams none of them made money

Penrith
Canberra
Cronulla
Illawarra
Newcastle
Perth
Nth qld

 

[bazza]

TBH I don't think that would be much of a gauge either. NZers are going to watch NZ2 in more numbers than Oz teams only matches.

NZ2 would imply that there is an appetite to watch top flight rugby league in the country that the Warriors don't satisfy

 

[MugaB]

When they added the following teams none of them made money

Penrith
Canberra
Cronulla
Illawarra
Newcastle
Perth
Nth qld

Correct but the bulk of them feed the other teams with their local players, not easy to get quality players sitting in a reserve grade set up up in the hunter or townsville, not when you can have an nrl team pool the best of the best in that area to poach from..

 

[Wb1234]

Correct but the bulk of them feed the other teams with their local players, not easy to get quality players sitting in a reserve grade set up up in the hunter or townsville, not when you can have an nrl team pool the best of the best in that area to poach from..

They didn’t when they were admitted

it was a case of build it and they will come

if what you are saying is right then brisbane 3 will be next or nz2

not Perth or png

 

[Wb1234]

NZ2 would imply that there is an appetite to watch top flight rugby league in the country that the Warriors don't satisfy

Which has been demonstrated by crowds outside of Auckland this year

 

[MugaB]

NZ2 would imply that there is an appetite to watch top flight rugby league in the country that the Warriors don't satisfy

I feel that the warriors are only now fulfilling that role, where they haven't since their inception until the end of the 2000s, after that its just been a rollocoaster of disappointment, that hadel every rl fan frustrated and just dropping league, as a must watch. This season its been a must watch, even for me, and im a panthers fan

 

[MugaB]

They didn’t when they were admitted

it was a case of build it and they will come

if what you are saying is right then brisbane 3 will be next or nz2

not Perth or png

Or all three..

Brisbane surely have the lead in for self sufficiency and competitive players, PNG lacks self sufficiency, but has the population and background to create competitive players, and Perth has money, population and potential, but are non-competitive as RL athletes, in comparison to the rest of the RL landscape...
All have merit, even a second NZ team could do this, but there is no word on bids, nor a city or town in nz that has peaked any interest... where Perth, PNG and SEQ have all put their respective hands up... so unless the Bears are moving to Hamilton, Wellington or Christchurch, i dont see a NZ2 happening at this time

 

[mongoose]

Thanks for posting that.
Interesting to read how both codes are enjoyed by the majority of fans, the 'code wars' seems to be a uniquely Aussie and English thing. For example in France rugby union clubs in the south East also run League teams for those that prefer to play league, in France Rugby League is known as Rugby 13.

If NZ isn't to get a 2nd team ( it will all come down to profit not expansion for the NRL ) then could the Warriors split thier home games between the North and South ? Similar to what the Dragons and Tigers do ?

even in QLD there is more crossover between League and Union with both fans and players. Sydney seems to be code war central and has a much more pronounced class divide than anywhere else in the country.
England of course invented class division and excel at it better than anyone in the western world.

 

[Matua]

NZ2 would imply that there is an appetite to watch top flight rugby league in the country that the Warriors don't satisfy

Or to watch hand in hand with the Warriors. Which is again different from watching two Oz teams play.

For example, I watch every Warriors game but not every NRL game, if NZ2 arrived I'd watch every one of their games as well, but still not every NRL game.

I expect fairweather league fans who currently watch Warriors game but no other games will watch NZ2 but still no others.

 

[Matua]

I feel that the warriors are only now fulfilling that role, where they haven't since their inception until the end of the 2000s, after that its just been a rollocoaster of disappointment, that hadel every rl fan frustrated and just dropping league, as a must watch. This season its been a must watch, even for me, and im a panthers fan

If Andrew Webster gets hit by a bus (or decides two props in a team are two too many) then this could all go away in an instant.

George and the owner have been awful at running the club for years, aside from one decision, signing Webster. Without Webster this year never happens, a non winning Warriors wouldn't have seen the big crowds, the only positive would be that the fake saying wouldn't have been promoted.

 

[MugaB]

Or to watch hand in hand with the Warriors. Which is again different from watching two Oz teams play.

For example, I watch every Warriors game but not every NRL game, if NZ2 arrived I'd watch every one of their games as well, but still not every NRL game.

I expect fairweather league fans who currently watch Warriors game but no other games will watch NZ2 but still no others.

Yeah that makes sense, i watch most games, but won't bother with broncos, roosters and parra, coz i have no love for them, if you aren't invested in a particular player or team or even curious to see an even battle, then you probably wont waste 2 hours on tv or at the pub... watched evety dolphins, warriors, and pabthers game this season and countless random others but skipped those other 3 i mentioned as they just detest me

 

[MugaB]

If Andrew Webster gets hit by a bus (or decides two props in a team are two too many) then this could all go away in an instant.

George and the owner have been awful at running the club for years, aside from one decision, signing Webster. Without Webster this year never happens, a non winning Warriors wouldn't have seen the big crowds, the only positive would be that the fake saying wouldn't have been promoted.

Geez that's pretty cold bro... webbys awesome

 

[Matua]

Geez that's pretty cold bro... webbys awesome

How is that cold? I just attributed all the success to him.

But, as I said in the match thread we need to call a spade a spade, we can't go into matches with two props, a second rower who sits on the bench for 60 mins, and three hybrid hookers on the bench and expect to win.

 

[Wb1234]

If Andrew Webster gets hit by a bus (or decides two props in a team are two too many) then this could all go away in an instant.

George and the owner have been awful at running the club for years, aside from one decision, signing Webster. Without Webster this year never happens, a non winning Warriors wouldn't have seen the big crowds, the only positive would be that the fake saying wouldn't have been promoted.

They were due

 

[bazza]

Which has been demonstrated by crowds outside of Auckland this year

where there any games outside of Auckland that didn't involve the Warriors?

 

[Wb1234]

where there any games outside of Auckland that didn't involve the Warriors?

If nz2 are added the games will feature them

and the derby will be something else

curious argument you are making