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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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Wb1234

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Matua said:
The pathways will not dent rugby if they don't have an influence in schools. The mana in NZ is via 1st XV rugby.

Yes they need a domestic competition. Two NRL teams in the country aren't going to pull supporters away from the ABs, the Chiefs, and Waikato.

If the ARLC succeeds in holding ongoing international competitions I'll be both very surprised and happy. But Australia's Origin focus always puts that in danger so I'm really not holding my breath.
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Origin is on in the middle of the year

internationals are the end of the year

there is literally no relevance between the two

if anything samoa vs tonga in rugby league has the potential to be another origin for the nrl on a smaller scale

don’t need to get into schools. Cherry-pick them after that and put them into elite junior programs
 
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Troll away dude.
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This gy really nails it!

I've played both for plenty of years and on the field they're much the same in terms of physicality and enjoyment.

Rugby League however is the far superior television/viewing product.

  • Tries are scored more often
  • Tries matter more in the League scoring system.
  • On screen watching, you can ascertain what is going on and why 99% of the time. Union often has players doing things with information the viewer at home can't see.
  • Union is a mess to watch in it's most critical area, ball retention. For a viewer, it's often seeing only the result, not the actual work and intricacy.
  • A rolling mass of human flesh for minutes on end, leading to the referee seemingly randomly throwing his hand up for one side or the other is death for interest.
  • League rules often change to enhance the viewing experience as well as for logical reasons, like the addition of the 40/20 and removal of the corner-post as an obstacle.
  • Big hits in open play are more common IMO
  • Players in union often try NOT to make too big of a break for fear of losing the ball in the breakdown, whereas Rugby League payers are encouraged to do it, because duh, it's awesome.
  • The previous point leads to more adventurous and exciting moments in attack and defence. A winger trying to beat a flying fullback to the corner for a try is a better thing than the winger essentially submitting in a tackle after slowing down so his team can catch up.
  • Union is stifled by antiquated rules, and some of the most critical changes they could make would only make them more like Rugby League so they actively avoid doing it, to their detriment.
  • Rugby League club players often walk into State or International Rugby teams and excell, giving the impression that League players' skillset and physical attributes are better. Union players seldom make the change as effectively unless it's before the age of 20.
  • Occasionally a Rugby League tar will up and try to be an AFL player, or NFL player, which is simultaneously annoying and intriguing.
  • State of Origin. Union has nothing comparable, even at international level
 
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Wb1234

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Gobsmacked said:
This gy really nails it!

I've played both for plenty of years and on the field they're much the same in terms of physicality and enjoyment.

Rugby League however is the far superior television/viewing product.

  • Tries are scored more often
  • Tries matter more in the League scoring system.
  • On screen watching, you can ascertain what is going on and why 99% of the time. Union often has players doing things with information the viewer at home can't see.
  • Union is a mess to watch in it's most critical area, ball retention. For a viewer, it's often seeing only the result, not the actual work and intricacy.
  • A rolling mass of human flesh for minutes on end, leading to the referee seemingly randomly throwing his hand up for one side or the other is death for interest.
  • League rules often change to enhance the viewing experience as well as for logical reasons, like the addition of the 40/20 and removal of the corner-post as an obstacle.
  • Big hits in open play are more common IMO
  • Players in union often try NOT to make too big of a break for fear of losing the ball in the breakdown, whereas Rugby League payers are encouraged to do it, because duh, it's awesome.
  • The previous point leads to more adventurous and exciting moments in attack and defence. A winger trying to beat a flying fullback to the corner for a try is a better thing than the winger essentially submitting in a tackle after slowing down so his team can catch up.
  • Union is stifled by antiquated rules, and some of the most critical changes they could make would only make them more like Rugby League so they actively avoid doing it, to their detriment.
  • Rugby League club players often walk into State or International Rugby teams and excell, giving the impression that League players' skillset and physical attributes are better. Union players seldom make the change as effectively unless it's before the age of 20.
  • Occasionally a Rugby League tar will up and try to be an AFL player, or NFL player, which is simultaneously annoying and intriguing.
  • State of Origin. Union has nothing comparable, even at international level
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I played union

I was too small for league I’d have got belted lol

ball in play time is drastically different too
 
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Gobsmacked said:
This gy really nails it!

I've played both for plenty of years and on the field they're much the same in terms of physicality and enjoyment.

Rugby League however is the far superior television/viewing product.

  • Tries are scored more often
  • Tries matter more in the League scoring system.
  • On screen watching, you can ascertain what is going on and why 99% of the time. Union often has players doing things with information the viewer at home can't see.
  • Union is a mess to watch in it's most critical area, ball retention. For a viewer, it's often seeing only the result, not the actual work and intricacy.
  • A rolling mass of human flesh for minutes on end, leading to the referee seemingly randomly throwing his hand up for one side or the other is death for interest.
  • League rules often change to enhance the viewing experience as well as for logical reasons, like the addition of the 40/20 and removal of the corner-post as an obstacle.
  • Big hits in open play are more common IMO
  • Players in union often try NOT to make too big of a break for fear of losing the ball in the breakdown, whereas Rugby League payers are encouraged to do it, because duh, it's awesome.
  • The previous point leads to more adventurous and exciting moments in attack and defence. A winger trying to beat a flying fullback to the corner for a try is a better thing than the winger essentially submitting in a tackle after slowing down so his team can catch up.
  • Union is stifled by antiquated rules, and some of the most critical changes they could make would only make them more like Rugby League so they actively avoid doing it, to their detriment.
  • Rugby League club players often walk into State or International Rugby teams and excell, giving the impression that League players' skillset and physical attributes are better. Union players seldom make the change as effectively unless it's before the age of 20.
  • Occasionally a Rugby League tar will up and try to be an AFL player, or NFL player, which is simultaneously annoying and intriguing.
  • State of Origin. Union has nothing comparable, even at international level
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Wb1234 said:
Origin is on in the middle of the year

internationals are the end of the year

there is literally no relevance between the two

if anything samoa vs tonga in rugby league has the potential to be another origin for the nrl on a smaller scale

don’t need to get into schools. Cherry-pick them after that and put them into elite junior programs
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First bold, which has little relevance to the bulk of the NZ population. Personally I'll support Samoa over Tonga but like NSW v Qld I don't really care about either of them at a deeper level. Most NZers will care less than I do.

The NRL is always trying the second bold, it's doesn't really work.
 
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Matua said:
First bold, which has little relevance to the bulk of the NZ population. Personally I'll support Samoa over Tonga but like NSW v Qld I don't really care about either of them at a deeper level. Most NZers will care less than I do.

The NRL is always trying the second bold, it's doesn't really work.
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Yeh lucky there’s loads of islanders in nz who do care

you might’ve missed the sell out crowds there

and they are playing New Zealand too lol
 
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Gobsmacked said:
Funny how I'm a troll... talking up Rugby league... on a Rugby league forum...🤔🤦‍♂️🤣
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No you're trolling because you're trolling, the type of forum really doesn't matter. I don't know why you're choosing to do it on a league forum.
 
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Wb1234 said:
Yeh lucky there’s loads of islanders in nz who do care

you might’ve missed the sell out crowds there

and they are playing New Zealand too lol
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And It appears you don't know Islanders any more than you know NZers. They were there to support their countries team, the sport was largely irrelevant.

And its those self same Islander kids who are abandoning Contact team sports at an increasing rate.
 
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Matua said:
No you're trolling because you're trolling, the type of forum really doesn't matter. I don't know why you're choosing to do it on a league forum.
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This is an opinion forum. I have an opinion. I stated as such at the heading of.... wait for it.... My thread! 😉
 
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Matua said:
First bold, which has little relevance to the bulk of the NZ population. Personally I'll support Samoa over Tonga but like NSW v Qld I don't really care about either of them at a deeper level. Most NZers will care less than I do.

The NRL is always trying the second bold, it's doesn't really work.
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Stuff

i.stuff.co.nz i.stuff.co.nz

Here you go there’s a reminder
 
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Wb1234 said:
On a thread you started and which is based on an article by one of the bosses of the arlc

lmao
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Interesting to see how the NRL and NZRL approach promoting the game in the South Pacific from hereon. My guess is that the NRL they envisions a 20 team comp. That leaves room for Perth, NZ2 and maybe PNG. If that’s the case a South Pacific wide strategy would definitely enhance the game in NZ. Hell but what would I know lol
 
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Te Kaha said:
And It appears you don't know Islanders any more than you know NZers. They were there to support their countries team, the sport was largely irrelevant.

And its those self same Islander kids who are abandoning Contact team sports at an increasing rate.
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O you know everyone. Great say hi to Jane and the kids for me!
Tell her not to over water those tomatoes.. little joke between the 2 of us 😎
 
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