New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

Yeh lucky there’s loads of islanders in nz who do care

you might’ve missed the sell out crowds there

and they are playing New Zealand too lol

There's not enough Samoans and Tongans in NZ for your dreams of league taking over in NZ to be a reality.

It's a small part of Auckland, the small part that is essentially the only place that league has any imprint these days.

 

[Te Kaha]

O you know everyone. Great say hi to Jane and the kids for me!
Tell her not to over water those tomatoes.. little joke between the 2 of us

Very little joke, that makes no sense. Much like the rest of your posts.

 

[Wb1234]

Interesting to see how the NRL and NZRL approach promoting the game in the South Pacific from hereon. My guess is that the NRL they envisions a 20 team comp. That leaves room for Perth, NZ2 and maybe PNG. If that’s the case a South Pacific wide strategy would definitely enhance the game in NZ. Hell but what would I know lol

Team 18 will be announced potentially this year and it will be Perth

then in around five years after Perth it will be south west qld and then a few years after that it will be nz for 20 teams

that still leaves Adelaide central coast and png so they might keep expanding past 20

it depends on how competitive the dolphins and Perth are and how much extra tv money we get

 

[Wb1234]

There's not enough Samoans and Tongans in NZ for your dreams of league taking over in NZ to be a reality.

It's a small part of Auckland, the small part that is essentially the only place that league has any imprint these days.

Are you trying to ignore the obvious

I never said it’s only islanders that will support league in nz

im showing you the test did matter to people in nz enough to sell out

 

[Gobsmacked]

Very little joke, that makes no sense. Much like the rest of your posts.

You know everyone in NZ and everyone in the Pacific Islands..
It should make perfect sense..
Surely you know Jane..

Or you don't know everyone in NZ and the Pacific ..
Have you been fibbing?

 

[Pneuma]

Team 18 will be announced potentially this year and it will be Perth

then in around five years after Perth it will be south west qld and then a few years after that it will be nz for 20 teams

that still leaves Adelaide central coast and png so they might keep expanding past 20

it depends on how competitive the dolphins and Perth are and how much extra tv money we get

Looking at elite comps around the world in other codes 20 teams is about right. Interestingly the attendance differentials between clubs is far more profound than in the NRL. The EPL, Bundesliga and other comps usually have a 700-800% variation in average attendances from top to bottom. In the NRL it’s roughly 200%. But that’s a discussion for another thread.

 

[Matua]

This is an opinion forum. I have an opinion. I stated as such at the heading of.... wait for it.... My thread!

Having an opinion doesn't mean you can't troll, even within your own thread.

You responded to a good faith post of mine by ignoring the premise of my question and posting an irrelevant link. Then did another similar post. That's just being a troll. Posting a somewhat coherent response much later doesn't mean you weren't trolling previously.

 

[Te Kaha]

You know everyone in NZ and everyone in the Pacific Islands..
It should make perfect sense..
Surely you know Jane..

Or you don't know everyone in NZ and the Pacific ..
Have you been fibbing?

More lies from you. Never once claimed that.

I do know more about those peoples than you do, Living amongst them does that. Something Australians don't understand.

 

[Wb1234]

Having an opinion doesn't mean you can't troll, even within your own thread.

You responded to a good faith post of mine by ignoring the premise of my question and posting an irrelevant link. Then did another similar post. That's just being a troll. Posting a somewhat coherent response much later doesn't mean you weren't trolling previously.

Well you didn’t discuss his point

the ball in play time is like 36 minutes in union at best

Looking at elite comps around the world in other codes 20 teams is about right. Interestingly the attendance differentials between clubs is far more profound than in the NRL. The EPL, Bundesliga and other comps usually have a 700-800% variation in average attendances from top to bottom. In the NRL it’s roughly 200%. But that’s a discussion for another thread.

Crowds don’t matter so much given most of the money is coming from tv rights in terms of clubs finances

when your getting 5 million more than the cap you can survive on crowds under 10k which although no being ideal makes it easier for clubs to prosper

 

[Gobsmacked]

Having an opinion doesn't mean you can't troll, even within your own thread.

You responded to a good faith post of mine by ignoring the premise of my question and posting an irrelevant link. Then did another similar post. That's just being a troll. Posting a somewhat coherent response much later doesn't mean you weren't trolling previously.

We were talking about why league is better than Union ( which it is without doubt) so I posted links , opinions and analogies as to why...

I'm sorry it was so irrefutable that it could only be seen as trolling..

 

[Matua]

This gy really nails it!

I've played both for plenty of years and on the field they're much the same in terms of physicality and enjoyment.

Rugby League however is the far superior television/viewing product.

• Tries are scored more often
• Tries matter more in the League scoring system.
• On screen watching, you can ascertain what is going on and why 99% of the time. Union often has players doing things with information the viewer at home can't see.
• Union is a mess to watch in it's most critical area, ball retention. For a viewer, it's often seeing only the result, not the actual work and intricacy.
• A rolling mass of human flesh for minutes on end, leading to the referee seemingly randomly throwing his hand up for one side or the other is death for interest.
• League rules often change to enhance the viewing experience as well as for logical reasons, like the addition of the 40/20 and removal of the corner-post as an obstacle.
• Big hits in open play are more common IMO
• Players in union often try NOT to make too big of a break for fear of losing the ball in the breakdown, whereas Rugby League payers are encouraged to do it, because duh, it's awesome.
• The previous point leads to more adventurous and exciting moments in attack and defence. A winger trying to beat a flying fullback to the corner for a try is a better thing than the winger essentially submitting in a tackle after slowing down so his team can catch up.
• Union is stifled by antiquated rules, and some of the most critical changes they could make would only make them more like Rugby League so they actively avoid doing it, to their detriment.
• Rugby League club players often walk into State or International Rugby teams and excell, giving the impression that League players' skillset and physical attributes are better. Union players seldom make the change as effectively unless it's before the age of 20.
• Occasionally a Rugby League tar will up and try to be an AFL player, or NFL player, which is simultaneously annoying and intriguing.
• State of Origin. Union has nothing comparable, even at international level

I'm glad you've actually tried to post something constructive for once, but you know that most of that is subjective, and the reason I asked you to do the thought experiment was so that you'd see that rugby fans on the whole believe the opposite in most of your bullet points.

 

[Gobsmacked]

More lies from you. Never once claimed that.

I do know more about those peoples than you do, Living amongst them does that. Something Australians don't understand.

Well if you lived in Australia.. you'd know I live with them too.. like more than Australians!
So you have no idea at all.
You live in a little private school boys echo chamber within New Zealand
And you can't get close to the sentiment of ALL of New Zealand.

 

[Matua]

We were talking about why league is better than Union ( which it is without doubt) so I posted links , opinions and analogies as to why...

I'm sorry it was so irrefutable that it could only be seen as trolling..

Mate, I simply asked you to put think about the perspective of a rugby fan to help give you some context as to why league will struggle to overtake rugby in NZ. You ignored that and went on your posting of links.

 

[Matua]

Well if you lived in Australia.. you'd know I live with them too.. like more than Australians!
So you have no idea at all.
You live in a little private school boys echo chamber within New Zealand
And you can't get close to the sentiment of ALL of New Zealand.

This highlights how misinformed you are about NZ. It's not Australia, rugby is not a private school game, it's an all schools game.

 

[Wb1234]

Well if you lived in Australia.. you'd know I live with them too.. like more than Australians!
So you have no idea at all.
You live in a little private school boys echo chamber within New Zealand
And you can't get close to the sentiment of ALL of New Zealand.

Yeh it’s not like half of New Zealand had emigrated to the eastern suburbs of Sydney lol

 

[Wb1234]

This highlights how misinformed you are about NZ. It's not Australia, rugby is not a private school game, it's an all schools game.

Where most schools ban the playing of rugby league

and still the game thrives

 

[Te Kaha]

Well if you lived in Australia.. you'd know I live with them too.. like more than Australians!
So you have no idea at all.
You live in a little private school boys echo chamber within New Zealand
And you can't get close to the sentiment of ALL of New Zealand.

You live in Australia in a city were League rules all. When have you ever lived among the rank and file of NZers or in the Pacific Islands where it has never been? I'll not hold my breath for an answer.

And the "private school boys" quip shows just how little you do know. Rugby is in the public school system, the public\private thing doesn't exist here.

 

[Matua]

Where most schools ban the playing of rugby league

and still the game thrives

We discussed this earlier in the thread - we're discussing the here and now, not history. There's no league competition for most schools even if they wanted to play in one. As I said early my old school used to play in a league comp that no longer exists and all the players were rugby players.

 

[Te Kaha]

Where most schools ban the playing of rugby league

and still the game thrives

Most Schools do not bad the playing of League, . That is a blatant lie, that would now be illegal in NZ. Most schools don't play league due to lack of interest.

NZ Rugby and the provinces invest millions into the school system, NZRL does not.

 

[Gobsmacked]

This highlights how misinformed you are about NZ. It's not Australia, rugby is not a private school game, it's an all schools game.

Well fair enough to that point. But it doesn't change the fact that 1 person can't ascertain the sentiment of an entire nation. He has a small group of friends ect and the articles and statistics which we all have access.
Just because you and a few of your buddies agree, doesn't speak for a nation.