New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

Hamilton is far enough distance, that its close to both Auckland and the BoP area, without it being too invasive to the warriors, if that goes well a Christchurch or Wellington team could come in down the line, i mean the chiefs and blues both have teams, seems like a no brainer to go there first since the bulk of NZ population is in that region of the north island

Not sure if the Chiefs and Blues are a great analogy, they were both formed at the same time and their initial supporter bases came from nearly 100 year old provinces. I don't think NZ2 would have the same ability to pull in fans. Personally I think the geographical area is too close. And long term, I think it will be detrimental to domestic league as it just further concentrates the pathways for league in NZ in a small area from the Tron to the Harbour bridge.

 

[Matua]

Despite what you say about ‘Union trolls’ I am ironically been called the opposite on Union forums for defending league against people of a similar vein- it’s possible to enjoy both sports and I feel sorry for those who limit themselves.

It's hilarious how alike Gob and Wb are to their rugby counterparts on rugby forums. It is quite comical.

I've found it's mostly Aussies on both sides that are the ones fighting the forever war.

 

[Wb1234]

Far as I know, the the CHCH pop. comfortably exceeds Hobart does it not? Likewise the broader catchment areas of the South Is/Tassie.

But yes, very much a rugby town. More so than anywhere else in NZ probably.

He got mixed up with the population of the whole of tasmania which isn’t surprising

 

[Wb1234]

The pride of New Zealand

 

[shewi6]

Extra sold out game vs the dolphins would
Be worth a few millon on its own

It would be worth a bit with the ticket prices the bronx charge, but last year it was played at the gabba so not really I'm guessing.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

People, quite rightfully laugh at Hobart being included in the AFL.

But turnaround and have no problem with Christchurch? A town of half the size and one that is firmly a Union heartland?

Christchurch half the size of Hobart? Where you getting that from?
Hobart has 252k population, Christchurch 396k, and you could probably add 50-70 k to both for surrounding satellite towns.

 

[Matua]

Christchurch half the size of Hobart? Where you getting that from?
Hobart has 252k population, Christchurch 396k, and you could probably add 50-70 k to both for surrounding satellite towns.

To be the hall monitor/pedant for a minute , he already owned up to the mistake in a subsequent post:

My bad Hobart is much less, I conflated it with the whole of Tasmania.

But still tiny population base for a NRL team.

Realistically Auckland, being somewhere league has a presence and a large populace is the only realistic option.

And this would be a massive problem for the Warriors, who are only just getting back on their feet.

 

[Perth Red]

For years you've used the Melbourne Storm as a reason to expand into Adelaide and Perth.

The club has been camped inside the top four of the NRL ladder over the bulk of its existence.

That means you think one of two things:

1. The Storm's onfield success has not influenced people to support them actively, nor has it influenced fans from other teams to watch their games as neutrals​

2. The Storm have strong support because they've been successful on the field.​

If you hold the second point of view then you're arguing that teams in Adelaide and Perth will be just as successful on the field as the Storm.

Only a delusional idiot would think Adelaide and Perth will sit inside the top four on the ladder every year alongside Melbourne.

When the Broncos make a grand final you finally acknowledge that onfield success is important to generate a supporter base?

The Broncos were the most watched NRL club across the country when they finished with the wooden spoon in 2020. They still drew strong crowds and were the most watched club in the following years.

How many Storm supporters will stick around when the club ends up with a wooden spoon?

You mean apart from them being top 5 in attendances, top 5 in memberships and top 5 in tv audiences? Yeh no active fan base growth at all! haha you’re funny.
Of course success brings fans doh. But Perth isnt melbourne and has a much bigger rl community from day 1 than Storm had, it’s basically taken 25 years of Storm success to get RL in melbourne to the same interest level Perth is at now.
and Adelaide I’ve said only works, due to absolute neglect from the arlc, if it’s a second tier established club moving there.

 

[Perth Red]

Wellington or Christchurch has to be the location, if there’s enough fanbase and corporates in either city reminds the big question mark. And financial backers to give nrl some security. At least with the South Island bid option coming through we’ll get to see if there is enough backing to make it viable.
perth 2027
nz2 2030
club 20 2032 - png, brisbane3, Sunshine Coast or Adelaide bears

 

[Canard]

You mean apart from them being top 5 in attendances, top 5 in memberships and top 5 in tv audiences? Yeh no active fan base growth at all! haha you’re funny.
Of course success brings fans doh. But Perth isnt melbourne and has a much bigger rl community from day 1 than Storm had, it’s basically taken 25 years of Storm success to get RL in melbourne to the same interest level Perth is at now.
and Adelaide I’ve said only works, due to absolute neglect from the arlc, if it’s a second tier established club moving there.

Be keen to understand how @Wb1234 and @Get Rid of The Donkeys spin this attendance as a failure

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Wellington or Christchurch has to be the location, if there’s enough fanbase and corporates in either city reminds the big question mark. And financial backers to give nrl some security. At least with the South Island bid option coming through we’ll get to see if there is enough backing to make it viable.
perth 2027
nz2 2030
club 20 2032 - png, brisbane3, Sunshine Coast or Adelaide bears

Wellington has no shortage of corporates- being the capital a fair few company and bank HQ are based there rather than Auckland.

 

[Wb1234]

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Matiunz]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Why is it the 20 somethings were balding middle aged men that looked at least 20 years older in the 70s/80s? Life must have been tough

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You mean apart from them being top 5 in attendances, top 5 in memberships and top 5 in tv audiences? Yeh no active fan base growth at all! haha you’re funny.
Of course success brings fans doh. But Perth isnt melbourne and has a much bigger rl community from day 1 than Storm had, it’s basically taken 25 years of Storm success to get RL in melbourne to the same interest level Perth is at now.
and Adelaide I’ve said only works, due to absolute neglect from the arlc, if it’s a second tier established club moving there.

You ignored the points I made about your cognitive dissonance.

Storm's attendances dropped below 9k after the club missed the top eight a couple of times in the early 2000s.

Reds averaged less than 9k over 66% of their existence.

 

[Matua]

TikTok - Make Your Day

What is generally hilarious about this was that you've actually picked a tiktok of one of the few times the AB's could have used a league player. The best AB fullback of the era had switched to league a year or two before that.

Although from all reports there were better fullbacks around at the time but they opted to go with the (@Matiunz you'll find this funny) young 21 year old with an eye to the future.

Although, TBF, not sure of the relevance of footage from the 1970s.

 

[Perth Red]

You ignored the points I made about your cognitive dissonance.

Storm's attendances dropped below 9k after the club missed the top eight a couple of times in the early 2000s.

Reds averaged less than 9k over 66% of their existence.

Would you like me to list every nrl club that has had a crowd avg of less than 9k in Its existence?

 

[blue bags]

Pasifika Bear's
Don't worry about NZ 2

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Would you like me to list every nrl club that has had a crowd avg of less than 9k in Its existence?

None of the current NRL clubs in Queensland have averaged less than 9k.

 

[Canard]

The Gold Coast Chargers averaged 8900 in 1997, and the Crushers 7000.

 

[Maximus]

The Gold Coast Chargers averaged 8900 in 1997, and the Crushers 7000.

Who is shocked that donkey is inconsistent in his arguments yet again.