New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

Some of the trepidation about getting too excited about the current crop is from experience of the Warriors over the years and many long term fans while enjoying the ride are taking a “wait and see” approach as despite what you may think we HAVE seen it all before a few times and it’s a recency bias to think this is the first time.
Era 1 1995- The hype around the Warriors debut was fever pitch from the fan poll to name the team, each new player announcement Warriors merch was everywhere and the hottest item. Then the build up to the first match -EVERY fan remembers exactly where they were that Friday night in March. The team were expected to be the next Broncos but sadly after a slow start a dodgy interchange cost us a playoffs spot and a badly needed boost. 1996 came and interest fizzled.
Era 2 2001 The ‘Auckland Warriors’ went bust and the license became the current NZ Warriors, a new no name coach turns up and scrambles to get a roster together, team surprises everyone and make the playoffs. This then lifts again in 2002 where the Warriors become the most exciting team in the league with a mix of intimidating forwards bullying everyone and the Harlem globetrotter style ‘Warriorball’ backs Storm to the minor premiership and look certain to win the comp, the ‘big warrior forwards’ and ‘Warriorball stereotypes exist to this day. Finals come and thousands of expats line up to show their passports for tickets they fall short but follow it up in 2003 looking again a good chance after destroying the dogs in a semi only to fade against eventual premiers Penrith. The team is NZ team and everyone is on the bandwagon. 2004 the egos of the hype get the better of players and the coach looses the dressing room and the wheels well and truely fall off.
Era 3 2011, basically playing sudden death 10 weeks from the finals the public is along for the ride when exciting prospect Shaun Johnson emerges, Manu is in Career best form, Mateo doing freak things. Freak wins against the Tigers and Storm and suddenly we are in an unlikely gf. I remember the flags flying from cars even in Wellington. 3 grades in the gf, incoming Kiwi coach coming off some mini dominance over Aus and the future looked bright- 6 weeks into 2012 and it was all over.
Era 4 2018, a bunch of kiwi players coming home, a fast start seeing us top of the table and many thinking Kearney had translated his Kangaroo conquering ways to the Warriors- a early finals exit, pissing SJ off and eventually covid then spiralled the team into its lowest point to the point where even die hard fans were finally saying enough is enough and abandoning the team.
Which then brings us to our current era where there were zero expectations on Webby but he more than exceeded expectations. Sure the current ride is amazing but fans also know AFB is gone next year, SJ is a year to year prospect possibly in his last season, Tohu is literally held together by tape and on his last legs, RTS is on his last contract- those are some pretty big shoes to fill, pessimistic perhaps but valid concerns.
The Warriors bandwagon trope is tried and true and it’ll be curious to see how many new fans stick around if results slump.

Episode one killed by going to super league and union going pro

episode two fhe wahs best period

episode 3 one off fluke year

last year wahs didn’t even make the grand final and they were selling out grounds

 

[Perth Red]

Making a dent? Like sold out back to back in Christchurch?

A sport is far far more than just attendance at top tier club. Revenue, participation rates,tv audiences, pro club attendances, presence in schools, interest in international teams, media covg and so it goes on. League in nz is miles behind union in a stack of metrics when it comes to popularity of sport. It will take a lot of effort and money for league to make a dent in a number of these metrics. Something that until recently the nrl has largely been happy to not be bothered about.

 

[Wb1234]

Incorrect on so many fronts lol
there’s 4,100 players in WA.
Of that around 3,600 are u19.
around 95% of wa players play within a days drive of perth
4100 registered players is on par with many nrl club catchment areas and greater than some

None will make regular nrl unlike christchurch

 

[Perth Red]

None will make regular nrl unlike christchurch

Why?

 

[Wb1234]

Why?

Don’t have the competition juniors in nsw and qld have

 

[final say]

Episode one killed by going to super league and union going pro

episode two fhe wahs best period

episode 3 one off fluke year

last year wahs didn’t even make the grand final and they were selling out grounds

These aren't League fans. Any actual fans know what they are looking at bares no resemblance of any past Warriors team.
These observations are by simply existing in NZ during these times and witnessing the hype.
If you talk to a real fan, they know what Webster has brought is a coulter shift and structural changes in feeder teams ect that will not only ensure long term success but knowing that they will turn up to play every week.
There's a pride in the jumper.
That's just the Warriors.
NZ talent is higher than ever , they just pumped Australia and the great kiwi talent just keeps coming through. NZ could very well take over Australia over the next few years permanently as the best international team in Rugby league, that will see a seismic shift in the way everyday kiwis views Rugby league..
If the NRL put another team in NZ we will see most drastic migration across code since Dally Messenger signed up to the NSW Rugby League over a century ago.

 

[Perth Red]

Don’t have the competition juniors in nsw and qld have

How is that different in chistchurch?
with an nrl club comes junior systems and improvement throughout the pathway systems. That will be the same for nz2 and WA.

 

[final say]

Incorrect on so many fronts lol
there’s 4,100 players in WA.
Of that around 3,600 are u19.
around 95% of wa players play within a days drive of perth
4100 registered players is on par with many nrl club catchment areas and greater than some

Link ?

 

[final say]

Incorrect on so many fronts lol
there’s 4,100 players in WA.
Of that around 3,600 are u19.
around 95% of wa players play within a days drive of perth
4100 registered players is on par with many nrl club catchment areas and greater than some

Pilbara Rugby League

pilbararugbyleague.teamapp.com

That's close to Perth right? Lol

 

[Wb1234]

How is that different in chistchurch?
with an nrl club comes junior systems and improvement throughout the pathway systems. That will be the same for nz2 and WA.

Rugby town

 

[Perth Red]

Link ?

4100 players

Government to support third party bidder for WA-based NRL team

McGowan Government to support potential third-party bid for a WA-based NRL team. Preliminary work has already begun with VenuesWest appointing consultants Freshwater Strategy to ascertain interest from potential third parties and determine bid structure.

www.venueswest.wa.gov.au

3600 u19’s
there are approx 20 snr men’s and women’s team in nrlwa. @25 players per team (or which some will be U19 anyway) that’s approx 500 players, leaving 3600 u19 players

95% of players within a days drive
27 clubs in WA, 20 clubs within a days drive of perth, the outer regional clubs have ltd teams they run compared to the city clubs who run multiple age groups teams.

NRL WA Clubs - NRL WA

Welcome to our NRL WA Clubs & Affiliates Page we do hope you find a Club near you, Please note for ALL Player, Coach or Volunteer registrations visit playrugbyleague.com Perth League Northern Fusion Regional Representative RL System Alkimos Tigers Ellenbrook Rabbitohs Joondalup Giants North...

nrlwa.com.au

Other nrl,club catchments

souths
16 clubs 3000 players

Souths Juniors Foundation - South Sydney District Junior Rugby Football League

INTRODUCING OUR FOUNDATIONThe idea and strategy for a Souths Juniors Foundation has come from a pure grassroots belief that South Sydney District Junior Rugby League Football Club has always been the starting point of developing young kids into champion NRL Rabbitoh players. It is a true family...

southsjuniors.com.au

canterbury
3,300 players

The Rebuild of Canterbury’s Junior Pathways

From a specialist halves Academy to 5am gym sessions, take a look inside Canterbury’s junior development rebuild.

www.bulldogs.com.au

cronulla
13 clubs 5,500 players

CLUBS | Cronulla Junior Rugby League

Looking for a club with in the Cronulla Junior Rugby League then this page has links to all 14 clubs and grounds. Cronulla JRL.

www.cronullajrl.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Pilbara Rugby League

pilbararugbyleague.teamapp.com

That's close to Perth right? Lol

lol,tell me you know nothing about WA RL without telling me

 

[final say]

4100 players

Government to support third party bidder for WA-based NRL team

McGowan Government to support potential third-party bid for a WA-based NRL team. Preliminary work has already begun with VenuesWest appointing consultants Freshwater Strategy to ascertain interest from potential third parties and determine bid structure.

www.venueswest.wa.gov.au

3600 u19’s
there are approx 20 snr men’s and women’s team in nrlwa. @25 players per team (or which some will be U19 anyway) that’s approx 500 players, leaving 3600 u19 players

95% of players within a days drive
27 clubs in WA, 20 clubs within a days drive of perth, the outer regional clubs have ltd teams they run compared to the city clubs who run multiple age groups teams.

NRL WA Clubs - NRL WA

Welcome to our NRL WA Clubs & Affiliates Page we do hope you find a Club near you, Please note for ALL Player, Coach or Volunteer registrations visit playrugbyleague.com Perth League Northern Fusion Regional Representative RL System Alkimos Tigers Ellenbrook Rabbitohs Joondalup Giants North...

nrlwa.com.au

Other nrl,club catchments

souths
16 clubs 3000 players

Souths Juniors Foundation - South Sydney District Junior Rugby Football League

INTRODUCING OUR FOUNDATIONThe idea and strategy for a Souths Juniors Foundation has come from a pure grassroots belief that South Sydney District Junior Rugby League Football Club has always been the starting point of developing young kids into champion NRL Rabbitoh players. It is a true family...

southsjuniors.com.au

canterbury
3,300 players

The Rebuild of Canterbury’s Junior Pathways

From a specialist halves Academy to 5am gym sessions, take a look inside Canterbury’s junior development rebuild.

www.bulldogs.com.au

cronulla
13 clubs 5,500 players

CLUBS | Cronulla Junior Rugby League

Looking for a club with in the Cronulla Junior Rugby League then this page has links to all 14 clubs and grounds. Cronulla JRL.

www.cronullajrl.com.au

I can't be f**ked with you.

 

[Matiunz]

These aren't League fans. Any actual fans know what they are looking at bares no resemblance of any past Warriors team.
These observations are by simply existing in NZ during these times and witnessing the hype.
If you talk to a real fan, they know what Webster has brought is a coulter shift and structural changes in feeder teams ect that will not only ensure long term success but knowing that they will turn up to play every week.
There's a pride in the jumper.
That's just the Warriors.
NZ talent is higher than ever , they just pumped Australia and the great kiwi talent just keeps coming through. NZ could very well take over Australia over the next few years permanently as the best international team in Rugby league, that will see a seismic shift in the way everyday kiwis views Rugby league..
If the NRL put another team in NZ we will see most drastic migration across code since Dally Messenger signed up to the NSW Rugby League over a century ago.

Mate your consistently showing you have no clue, Anderson brought in a Culture (coulter) shift, Cleary brought in a culture shift, Cappy brought in a culture shift- apart from Cleary maintained lower 8 period of stability the rest have not lasted, there is massive HOPE Webbys will but it remains to be seen, even this year there’s a few concerning cracks in each of the games (averaging 40 mins strong performance and 40mins sub par) if 2-3 years down the track we are still humming I’ll be more than happy but we have our 4 best players who won’t by with us by then and that’s where the test will be.
Kiwis not with standing the NZRL is a basket case organisation with a history of incompetence - recent evidenced by turning down Bennet in favour of Stacy.
Again your lack of historical knowledge is showing, we’ve been in a more dominant period of dominance as recently as Kearney, even the most recent win whilst amazing you conveniently forget we got pumped by Aus just 1 week prior, the ever present threat of having our limited playing stocks defect to Tonga or Samoa is also very real.
Not sure where an anonymous troll gets off questioning fandom, Warriors fans have done it tough over the years and I’ve more than paid my dues, judging by your posts I suspect you’ve barely seen a Warriors game in your life and will cling desperately to any straw that you think helps with your agenda.

 

[Vlad59]

A sport is far far more than just attendance at top tier club. Revenue, participation rates,tv audiences, pro club attendances, presence in schools, interest in international teams, media covg and so it goes on. League in nz is miles behind union in a stack of metrics when it comes to popularity of sport. It will take a lot of effort and money for league to make a dent in a number of these metrics. Something that until recently the nrl has largely been happy to not be bothered about.

They actually have been actively engaged in all those things but you are such a morose negative turd you missed it all.

 

[Vlad59]

4100 players

Government to support third party bidder for WA-based NRL team

McGowan Government to support potential third-party bid for a WA-based NRL team. Preliminary work has already begun with VenuesWest appointing consultants Freshwater Strategy to ascertain interest from potential third parties and determine bid structure.

www.venueswest.wa.gov.au

3600 u19’s
there are approx 20 snr men’s and women’s team in nrlwa. @25 players per team (or which some will be U19 anyway) that’s approx 500 players, leaving 3600 u19 players

95% of players within a days drive
27 clubs in WA, 20 clubs within a days drive of perth, the outer regional clubs have ltd teams they run compared to the city clubs who run multiple age groups teams.

NRL WA Clubs - NRL WA

Welcome to our NRL WA Clubs & Affiliates Page we do hope you find a Club near you, Please note for ALL Player, Coach or Volunteer registrations visit playrugbyleague.com Perth League Northern Fusion Regional Representative RL System Alkimos Tigers Ellenbrook Rabbitohs Joondalup Giants North...

nrlwa.com.au

Other nrl,club catchments

souths
16 clubs 3000 players

Souths Juniors Foundation - South Sydney District Junior Rugby Football League

INTRODUCING OUR FOUNDATIONThe idea and strategy for a Souths Juniors Foundation has come from a pure grassroots belief that South Sydney District Junior Rugby League Football Club has always been the starting point of developing young kids into champion NRL Rabbitoh players. It is a true family...

southsjuniors.com.au

canterbury
3,300 players

The Rebuild of Canterbury’s Junior Pathways

From a specialist halves Academy to 5am gym sessions, take a look inside Canterbury’s junior development rebuild.

www.bulldogs.com.au

cronulla
13 clubs 5,500 players

CLUBS | Cronulla Junior Rugby League

Looking for a club with in the Cronulla Junior Rugby League then this page has links to all 14 clubs and grounds. Cronulla JRL.

www.cronullajrl.com.au

wtf had this to do with New Zealand?

 

[Vlad59]

I can't be f**ked with you.

He’s trolling

 

[final say]

Mate your consistently showing you have no clue, Anderson brought in a Culture (coulter) shift, Cleary brought in a culture shift, Cappy brought in a culture shift- apart from Cleary maintained lower 8 period of stability the rest have not lasted, there is massive HOPE Webbys will but it remains to be seen, even this year there’s a few concerning cracks in each of the games (averaging 40 mins strong performance and 40mins sub par) if 2-3 years down the track we are still humming I’ll be more than happy but we have our 4 best players who won’t by with us by then and that’s where the test will be.
Kiwis not with standing the NZRL is a basket case organisation with a history of incompetence - recent evidenced by turning down Bennet in favour of Stacy.
Again your lack of historical knowledge is showing, we’ve been in a more dominant period of dominance as recently as Kearney, even the most recent win whilst amazing you conveniently forget we got pumped by Aus just 1 week prior, the ever present threat of having our limited playing stocks defect to Tonga or Samoa is also very real.
Not sure where an anonymous troll gets off questioning fandom, Warriors fans have done it tough over the years and I’ve more than paid my dues, judging by your posts I suspect you’ve barely seen a Warriors game in your life and will cling desperately to any straw that you think helps with your agenda.

Ok, so you watch rl and your interpretation is that of a casual fan. It'll take longer ( maybe 4 years as you suggest) for the to understand the current state of affairs. You need hindsight.
Couture shifts haven't truly happened at the Warriors, those were media sound bits that contextualised those events in a way the average punter could digest and best serve the bandwagon moment. You were sold a narrative. The Warriors have been through some good coaching ,good recruitment , good form and fortune .
The fact that it didn't endure over time is direct proof of that.
A coulter shift is a change in the fabric of a club that lasts many years. If Cleary had stayed, you would have witnessed that but no doubt he probably wasn't equipped to enact that then because he has only developed that vital piece of his coaching a few years ago. He didn't get to that point at the Tigers either ( hadn't figured out exactly how to get everyone on the bus..)
The Pathers and Ivan are successful because of what he learned at the Warriors and Tigers... Webster learned from Cleary, he gets it. The Warriors are going to be a force for many years and they have put all the pathways in place to ensure this just like the Pathers roll out star after star...just watch.

 

[Maximus]

I can't be f**ked with you.

Bahaha asks for the facts, then runs away when they are provided.

 

[Maximus]

You've made up some much B/S on this thread I wouldn't be surprised if you've never met a Kiwi in your life. Pretending to be on holiday in NZ, pretending to live in NZ, pretending to be from NZ hasn't helped your credibility in this thread.

There's only evidence to suggest that the Warriors are on a high right now, and this is why I come across as condescending to you, because it's a high they've been on before, and it's a high that they've dropped from multiple times before, and rather than acknowledging this fact you bluster on throwing jabs at anyone providn you with facts.

Also, I'm not even close to being a boomer.

Didn't he at one point claim to have been born there until everyone realised it was gobsmacked, and he had to drop that lie and go back to the holiday lie.