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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Penrith fan

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Australia is arguably one of the most competitive sports markets on the planet. Several well-run winter codes competing for a share of a small pie, so it stands with good reasons that World Rugby could at the very least be aware, maybe even be monitoring what is happening down under.

Australia could be a proper case study of what is to come long-term, internationally.

Rugby union in Australia will soon be eradicated once league, AFL, soccer and other sports have completely stolen all market share.

Again, the Australian sports market should be a serious point of concern for World Rugby, but sadly, this does not seem to raise a sweat or echo in the World Rugby chambers of the northern hemisphere.

It could be many years before the chickens come home to roost, but it will most certainly happen in my opinion, unless the game reverts back to less officiating.


Are World Rugby worried about declining participation if they don’t make rapid changes?

Are they just trying to change the fabric of professional rugby from a free-flowing game (formerly played in Heaven) to a strictly controlled contact sport?

In answering the questions above, ask themselves then, how are rugby league and AFL continuing to refine and improve their product given they are facing similar concerns?

Schoolboy, junior and club rugby is all I watch these days, and wow it’s good stuff. Even in New Zealand where Rugby is life, there is the growing threat of League, Soccer and potentially AFL somewhere in the future. This must be a result of interest levels in rugby plummeting.

Strapping into a game of professional rugby these days you aren’t assured of a good watch, instead, you are left pondering will my team get the rub of the green with the officiating? Will my team receive a yellow or red card? Will there be many, match stoppages?

This is especially prevalent in International rugby, where a yellow or red card can often cost your team the chocolates. It simply does not pass the “pub test”.

Sadly, the demise of the professional game will inevitably lead to the demise of all rugby. At the very least, minimise the involvement of the TMO to be used only in the same way as League – it could add immediate and dramatic improvement to the game.

World Rugby seems to have completely lost sight of what rugby needs in the professional era to build equity, health and prosperity.

In its purest form like school boy and club rugby, I still find high-quality entertainment – little bastions of light where the game is still free-flowing and beautiful, where officiating hasn’t spread like a virus.

No blame should be laid upon the great men and women who do take up the mantle of referees and assistants; they are simply following the commands of these above.

Sport is entertainment in the modern era and rugby union is losing the long-term battle by inflicting such pedantic oversight and implementation of its rulebook, largely due to the TMO and the game’s seeming paralysis when it comes to head injuries, concussion and the dangers as they pertain to CTE.

The simple confusion is how do rugby league, AFL and the NFL continue to improve their product and entertainment value despite facing the same concerns?

Rugby continues to eat itself alive with non-sensical officiating, including yellow and red cards in most matches.

For the first time ever, I turned off the Rebels vs Drua game last Friday night, because of the stop-start nature and switched over to the league.

In doing so, and after watching plenty more league, AFL and soccer recently, it is stark that their professional product is superior.

Yes, the quality of the Australian sides and the need to reduce our Super franchises play a big part – but the issue of officiating with the Kiwis and the Six Nations continues to destroy the spectacle.
 

mongoose

Coach
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NRL needs to take advantage and strike while the iron's hot. Warriors should hopefully go deep into finals this year - follow it up with the announcement of NZ 2. I'm not suggesting Rugby will die in NZ, but surely now is a better time than any to get properly serious about NZ 2.
 

Wb1234

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Always need to fact check your statements lol
Lions have an $8mill bank loan. On a $103mill revenue and a $53mill asset base that isnt an issue.
2022, taking out the grants, they made a $2.4mill profit

Their Fc revenue goes ok: (2022)
Memberships and gate takings $10.3mill
Sponsors and corporates $12.8mill
Merch sales $2.2mill
Thats is $3mill more in FC revenue than the Cowboys in same year.

NT
Canberra
Brisbane2
Perth3

all possible AFL expansion for club 20. Wont happen for another 8 years or so and my money would be on Canberra.
Decades of losses will only worsen now the dolphins are in the comp and their form isn’t as good

the afl will end up paying back that loan as they guaranteed it for the lions

the dolphins will squeeze the life out of the lions
 

Wb1234

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Australia is arguably one of the most competitive sports markets on the planet. Several well-run winter codes competing for a share of a small pie, so it stands with good reasons that World Rugby could at the very least be aware, maybe even be monitoring what is happening down under.

Australia could be a proper case study of what is to come long-term, internationally.

Rugby union in Australia will soon be eradicated once league, AFL, soccer and other sports have completely stolen all market share.

Again, the Australian sports market should be a serious point of concern for World Rugby, but sadly, this does not seem to raise a sweat or echo in the World Rugby chambers of the northern hemisphere.

It could be many years before the chickens come home to roost, but it will most certainly happen in my opinion, unless the game reverts back to less officiating.


Are World Rugby worried about declining participation if they don’t make rapid changes?

Are they just trying to change the fabric of professional rugby from a free-flowing game (formerly played in Heaven) to a strictly controlled contact sport?

In answering the questions above, ask themselves then, how are rugby league and AFL continuing to refine and improve their product given they are facing similar concerns?

Schoolboy, junior and club rugby is all I watch these days, and wow it’s good stuff. Even in New Zealand where Rugby is life, there is the growing threat of League, Soccer and potentially AFL somewhere in the future. This must be a result of interest levels in rugby plummeting.

Strapping into a game of professional rugby these days you aren’t assured of a good watch, instead, you are left pondering will my team get the rub of the green with the officiating? Will my team receive a yellow or red card? Will there be many, match stoppages?

This is especially prevalent in International rugby, where a yellow or red card can often cost your team the chocolates. It simply does not pass the “pub test”.

Sadly, the demise of the professional game will inevitably lead to the demise of all rugby. At the very least, minimise the involvement of the TMO to be used only in the same way as League – it could add immediate and dramatic improvement to the game.

World Rugby seems to have completely lost sight of what rugby needs in the professional era to build equity, health and prosperity.

In its purest form like school boy and club rugby, I still find high-quality entertainment – little bastions of light where the game is still free-flowing and beautiful, where officiating hasn’t spread like a virus.

No blame should be laid upon the great men and women who do take up the mantle of referees and assistants; they are simply following the commands of these above.

Sport is entertainment in the modern era and rugby union is losing the long-term battle by inflicting such pedantic oversight and implementation of its rulebook, largely due to the TMO and the game’s seeming paralysis when it comes to head injuries, concussion and the dangers as they pertain to CTE.

The simple confusion is how do rugby league, AFL and the NFL continue to improve their product and entertainment value despite facing the same concerns?

Rugby continues to eat itself alive with non-sensical officiating, including yellow and red cards in most matches.

For the first time ever, I turned off the Rebels vs Drua game last Friday night, because of the stop-start nature and switched over to the league.

In doing so, and after watching plenty more league, AFL and soccer recently, it is stark that their professional product is superior.

Yes, the quality of the Australian sides and the need to reduce our Super franchises play a big part – but the issue of officiating with the Kiwis and the Six Nations continues to destroy the spectacle.
Love how union fans can’t admit it’s just rugby league that has crushed the life out of them

I can’t see soccer having damaged them too much
 

Bukowski

Bench
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NRL needs to take advantage and strike while the iron's hot. Warriors should hopefully go deep into finals this year - follow it up with the announcement of NZ 2. I'm not suggesting Rugby will die in NZ, but surely now is a better time than any to get properly serious about NZ 2.
It's crazy to think PNG may get in before.
 

Brian potter

First Grade
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NRL needs to take advantage and strike while the iron's hot. Warriors should hopefully go deep into finals this year - follow it up with the announcement of NZ 2. I'm not suggesting Rugby will die in NZ, but surely now is a better time than any to get properly serious about NZ 2.
We can all see this so you’d like and hope to think that the NRL can see it too.

imagine if the warriors got to the final or even won the damn thing!!!
 

The Great Dane

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Love how union fans can’t admit it’s just rugby league that has crushed the life out of them

I can’t see soccer having damaged them too much
Why would they admit something that isn't really true?

World Rugby and the NH unions are destroying the on field product.

The ARU and SANZAAR have consistently mismanaged the sport locally since the 90s.

The AFL, basketball, and soccer are steadily swallowing up RU's traditional juniors base in the private school system.

And a whole host of different leagues and sports, including the NRL amongst others, have been absorbing Super Rugby's market share for 20 years now.

So yeah, if anybody 'crushed the life out of them' it was themselves, the other sports are just scavenging the corpse.
 

The Great Dane

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Problem is GWS lost $2.7mill last year and that was with a $2.8mill ACT govt payment and game day revenue from Canberra. Thats a big revenue gap to fill. Of course AFL is going to be super rich in 2025 so they'd have no problem just upping their grant I suppose if they wanted them out of Canberra.
The AFL and GWS would have little trouble finding a new partner for them. NT, Ballarat, Cairns, Newcastle, NZ, etc, all of them are potential partners. They may even be able to do things like sell their games against Tasmania back to them. There're plenty of options.

The AFL can also easily cover the increased costs through the grant, and in theory GWS will have filled some of that gap by the end of the decade.
 

Vlad59

Bench
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Yep. Last time I was there (maybe 7 years ago) it was the same. Worse, there was a big Suns Territory (or something) sign as you walk off the plain into the airport. Suns were really pumping money into promotion then and titans had obviously quit.
Last time I was there I didn’t see a single suns shirt anywhere but shed loads of titans and other nrl clubs apparel as well. So all that money pumping ain’t achieving much
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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Why would they admit something that isn't really true?

World Rugby and the NH unions are destroying the on field product.

The ARU and SANZAAR have consistently mismanaged the sport locally since the 90s.

The AFL, basketball, and soccer are steadily swallowing up RU's traditional juniors base in the private school system.

And a whole host of different leagues and sports, including the NRL amongst others, have been absorbing Super Rugby's market share for 20 years now.

So yeah, if anybody 'crushed the life out of them' it was themselves, the other sports are just scavenging the corpse.
Nrl booming has taken crowds away from union

even in
Nz

super rugby crowds didn’t collapse in a vacuum

whilst super rugby crowds are awful in nz the warriors are getting sell outs weekly
 

final say

Juniors
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Nrl booming has taken crowds away from union

even in
Nz

super rugby crowds didn’t collapse in a vacuum

whilst super rugby crowds are awful in nz the warriors are getting sell outs weekly
Nah coexisting bla bla bla lol
All Rugby league came from pulling people over from Union. First in the north of England, then NZ , Australia and France. Most Unions used their influence and intimidation to limit the spread.. not successful in Australia and in the age of the internet, it's becoming impossible for back room bullying and politics..
NZ is going to be the first break of the defensive line Union has held for over the last 100 plus years..
The NRL just needs to nudge it over.
 

Wb1234

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Nah coexisting bla bla bla lol
All Rugby league came from pulling people over from Union. First in the north of England, then NZ , Australia and France. Most Unions used their influence and intimidation to limit the spread.. not successful in Australia and in the age of the internet, it's becoming impossible for back room bullying and politics..
NZ is going to be the first break of the defensive line Union has held for over the last 100 plus years..
The NRL just needs to nudge it over.
Nrl has dealt rugby union a mortal blow in Australia and nz

one they will never truly recover from
 
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Always need to fact check your statements lol
Lions have an $8mill bank loan. On a $103mill revenue and a $53mill asset base that isnt an issue.
2022, taking out the grants, they made a $2.4mill profit

Their Fc revenue goes ok: (2022)
Memberships and gate takings $10.3mill
Sponsors and corporates $12.8mill
Merch sales $2.2mill
Thats is $3mill more in FC revenue than the Cowboys in same year.

NT
Canberra
Brisbane2
Perth3

all possible AFL expansion for club 20. Wont happen for another 8 years or so and my money would be on Canberra.

The Brisbane Lions, who have the competition's largest debt, will retain a similar level of funding to 2022, a total of more than $18 million, and will rank third on the funding table, narrowly ahead of North Melbourne.

 
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I think they need to get a decent marketing team and budget and start giving themselves a much stronger presence on the GC. I was there for a week and didnt see one single sign the Titans were a team representing the area. No promotion, no one wearing merch, no shop, no advertising nothing. Having the stadium well away from the tourist area doesn't help either.
I've seen people wearing Titans gear in southern Logan.
 
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The Great Dane

First Grade
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Nrl booming has taken crowds away from union

even in
Nz

super rugby crowds didn’t collapse in a vacuum

whilst super rugby crowds are awful in nz the warriors are getting sell outs weekly
I didn't say they collapsed in a vacuum, I said that RU is struggling because of multiple factors almost all of which are totally self inflicted.

SR's crowds were already in steady decline for over a decade before the NRL started 'booming' as well.
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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I didn't say they collapsed in a vacuum, I said that RU is struggling because of multiple factors almost all of which are totally self inflicted.

SR's crowds were already in steady decline for over a decade before the NRL started 'booming' as well.
Poor product which people got bored of

league recovered from super league so aru don’t get the sugar hit of signing league stars for publicity
 

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