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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Matiunz

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NRL’s battle plan to take over New Zealand revealed
The NRL is poised to embark on the code’s most advanced infiltration of New Zealand rugby union with an investment plan that will be targeted at schools and culminate with a second team across the Tasman.

The battle plan to break rugby union’s stranglehold at a grassroots and professional level in New Zealand has been formed during a period of record crowds and TV ratings for the Warriors.

Warriors fever has gripped New Zealand, with Sunday’s match against the Dolphins in Auckland the club’s ninth consecutive sold-out home game.

The NRL has a range of reasons to take advantage of this opportunity, including:

• ⁠The push to include a second New Zealand NRL team via expansion;
• ⁠The tactics of New Zealand rugby schools to discourage students from taking up opportunities with the Warriors; and
• ⁠The threat of a civil war at the highest level in New Zealand rugby union.

The Sunday Telegraph has obtained the strategic plan which was designed by Warriors CEO Cameron George and presented to NRL CEO Andrew Abdo last week.

It outlines the game’s focus to become the ‘premier sport’ by making New Zealand a breeding ground for NRL talent for the next 50 years.

It also details an action, strategy and investment plan that George believes will change the entire landscape of rugby league in New Zealand, and benefit all 17 clubs.

“We’re doing our job to fly the flag for the NRL and all the other clubs,’’ George said of the Warriors’ bid to embed rugby league into New Zealand.

“So it’s time. That’s why I went over to see Andrew Abdo. “It’s just so unique that the ARL Commission and Peter V’landys can use our brand and our vehicle to grow the overall game for its future.

“I believe every other club would genuinely support the plan because it’s not like we (Warriors) can take every player. “But what we can do is encourage every young kid and every potential coach to play rugby league.”

SCHOOL WORK

As it stands, the NRL doesn’t have a single schoolboy or girl competition, program or even an ambassador that runs junior boys and girls clinics in New Zealand.

The Warriors and the NZRL have largely been in charge of the game’s growth to this point.

Under the new plan, the NRL would invest like never before in grassroots and the school systems.

“This is about growing the entire NRL foundation in New Zealand over the next five, 10, 15 to 20 years,” George said. “The more kids we can have playing rugby league in New Zealand, the more kids that will eventually be playing in the NRL.

“The schoolboy competition that I’m vigorously chasing, through funding domestically and also the NRL, is that any number of schools will participate in it, so that when a Pacific Island expansion strategy is put in place, the investment in the school systems and programs in New Zealand will be a very big answer to what they’re trying to achieve.” Abdo confirmed the ARL Commission’s intent.

“We want to see more boys and girls in New Zealand aspiring to be NRL and NRLW players, and the Commission is working with the Warriors and all stakeholders to create an aggressive investment plan for New Zealand grassroots,” Abdo said.

CASE STUDY

George said that Melbourne Storm backrower Eliesa Katoa was the perfect example of an NRL player who could have been lost to rugby union because rugby league doesn’t have a presence at a schoolboy level.

“Eli Katoa is currently playing for Melbourne and originally comes from Tonga, but goes to Auckland for school, where he has to go to a rugby union college,” George said.

“But if we change tack, a player like Eli can come here (Auckland) and play rugby league at the elite level in the schoolboy system.

“Most of the kids, if not all of the kids (from the Pacific Islands) are coming here to play rugby union and then we’re taking them from rugby union, and then we’ve got to put them back into a rugby league system which takes them a few years to get going.

“If we’ve got 10 to 15 schools participating in a program dedicated to rugby league, we’re getting those teenagers from Samoa and Tonga straight into the system.

“Then what happens, because they’re in the system, they stay in their most comfortable lifestyle for longer, and stay in the game for longer, rather than getting taken to Australia at such a young age and then spat out because they had to leave home to join a dedicated rugby league program.”

ALL BLACKS

The NRL’s action plan is never more timely. According to reports last week, rugby in New Zealand is on the brink of civil war over a dispute between the country’s leading players and the NZR.

Despite the increasing tension at the highest level of rugby in New Zealand, George said this wasn’t about trying to usurp the might and power of the All Blacks in a country that treats the national rugby union team like a religion.

“The All Blacks and the Kiwis are the pinnacle of our two sports in New Zealand,” George said.

“We should always hold them in high regard because they represent our country. We do respect the All Blacks.

“But in a day-to-day retail market, where we’re playing week in and week out against rugby union, then well, we (NRL) should want to be the best choice for participation, engagement and attendance.”

SECOND NZ TEAM

The NRL is in the process of deciding whether to support a government-backed scheme to expand the competition into Papua New Guinea.

Many fans and media commentators, on the back of the Warriors’ success, believes New Zealand should be afforded a second team.

However, George said it would be premature to add another team across the Tasman without the NRL taking up a long-term strategy and investing in the grassroots and school system.

“You would not survive with a second New Zealand team right now,” George said.

“But in 10 years’ time you’re going to have more kids playing rugby league in New Zealand which is going to provide more rugby league talent to the game, which clearly answers the game’s expansion questions.”
This is pretty much what most NZers on here have been pointing out and asking for in regards to NZ2, I want a sustainable model set up for success not a dot on the map expansion that in in the current climate and set up is odds on to fail.
People like old mate TikTok deliberately misrepresent that as ‘Union trolling’ but if the plan in the above article especially in regards to more resources and increased presence in schools can only be a good thing. Guess next question would be how long before we start seeing the fruits of this investment? 5 years? 10? A generation? We all laughed at Penriths 5 year plan grandstanding when it passed the 5 year mark but they got there in the end.
Couple of possibly controversial points but I’d want to make sure the investment in NZ actually benefitted the NZ teams as a first choice destination rather than propping up Aus expansion and playing stocks. 2. The game is much more culturally Polynesian in NZ- which is fine but there’s 85% of the population still to tap n larger numbers.
 

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This is pretty much what most NZers on here have been pointing out and asking for in regards to NZ2, I want a sustainable model set up for success not a dot on the map expansion that in in the current climate and set up is odds on to fail.
People like old mate TikTok deliberately misrepresent that as ‘Union trolling’ but if the plan in the above article especially in regards to more resources and increased presence in schools can only be a good thing. Guess next question would be how long before we start seeing the fruits of this investment? 5 years? 10? A generation? We all laughed at Penriths 5 year plan grandstanding when it passed the 5 year mark but they got there in the end.
Couple of possibly controversial points but I’d want to make sure the investment in NZ actually benefitted the NZ teams as a first choice destination rather than propping up Aus expansion and playing stocks. 2. The game is much more culturally Polynesian in NZ- which is fine but there’s 85% of the population still to tap n larger numbers.
It’s an interesting article but a long read. What is obvious is that Vlandys and Abdo are stoking the fires of discussion in the media and dominating the news cycle with endless speculation of emerging and real expansion options. I think it’s a brilliant strategy. I’ve given up trying to work out what will actually happen next.
 

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Union fans not happy with the article
1 weekend of not terrible crowds..
Oooo this isn't going to be easy..lmao
NRL season not even half way, origin, finals, Warriors still selling out..
Actually, not only is it easy but seems to be happening before the NRL even start...
 

Wb1234

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1 weekend of not terrible crowds..
Oooo this isn't going to be easy..lmao
NRL season not even half way, origin, finals, Warriors still selling out..
Actually, not only is it easy but seems to be happening before the NRL even start...
Nrl makes all blacks exempt from the salary cap and subsidises their wages (each club to get one all black or two)

rip union

like when the nswrl signed two teams of wallabies to league in 1908 and 1909 and union collapsed
 

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Nrl makes all blacks exempt from the salary cap and subsidises their wages (each club to get one all black or two)

rip union

like when the nswrl signed two teams of wallabies to league in 1908 and 1909 and union collapsed
Starting to feel like it's not necessary
 

Matiunz

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Union fans not happy with the article
I dunno it seems to echo what most NZers on here are saying, doesn’t have to be one or the other and both can happily co exist. It’s mainly media pushing the fighting and war narrative. Last one echos what others have been saying about the NZRLs need to step up
 

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Matiunz

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Nrl makes all blacks exempt from the salary cap and subsidises their wages (each club to get one all black or two)

rip union

like when the nswrl signed two teams of wallabies to league in 1908 and 1909 and union collapsed
Again you make the assumption it’s just about money for these guys- if it was why haven’t they already come over? Who was the last All Black to actually convert?
On one hand these guys can play from their home with their family and friends network, travel the world and if the want to cash in they can in Europe or Japan.
NRL can offer maybe higher wages for the majority of these guys to be stuck primarily in Sydney away from their networks- that’s not necessarily the desired outcome for everybody.
It’s like hypothetically saying if NPC contracts were higher than AFL contracts AFL players should just all move to NZ and play NPC because the wagers were higher- it doesn’t work out like that
 

titoelcolombiano

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Yes well, you obviously follow the LU expansion threads, if you seriously believe we are all in unison
No and we never will not should be 100% (healthy opposition in terms of opinion is important). But I'm moreso referring to getting people behind the game more than ever before.
 

MugaB

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It’s an interesting article but a long read. What is obvious is that Vlandys and Abdo are stoking the fires of discussion in the media and dominating the news cycle with endless speculation of emerging and real expansion options. I think it’s a brilliant strategy. I’ve given up trying to work out what will actually happen next.
You've only given up coz I told you the order already
☺️
 

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Union fans not happy with the article
f**k union, they aren't worthy enough to worry about, besides once the SR gets even smaller In no. of clubs, the casual folks will treat it like we treat A-League, just a novelty, of course it's different in NZ, but that won't last either without any good teams from outside NZ to play against
 

Matua

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I dunno it seems to echo what most NZers on here are saying, doesn’t have to be one or the other and both can happily co exist. It’s mainly media pushing the fighting and war narrative. Last one echos what others have been saying about the NZRLs need to step up
My thumbs up was everything bar the first tweet, that guy can go F himself. ;)
 

Canard

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I think the article itself is quite sensible.

Aiming to be the biggest sport in NZ in the next 50 years is a decent realistic goal.

Not by June 2024, like some here think.
 

Wb1234

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Imagine they were a top four side

comments is everyone complaining they can’t get tickets

Has this ever happened where basically every home game is sold out for any other rugby club ?
 
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Manu Vatuvei

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There’s also a school of thought by some that the Warriors killed the standard of the Auckland club comp.

In the 1980s Auckland club rugby league (and some national club rugby league) was televised on FTA and featured many if not most of the Kiwis players who were just as competitive with the Kangaroos as modern day teams are.

It wasn't always like that - I guess somewhat ironically, it was really peaking not long before the Warriors came into the comp. A combination of the Warriors coming in, and all of the transfer restrictions for players being lifted, pretty much meant the end of high profile, high quality local footy.

I'm not saying that it's wrong or that there's a solution to it, just a little counter to those who reckon the game is booming here like never before.

Also as someone who actually goes to Auckland club rugby league most weeks, in truth the biggest clubs in NZ are still tiny little tin pot operations and crowds to games can be counted in the dozens, half of whom (and I say this mostly seriously and only very slightly in jest) are gang affiliates. It is not an environment that screams "this sport is about to be huge".
 

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