New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matiunz]

Warriors drop off the cliff (again) isnt due to the odd ref mistake.

I try not to buy into the whole ‘ref screwed us’ mentality as I know every fan feels that way about their own team and it’s very hard to be subjective when your cheering for a team.
However it’s the really subjective calls that are puzzling and tend to appear differently interpreted in the case of the Warriors.
Just this year I’ve seen the Warriors cop 2 penalties where the ref has gone back multiple play the balls to award only once the attacking team has made an error- I have not seen that done in any other games but it’s happened to us twice this year.
I’ve seen a pretty damming breakdown of the rate of Warriors binned for high tackles/ dangerous contact is staggeringly higher than that when the same fouls are committed against us. Also with the way games are managed stats look relatively even but we tend to get early tackle 6 agains in poor position vs opposition getting them late in the count/legs up etc.
It’s not just us as I’ve seen teams like the Tigers/Raiders/Titans cop some shockers but we definitely tend to have more than our fair share of Monday apologies (that are hollow and empty as it doesn’t change nor help anything)

 

[Wb1234]

Just about every warriors game this year they got destroyed by the ref bar maybe four

refs find a nitpicking penalty for the opposition but not the wahs

consistency is missing

 

[taste2taste]

The Warriors don't get any 50/50 calls.The refs know they won't feel any heat from across the ditch.

If a Sydney team was getting all these bad calls it would be front page news.

 

[flippikat]

I'd like to see the return of a semi-pro NZ comp, but it would only work if it was at the 3rd tier. The NZ NRL clubs need their feeders playing againnst Aussies inn Reserve Grade or state cups plus the age grade comps.

The big 2 problems with an NZ comp running at 3rd tier is that the playing stock isn't going to be recognizable names, and cost (especially transport) is quite a bill to cover.

While the old Lion Red Cup had some great branding (especially some cool team names & jerseys), it couldn't surmount those issues.

That's why the current setup is workable - mostly local club competitions, with a limited provincial season after that. The costs are just more manageable that way.

 

[Matua]

We've always copped it from the Aussie officials.

Our shit year this year was not down to that though, that was all on selection and tactics.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Warriors drop off the cliff (again) isnt due to the odd ref mistake.

Injuries was the single biggest factor this season but we’ve definitely copped more than our share of rubbish decisions

 

[Wb1234]

The big 2 problems with an NZ comp running at 3rd tier is that the playing stock isn't going to be recognizable names, and cost (especially transport) is quite a bill to cover.

While the old Lion Red Cup had some great branding (especially some cool team names & jerseys), it couldn't surmount those issues.

That's why the current setup is workable - mostly local club competitions, with a limited provincial season after that. The costs are just more manageable that way.

Two nrl teams with juniors from under 16 to open age all playing in the Aussie systems

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The big 2 problems with an NZ comp running at 3rd tier is that the playing stock isn't going to be recognizable names, and cost (especially transport) is quite a bill to cover.

While the old Lion Red Cup had some great branding (especially some cool team names & jerseys), it couldn't surmount those issues.

That's why the current setup is workable - mostly local club competitions, with a limited provincial season after that. The costs are just more manageable that way.

The provincial season is probably close enough to what I’m talking about. Has the bonus that it’s a model NZers are familiar with as rugby has always been a provincial model.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

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Joeys a fan of nz2

(50 percent of players aren’t from Auckland lol. Freddy is a dope)

Nah they probably are. Auckland is nearly 1/3 of NZs population and it’s always been the strongest league area. At times it’s probably been more than 50% of the player base.

 

[Wb1234]

Nah they probably are. Auckland is nearly 1/3 of NZs population and it’s always been the strongest league area. At times it’s probably been more than 50% of the player base.

Nah they probably are. Auckland is nearly 1/3 of NZs population and it’s always been the strongest league area. At times it’s probably been more than 50% of the player base.

He’s saying 50 percent of all nrl players lol

he’s mixed up the stat that 40 percent of all nrl players are kiwi or islander

 

[BuffaloRules]

They rarely complain about it that’s why they get dudded

wait till it happens to western every week then you will get it

I remember last year the Warriors sponsor spat the dummy about the referring and they then got looked after for a while …

‘Cheating of the highest order’: Fuming CEO of Warriors sponsor blasts ‘biased’ NRL refs

‘Cheating of the highest order’: Fuming CEO of Warriors sponsor blasts ‘biased’ NRL refs

www.foxsports.com.au

He has been quiet this year

 

[Wb1234]

I remember last year the Warriors sponsor spat the dummy about the referring and they then got looked after for a while …

‘Cheating of the highest order’: Fuming CEO of Warriors sponsor blasts ‘biased’ NRL refs

‘Cheating of the highest order’: Fuming CEO of Warriors sponsor blasts ‘biased’ NRL refs

www.foxsports.com.au

He has been quiet this year

He got threatened with a defamation suit or similar

 

[flippikat]

Two nrl teams with juniors from under 16 to open age all playing in the Aussie systems

To be honest, NZ would probably be one of the biggest beneficiaries of bringing back Under-20s and/or Reserve Grade - as a stepping stone between the local scene & the "big time" they'd be very handy. The local scene has little-to-no profile with the general public anyway, so arguably little loss.

On the other side of the fence, Queensland & NSW Cups would take a hit - because that's a lot of talent suddenly sucked out of them - and potentially reducing that to 3rd tier (under NRL First Grade & Reserves) would be challenging.

It'd be especially tough on the Queensland Cup which has far more travel (and cost involved with travel) then the NSW Cup - even considering the Warriors presence in NSW Cup.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NRL restores U20s & Reserves that Queensland Cup splits up & we get a Brisbane Premiership again, plus local leagues operating their own competitions (basically a splintering of Queensland Cup).

 

[Wb1234]

To be honest, NZ would probably be one of the biggest beneficiaries of bringing back Under-20s and/or Reserve Grade - as a stepping stone between the local scene & the "big time" they'd be very handy.

On the other side of the fence, Queensland & NSW Cups would take a hit - because that's a lot of talent suddenly sucked out of them - and potentially reducing that to 3rd tier (under NRL First Grade & Reserves) would be challenging.

It'd be especially tough on the Queensland Cup which has far more travel (and cost involved with travel) then the NSW Cup - even considering the Warriors presence in NSW Cup.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NRL restores U20s & Reserves that Queensland Cup splits up & we get a Brisbane Premiership again, plus local leagues operating their own competitions (basically a splintering of Queensland Cup).

Qld and nsw leagues are dinosaurs which should be punted into the sun

national reserve grade will be a great step

 

[BuffaloRules]

I agree that QLd and NSW Leagues are dinosaurs … but they seem to have a lot of power .., PVL obviously finds it easier just to throw money at them to shut them up…

BTW … the NRL seems pretty flush with money of late… wonder if they are keeping something to themselves about the next TV deal ? We know the sports betting revenue might be about to head south

 

[Perth Red]

To be honest, NZ would probably be one of the biggest beneficiaries of bringing back Under-20s and/or Reserve Grade - as a stepping stone between the local scene & the "big time" they'd be very handy. The local scene has little-to-no profile with the general public anyway, so arguably little loss.

On the other side of the fence, Queensland & NSW Cups would take a hit - because that's a lot of talent suddenly sucked out of them - and potentially reducing that to 3rd tier (under NRL First Grade & Reserves) would be challenging.

It'd be especially tough on the Queensland Cup which has far more travel (and cost involved with travel) then the NSW Cup - even considering the Warriors presence in NSW Cup.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NRL restores U20s & Reserves that Queensland Cup splits up & we get a Brisbane Premiership again, plus local leagues operating their own competitions (basically a splintering of Queensland Cup).

NSW cup wouldnt. By time Western Bears come in there'll only be two clubs in NSW cup that are not in effect full NRL reserve grade teams (Jets and Blacktown).
QRL cup it is much more problematic but Dolphins now have a full reserve grade side in Redcliffe and Titans and Cowboys both want one. There's only Broncos holding out at this time.

 

[Wb1234]

I agree that QLd and NSW Leagues are dinosaurs … but they seem to have a lot of power .., PVL obviously finds it easier just to throw money at them to shut them up…

BTW … the NRL seems pretty flush with money of late… wonder if they are keeping something to themselves about the next TV deal ? We know the sports betting revenue might be about to head south

Nrl profits constantly running at 60 million pa


next tv deal clubs and players will get at least 2 / 3 rd of the gain

nrl making loads of new money from non broadcast sources like higher magic round revenues and Vegas

 

[Wb1234]

NSW cup wouldnt. By time Western Bears come in there'll only be two clubs in NSW cup that are not in effect full NRL reserve grade teams (Jets and Blacktown).
QRL cup it is much more problematic but Dolphins now have a full reserve grade side in Redcliffe and Titans and Cowboys both want one. There's only Broncos holding out at this time.

Qrl and nswrl can veto any changes by the arlc

not sure if clubs and arlc can vote them out

 

[SpaceMonkey]

He’s saying 50 percent of all nrl players lol

he’s mixed up the stat that 40 percent of all nrl players are kiwi or islander

Ah yeah fair enough that’s obviously not true

 

[Perth Red]

Qrl and nswrl can veto any changes by the arlc

not sure if clubs and arlc can vote them out

No they cant, their voting seat on the commission is in the constitution. To change the constitution would need them to agree! If the NRl needs the ARLC to take it to vote to return reserve grade or not Im not sure. I guess given the expense involved they would need to ratify the budget on it. Clubs will like it, they'll demand more money for something they are already doing and feather their nests a bit more.