New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[flippikat]

The licence fee seems to be more of a 'what can you bring to the table' situation rather than just a straight up 'outbid everyone else with pure cash' scenario.

The Dolphins commited $2M per year to player development for example and because of their location, Fox stumped up $75M because it meant more highly rating Broncos matches on Fox and more SEQ content in general.

Christchurch could easily demonstrate 'buy-in' by committing to invest in more South Island player pathways which is a new playing pool for the NRL (very appealing), get Sky to commit to chipping in whatever they can and the NRL may be more than happy with that. Way better than Perth arrogantly writing $0

I've mentioned it before, but it's worth keeping in mind that bringing in Christchurch is ALSO signalling to other NRL clubs & bids that the NRL likes the prospect of games in a new & enclosed stadium.

There's some existing clubs out there that are pondering upgrades or new builds, plus expansion possibilities like Perth, Ipswich & Adelaide which may be looking at upgrades/new stadiums .

Bringing in a new club that plays mostly at One NZ Stadium & Forsythe Barr Stadium signals that the NRL values that type of facility - better playing conditions, better crowd comfort, ideal for night games.

 

[Wb1234]

Nrl and super rugby got pretty similar aggregate ratings last year

Of course more high ratings content is valuable for sky

Anybody saying sky nz tv deal going down is just ignorant or trolling

Meanwhile more and more kiwis are coming around

 

[Wb1234]

The licence fee seems to be more of a 'what can you bring to the table' situation rather than just a straight up 'outbid everyone else with pure cash' scenario.

The Dolphins commited $2M per year to player development for example and because of their location, Fox stumped up $75M because it meant more highly rating Broncos matches on Fox and more SEQ content in general.

Christchurch could easily demonstrate 'buy-in' by committing to invest in more South Island player pathways which is a new playing pool for the NRL (very appealing), get Sky to commit to chipping in whatever they can and the NRL may be more than happy with that. Way better than Perth arrogantly writing $0

Nz2 and Perth are totally different

Nz2 offers value to the tv deal in nz and also to Australia

Nz2 offers a huge pool of juniors to bring to the sport

And it helps international competition

I suspect the nrl might not ask them for a fee or ask for less than Perth, if their bid is strong in promises of junior spending

Chch already has hundreds of millions spent on two amazing South Island ground which are perfect for rugby league

 

[Matua]

Nrl and super rugby got pretty similar aggregate ratings last year

Of course more high ratings content is valuable for sky

Anybody saying sky nz tv deal going down is just ignorant or trolling

Meanwhile more and more kiwis are coming around

Do you have your twitter algorithm tweaked so that it exclusively finds you positive things about league and/or negative things about rugby? I swear you spend more time searching for stuff about NZ than I do.

Funnily enough I know this guy, and as much as you're knocking one out over this tweet, he is actually a good example of the work that needs to be involved for your dream of league taking over NZ. Where he's originally from in NZ there's little domestic league to speak of and during winter he's actively involved in grassroots rugby.

He's also another example of the point we continually like to make that NZers can enjoy league and rugby without the hatred you often see over/on here. His thread is mostly rugby but there's league smattered in between there.

Also, I think most NZ rugby fans would agree that domestic rugby in NZ and Oz can't match the NRL GF. Not even back in the days when Super rugby had good live crowds could rugby ever match the NRL GF. The NRL is a hype machine that rugby can't match.

 

[flippikat]

He's also another example of the point we continually like to make that NZers can enjoy league and rugby without the hatred you often see over/on here. His thread is mostly rugby but there's league smattered in between there.

That's a point that's very often lost on Australians - many NZ sports fans are the equivalent of "swing voters" - we'll appreciate an entertaining game of union OR league, and often there's no deep seated hatred of one or the other.

Many Australians just can't get their head around that, because culturally they've been conditioned to be particularly tribal in their devotion to ONE WINTER SPORT - be it aussie rules, league or union - and blindly hate the other two.

 

[BuffaloRules]

That's a point that's very often lost on Australians - many NZ sports fans are the equivalent of "swing voters" - we'll appreciate an entertaining game of union OR league, and often there's no deep seated hatred of one or the other.

Many Australians just can't get their head around that, because culturally they've been conditioned to be particularly tribal in their devotion to ONE WINTER SPORT - be it aussie rules, league or union - and blindly hate the other two.

You gotta understand that these rivalries are nothing new……and just a symptom of other long term divisions within Australia‘s history…

the competition between AFL and RL in Australia is based on regional rivalries ( Melb v Sydney in the main) that have been around for more than a 150 years …

RU v RL is a bit more complicated…there is the social aspect of course …the well off versus the working class …which also historically has meant English v Irish descendants and incorporating the Protestant versus Catholic thing …I mean I’m not saying its Glasgow or anything but a century ago it was a bit more of a big deal and it’s just another thing that people have used to beat their chests about and distinguish themselves from each other…

 

[Pippen94]

That's a point that's very often lost on Australians - many NZ sports fans are the equivalent of "swing voters" - we'll appreciate an entertaining game of union OR league, and often there's no deep seated hatred of one or the other.

Many Australians just can't get their head around that, because culturally they've been conditioned to be particularly tribal in their devotion to ONE WINTER SPORT - be it aussie rules, league or union - and blindly hate the other two.

Union & league are rivals wherever they exist together.

 

[Wb1234]

What @flippikat is saying is kiwis are more receptive to league than Aussie English or French union fans

They just want to watch good rugby

Literally the idea of making the northern union game more attractive came from them watching how the all blacks played the game

 

[Wb1234]

You gotta understand that these rivalries are nothing new……and just a symptom of other long term divisions within Australia‘s history…

the competition between AFL and RL in Australia is based on regional rivalries ( Melb v Sydney in the main) that have been around for more than a 150 years …

RU v RL is a bit more complicated…there is the social aspect of course …the well off versus the working class …which also historically has meant English v Irish descendants and incorporating the Protestant versus Catholic thing …I mean I’m not saying its Glasgow or anything but a century ago it was a bit more of a big deal and it’s just another thing that people have used to beat their chests about and distinguish themselves from each other…

The only reason anyone in Australia is a union fan over league is they went to a private school and want to pretend to be posh

Even then they all watch the nrl and in most cases way more than union

Even on twitter all the wallabies fans post about nrl fairly regularly esp origin and the grand final

 

[Matua]

Union & league are rivals wherever they exist together.

There's friendly rivalries like exists in NZ (you often see ABs and Warriors/Kiwis social media interacting with each other).

Then there's whatever happens with you lot on here.

 

[Pippen94]

There's friendly rivalries like exists in NZ (you often see ABs and Warriors/Kiwis social media interacting with each other).

Then there's whatever happens with you lot on here.

Bs.

 

[Matua]

Bs.

Bro, there's postings in this very thread of the ABs and Warriors interacting.

Every time a NZ rugby player positively mentions league @Wb1234 posts it in this very thread.

Every NZer in this thread highlights the fact it's like that in NZ, well not every one, there's one in here who's very Aussie like in his league only mentality, can't remember which NZer it was though so wont speculate.

Not B/S at all.

 

[Maximus]

Bro, there's postings in this very thread of the ABs and Warriors interacting.

Every time a NZ rugby player positively mentions league @Wb1234 posts it in this very thread.

Every NZer in this thread highlights the fact it's like that in NZ, well not every one, there's one in here who's very Aussie like in his league only mentality, can't remember which NZer it was though so wont speculate.

Not B/S at all.

Does anyone know if pippen was fake born there, or visited NZ once?

 

[Pippen94]

Does anyone know if pippen was fake born there, or visited NZ once?

..and NZ has no racism or crime & poverty either. The two rugbies live together in harmony in NZ, but no place else on earth. Fantasyland.

 

[Matiunz]

..and NZ has no racism or crime & poverty either. The two rugbies live together in harmony in NZ, but no place else on earth. Fantasyland.

There’s dickheads on both sides but it’s the exception not the rule. Certainly not the pick one and hate the other mentality

 

[Wb1234]

..and NZ has no racism or crime & poverty either. The two rugbies live together in harmony in NZ, but no place else on earth. Fantasyland.

It’s not as bad as Australia especially from ordinary fans

But it’s banned in a lot of schools

And lots of union schools will pressure players not to play league on the weekends

And the upper classes would still be fully union and in terms of demographic the non Māori (pakeha/white) would skew more union but that’s changing

League still suffers prejudice

 

[Matiunz]

It’s not as bad as Australia especially from ordinary fans

But it’s banned in a lot of schools

And lots of union schools will pressure players not to play league on the weekends

And the upper classes would still be fully union and in terms of demographic the non Māori (pakeha/white) would skew more union but that’s changing

League still suffers prejudice

It’s not banned in schools, school I went to didn’t have a team and it was a high Polynesian demographic, we did ask about it and were told they had looked at it a few times but there wasn’t the demand and even if we could scrape a team together there was no other school team to play in the region.
In Aus there is more of a club sports culture but in NZ club sports mainly kicked in post school years.

Edit : we must of had one at some point as I remember we needed a clash jersey (ours was a hoops style) and they dug out these jerseys in our school colours but a V chevron style- no one remembered when they were ever used and they were in pretty good nick so not sure if something was tried to get off the ground at some stage and it fizzled out

 

[Matua]

It’s not as bad as Australia especially from ordinary fans

But it’s banned in a lot of schools

And lots of union schools will pressure players not to play league on the weekends

And the upper classes would still be fully union and in terms of demographic the non Māori (pakeha/white) would skew more union but that’s changing

League still suffers prejudice

My god you're a fountain of talking bollocks.

Upper classes? More unmitigated bollocks from you. All demographics skew more rugby. There are a few areas where this is different, near Huntly, parts of South Auckland, and the West Coast of the SI (a pakeha area).

You and your boi Gobby have been parroting the increase of schools in the national league comp - guess what, a bunch of those schools are actually rugby schools.

And like @Matiunz league wasn't banned at my school, I played league Sundays all through high school, we occasionally entered a team in the national comp if there were enough player numbers. Many kids do the same now.

You and @Pippen94 are clueless on this. This would be like me going on the West Coast thread and claiming I know all about it when I know zilch.

 

[Canard]

From an outsider (Aussie) looking in, thats always been Union strength in NZ.

That there was no class divide, like in Australia and England, and it is accepted as an "everyman's" sport.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

There's friendly rivalries like exists in NZ (you often see ABs and Warriors/Kiwis social media interacting with each other).

Then there's whatever happens with you lot on here.

Does that friendly rivalry in NZ include banning RL from certain schools and banning players from Union that play RL? Super friendly