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If there isn't a top line high paying Union comp in NZ…
So why is this going to happen ? Do you think their demise is possibly 15 years away and will be as a result of the NRL putting a team in Christchurch ?
If there isn't a top line high paying Union comp in NZ…
The NRL are pulling level with Super Rugby in ratings with one club.Rugby League in Australiasia has had more money than Union for the better part of 20 years.
Why is one new team in NZ suddenly going to "kill Union"?
We would laugh our arses off if Rah Rahs made a similar claim.
As you're a Kiwi I respect you opinion a wee bit more than some of the others in this thread. Do you really believe this? NZ rugby currently contributes to Oz for Super, the money is already there. And the most highly supported matches in NZ are NZ derbies. I don't think NZ would have a problem going it alone with Oz. I don't think they should as I'm happy for Oz rugby to exist (and NRL, don't care about Origin and AFL though). The maths for a pro NPC works if Super no longer exists.You make some great points beyond this, but what I've quoted is the crux of the issue.
Generally speaking, NZ professional sports teams NEED to be part of international (usually Australian based) competitions to pay the bills.
With Australian rugby union in deep deep trouble, NZ rugby is vulnerable. Despite RU traditionalists saying we should make NPC provincial rugby professional, the maths for that doesn't work.
One way to move forward for RU might be to add a few NZ teams (and not scrapping SR as a competition) - either re-jigging the current 5 team boundaries to say 7 or 8.. OR the radical option of scrapping the SR teams and making a number of 1st division unions New Zealand's representatives in SR.As you're a Kiwi I respect you opinion a wee bit more than some of the others in this thread. Do you really believe this? NZ rugby currently contributes to Oz for Super, the money is already there.
And the most highly supported matches in NZ are NZ derbies. I don't think NZ would have a problem going it alone with Oz. I don't think they should as I'm happy for Oz rugby to exist (and NRL, don't care about Origin and AFL though). The maths for a pro NPC works if Super no longer exists.
Rugby for sure, but it's a moot point currently because Sky is the only game in town (pardon the pun).Here's a question for you, if Sky lost the rights to the NRL or lost the rights to the rugby in NZ which is going to have the most negative impact on them? Do you honestly think it will be losing the NRL rights?
Yeah, the domestic RL scene is disjointed to say the least. The thing RU does well is the pyramid structure of club/NPC/Super Rugby/Tests - having clear windows for each, and being able to publicize Super Rugby, then a test window, then NPC, then end of year Tests.Another one, do you honestly think league can take over with the state of the domestic game in NZ? There's 6 senior teams in the Canterbury comp where the new frontier in the war against rugby is supposedly going to take off. League barely exists anymore in my home province of HB, the teams that aren't completely gang dominated are made of aging rugby players who don't want to train anymore but want to run around on the weekend.
Given Super Rugby is in decline and currently playing one less game per week, they most certainly understand when their current arrangement is reduced.Sheesh, we've looped completely back around to stuff we've already discussed multiple times in the thread. Gob you need to rename the thread groundhog day. But Wb seems to be flip flopping between league having no chance to league definitely taking over in NZ.
As you're a Kiwi I respect you opinion a wee bit more than some of the others in this thread. Do you really believe this? NZ rugby currently contributes to Oz for Super, the money is already there. And the most highly supported matches in NZ are NZ derbies. I don't think NZ would have a problem going it alone with Oz. I don't think they should as I'm happy for Oz rugby to exist (and NRL, don't care about Origin and AFL though). The maths for a pro NPC works if Super no longer exists.
Here's a question for you, if Sky lost the rights to the NRL or lost the rights to the rugby in NZ which is going to have the most negative impact on them? Do you honestly think it will be losing the NRL rights?
Another one, do you honestly think league can take over with the state of the domestic game in NZ? There's 6 senior teams in the Canterbury comp where the new frontier in the war against rugby is supposedly going to take off. League barely exists anymore in my home province of HB, the teams that aren't completely gang dominated are made of aging rugby players who don't want to train anymore but want to run around on the weekend.
The only way we'd get close to scrapping Super Rugby & bringing back the NPC as the highest level under tests is if the 5 NZ Super Rugby teams get replaced by most (if not ALL) the 14 first division unions in Super Rugby.Nz isn’t giving Australia 12 million pa out of generosity
It’s bc they need Australia to not die
There is no chance an nz local comp could compete with the nrl esp if they have two clubs in nz
It will be a feeder league for the nrl or European / Japan union
These " solutions " are hilarious. Well fix pro Rugby in NZ by watering down the already poor quality comp lol .Nz isn’t giving Australia 12 million pa out of generosity
It’s bc they need Australia to not die
There is no chance an nz local comp could compete with the nrl esp if they have two clubs in nz
It will be a feeder league for the nrl or European / Japan union
I meant if super rugby fails and nz goes with a purely local comp with no Aussie teams at allThe only way we'd get close to scrapping Super Rugby & bringing back the NPC as the highest level under tests is if the 5 NZ Super Rugby teams get replaced by most (if not ALL) the 14 first division unions in Super Rugby.
Now, I'm not sure games like Southland Stags v NSW Waratahs or Bay of Plenty Steamers v ACT Brumbies, let alone Manawatu Turbos v Western Force would be any more sell-able than what we have now.
The current setup (5 NZ teams, 4 Aussie teams, Fiji & Moana Pasifika) would be improved with an open player market - allowing any player to play for any team and still being eligible for their country's test team.These " solutions " are hilarious. Well fix pro Rugby in NZ by watering down the already poor quality comp lol .
Rugby Union in the pacific is half the quality of the NRL now, just lost a team and underwater financially. More teams? That like fixing your credit card debt with a holiday lol
The current setup (5 NZ teams, 4 Aussie teams, Fiji & Moana Pasifika) would be improved with an open player market - allowing any player to play for any team and still being eligible for their country's test team.
Expansion beyond that without open player movement is folly.
If NZ went back to NPC (say, a March to October "super-long" NPC first division) , I imagine it wouldn't be too long before there were calls to expand it internationally - whether it's Aussie syndicates lobbying NZR trying to get in, or NZ Rugby reaching out to Japan or America to hook into income streams there.I meant if super rugby fails and nz goes with a purely local comp with no Aussie teams at all
As someone else suggested going with Japan would save the comp then you could still have 3 Aussie teams too
100%, if it were simply money why hasn’t it happened in greater numbers already? Also why didn’t it happen when Union was amateur and league professional?Rugby League in Australiasia has had more money than Union for the better part of 20 years.
Why is one new team in NZ suddenly going to "kill Union"?
We would laugh our arses off if Rah Rahs made a similar claim.
No doubt ratings will rise with NZ2 but you also have to remember a large majority of NZ2 fans are currently supporting the Warriors as the default NZ team, not sure it will double the fansThe NRL are pulling level with Super Rugby in ratings with one club.
What exactly do you think happens with the introduction of a brand new franchise hits their shores boasting 12 million dollars in talent, playing every second week in their brand new world class facility?
Effectively doubling NZ exposure to the NRL..
Stay the same?
Lol
Nz went professional because of the threat of Auckland warriors joining the nrl100%, if it were simply money why hasn’t it happened in greater numbers already? Also why didn’t it happen when Union was amateur and league professional?
True, and the hope would be that successful Australian Super Rugby teams (even if they have a sizable NZ contingent) eventually inspires more talent to come through grass-roots.Aussie teams would just be half full of kiwis and whilst more competitive the wallabies would still have a low talent pool to pick from
Always thought union in Australia was just a fad due to the super league war and would collapseTrue, and the hope would be that successful Australian Super Rugby teams (even if they have a sizable NZ contingent) eventually inspires more talent to come through grass-roots.
Short term dip for hopefully longer term growth.
A gamble, but all Australian RU has now.