Newcastle Knights sign Evarn Tuimavave

[Karmawave]

Mateo is about as overrated as it gets. He is lazy with a bad attitude problem.

Are we talking attitudes or skills?

Saying Houston is the most skillful forward in the NRL is ridiculous.

 

[macavity]

Saying Houston is the most skillful forward in the NRL is ridiculous.

might be a bit of hyperbole, but he certainly has all the tools and IMO is already rep quality.

He is in the class of the likes of Creagh, Hindmarsh, Gallen & Waterhouse - with the added bonus of being able to cover prop as well.

I think we need to lock him in ASAP.

 

[Pika]

Are we talking about back rowers or are we talking about ball playing locks and 5/8s?

Comparing Mateo to Houston is not a very good example.

I would take Houses edge defence over Harrisons to be honest.

As far as hitting blokes like a sledge hammer, that is all well and good, and I am sure the crowd loves it. But when we are stretched on the edge and Scott has Ryan running at him, I will take an uncomprimising ball and all tackle from Simpson over an 'every now and again' wedge in big hit from Patto anyday.

 

[Karmawave]

I believe the term used was SKILLS.

I'm not sure defense is a skill or commitment and technique?

I dunno about anyone else, but I term skill in more of a ball playing sense than defense.

And I figure that given the example used was Houston putting Mullen away like a running halfback, that was the context it was intended it seems.

As a passing, ball playing forward, he wouldn't be in the Top 10. Tupou, Harrison, Mateo, Pritchard immediately come to mind as having twice the passing skills.

 

[Pika]

I find it staggering that someone is saying defence is not a skill......

Attacking represents 50% of the job at hand.

When talking about the overall skill of a player, to only consider attack, means you are only measuring half the player.

I agree, those players probably offer more in attacking ball skills, but I think even in attack, if House were on an edge, he would be just as good in meters a game.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

might be a bit of hyperbole, but he certainly has all the tools and IMO is already rep quality.

He is in the class of the likes of Creagh, Hindmarsh, Gallen & Waterhouse - with the added bonus of being able to cover prop as well.

I think we need to lock him in ASAP.

Your kidding right? His atleast another year or two off that level.

I love the guy, in fact one of my fav lines during a game is "love the house!" However he is well off the standard of those players.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Your kidding right? His atleast another year or two off that level.

I love the guy, in fact one of my fav lines during a game is "love the house!" However he is well off the standard of those players.

He made 18th man for SOOIII this year so Id think that suggests he isnt that far off at all.

 

[keeney]

It was 3 years before Kidley went from 18th man until featuring in the team. Fact is, House is nowhere near the level of those backrowers yet. He has the skillset, and although his game was somewhat stifled this year because of his move into the front row, he lacks consistency and dominance.

When has he played a game anywhere near as influential as the regular performances as any of the aforementioned?

Christ, I doubt he's made over 100m 3 times this year. He's not even the best backrower at the club, how could he be in that elite bracket yet?

 

[K-Man]

I believe the term used was SKILLS.

I'm not sure defense is a skill or commitment and technique?

I dunno about anyone else, but I term skill in more of a ball playing sense than defense.

And I figure that given the example used was Houston putting Mullen away like a running halfback, that was the context it was intended it seems.

As a passing, ball playing forward, he wouldn't be in the Top 10. Tupou, Harrison, Mateo, Pritchard immediately come to mind as having twice the passing skills.

Exactly.

Houston doesn't come close to those players, nor plenty of others, in terms of skill with the football in hand. And to be fair Pika, I think that's what was being specifically referred to in this case.

Of course defence is a major skill of the game, but it wasn't teh focus of this debate I don't believe.

Houston is an excellent player, but he doesn't have anywhere near the consistent impact with ball in hand to compared to somebody like Ben Creagh or Trent Waterhouse. Seriously, either of those would take our team to a new level. How often is Houston one of the best 3 players on the field?

To be honest I thought he was pretty lucky to make it as far as Origin 18th man.

But don't get me wrong, I want him at the club. He's a very good forward.

 

[keeney]

His commitment and desire are a lot of his package, he has a good workload as a result of these, but impact tends to be what sets apart elite 'skillful' backrowers from their peers. As good as he can be (occassionally) and will be, he is more in the Alan Tongue mould now rather than the Paul Gallen mould.

I think the signing of Evarn will benefit us in a number of ways, but largely by ensuring that Houso doesn't have to play front row. While he can do it, he struggles to make good yardage in the middle. He is more effective fringe running between players and poking through the advantage line than bashing and pushing. HIs major asset as a prop is his strong defense and ability to wrap up a player with his gangly frame. As a backrower his height sees him develop more 2nd phase play as well as giving him more space for yardage. Hopefully next year truly is his breakthrough year, when he has a full season in position.

 

[Karmawave]

I find it staggering that someone is saying defence is not a skill......

Attacking represents 50% of the job at hand.

When talking about the overall skill of a player, to only consider attack, means you are only measuring half the player.

I agree, those players probably offer more in attacking ball skills, but I think even in attack, if House were on an edge, he would be just as good in meters a game.

I understand exactly what you're saying Pika, but the context of the word " skill " in this case was another member here making reference to Houston putting Mullen through a hole with a pass that was like a " running halfback ".

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Are we talking attitudes or skills?

Saying Houston is the most skillful forward in the NRL is ridiculous.

Maybe. However I unlike yourself will be happy to cop it when and if I am wrong. The facts are that House can play front and backrow like it is not even a transition for him. Many were saying our season was over when Ben and Dan got injured for the season. Guess what. We are 7th and have a massive chance of winning another premiership. Why? Chris and Mark stepped up to the plate and showed that true talent always rises to the top. Karma, we need believers and not cynics.

 

[keeney]

Massive chance of winning another premiership? Get your hand off it. House has averaged like 80m if that at prop, how is that cream rising to the top? He isn't an outstanding prop. We are like 3rd last in terms of metres gained as a club. How is that a testament to our front row?

Feel free to rant and rave, but don't imply that not subscribing to your view is the work of anything but common sense.

 

[Karmawave]

As someone mentioned earlier, with the way Zeb Taia has played this season, Houston isn't even the most skillful forward in our club let alone the NRL.

The comparisons to some of those rep class forwards mentioned earlier is a massive stretch.

I appreciate his consistency, but if he's a race horse he'd be good at mid week metropolitan meetings, but best leave the Saturday racing for the next class up.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Maybe. However I unlike yourself will be happy to cop it when and if I am wrong. The facts are that House can play front and backrow like it is not even a transition for him. Many were saying our season was over when Ben and Dan got injured for the season. Guess what. We are 7th and have a massive chance of winning another premiership. Why? Chris and Mark stepped up to the plate and showed that true talent always rises to the top. Karma, we need believers and not cynics.

I'll be honest even when he plays a front rower you can barely tell...... Pretty much like just having 1 front rower on the paddock @ the time he hardly ever does the hard hit ups, and is rarely there to take 1st or 2nd hitup.

 

[Bring it home Knights]

I'm amazed with some of the comments on here about the way houseton is playing. He is playing solid and consistent football, but that's it. When he runs the ball, he does it often in a way that resembles someone running in slow motion. This rubbish about his skill set is over the top! How many offloads has he done this year? I'd put taia, paterson and even tolar as having a bigger skills set than House does atm. For people to compare him as one of the best and skillful forwards in the comp is bordering on laughable.

 

[Big Tim]

Comparing Taia and House based on 09 is a waste of time.

One played backrow all year, the other played 2-3 games of backrow. You expect something different out of your prop and your 12. house gave us that. I cant wait to see him back in the backrow.

 

[roopy]

House is Simmo junior.

 

[Yosh]

House is alright but nothing special at this stage if you ask me. Definately needs to work on his consistancy but his defence is pretty good. Least we starting signing early this year hopefully by start of next season we'll see a couple of household names join the club!

 

[TooheysNew]

House is alright but nothing special at this stage if you ask me. Definately needs to work on his consistancy but his defence is pretty good. Least we starting signing early this year hopefully by start of next season we'll see a couple of household names join the club!

Huh?