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Wb1234

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There is a reason they are paying $20m a year for the Dolphins
Yep they paid just enough to cover the cost of the dolphins entry plus a small profit for the arlc

tight asses

but future tv deals will truly reflect their value

if stan or paramount bid then we get way more
 

Wb1234

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AFL rights will increase in 2025 as they begin their seven year deal. Good luck to them. . So will there be a Kayo price increase in 2025?

Most likely..

Maybe the only way for NRL fans to stop funding the AFL is for the code to look elsewhere.
Hopefully stan or paramount bid against foxtel

the ratings are massive so you would expect so

then we get what we are worth

fox won’t lose the rugby league
 

Iamback

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Yep they paid just enough to cover the cost of the dolphins entry plus a small profit for the arlc

tight asses

but future tv deals will truly reflect their value

if stan or paramount bid then we get way more

Both will bid, Both are no chance to get them though
 

Perth Red

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Both will bid, Both are no chance to get them though
Depends on how Fox subs go as price rises. Having paid out so much for AFL can they (and FTA partner) match a $600mill plus bid from Paramount/Ch10 again? What would KAYO price be if they had to do that? How would the relationship with Ch9 go if Nine/Stan try and buy the lot? More of a flu than a cold coming possibly lol!
 

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Depends on how Fox subs go as price rises. Having paid out so much for AFL can they (and FTA partner) match a $600mill plus bid from Paramount/Ch10 again? What would KAYO price be if they had to do that? How would the relationship with Ch9 go if Nine/Stan try and buy the lot? More of a flu than a cold coming possibly lol!

Stan is $24 a month now. How much does it rise with production cost rises? That is before they get the rights.

Then they also have the current issues of no access into pubs and clubs, So they can't even onsell the product to pubs and clubs
 

Perth Red

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Like Spark both will be gone soon
Paramount+ has 46mill subscribers globally, doubt its going anywhere. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see some mergers/partnerships between streaming services in years to come. As price point invariably goes up people will become more limited in how many services they subscribe to.
Paramount also has a ad supported free streaming service, Pluto, with 72mill subscribers which they could use internationally for sports content alongside Ch10 maybe?
 

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are they really paying anything for the Dolphins?

2017
Ch9 $125mill
Fox $235mill (Announced Fox would pay out $1.175mill)
Telstra $20mill
plus SkyNZ $20mill

2023
Ch9 $130mill
Sky NZ $32mill
Fox $240mill

Ch9's newspapers said they did, What do they gain from lying?
 

Perth Red

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Stan is $24 a month now. How much does it rise with production cost rises? That is before they get the rights.

Then they also have the current issues of no access into pubs and clubs, So they can't even onsell the product to pubs and clubs
Stan is well overpriced without a major sport on it. I suspect they will struggle over time unless they can get something that makes them more competitive with the big streamers. NRL would certainly do it for them.
 

Perth Red

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Ch9's newspapers said they did, What do they gain from lying?
It wasnt so much a lie as a distortion of the truth. ie Vlandys signs an extension deal in May 2020 with Fox for $220mill. He then announces in Oct 2021 there will be a 17th club and Fox is paying $20mill for it. He then announces a $400mill tv deal in Dec 2021.
This takes Fox/Kayo up back up to the $240mill they were roughly paying for the content in 2017. Its nice spin to sound like the game covered the cost of expansion when in reality we got very little cash for it.
I predicted this and have said all along the true value of expansion likes in the 9th tv spot, not in adding one club from Brisbane. For years people argued against me, quoting Ch9 execs and Brisbane viewing figures, and guess what, I was right
 

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It wasnt so much a lie as a distortion of the truth. ie Vlandys signs an extension deal in May 2020 with Fox for $220mill. He then announces in Oct 2021 there will be a 17th club and Fox is paying $20mill for it. He then announces a $400mill tv deal in Dec 2021.
This takes Fox/Kayo up back up to the $240mill they were roughly paying for the content in 2017. Its nice spin to sound like the game covered the cost of expansion when in reality we got very little cash for it.
I predicted this and have said all along the true value of expansion likes in the 9th tv spot, not in adding one club from Brisbane. For years people argued against me, quoting Ch9 execs and Brisbane viewing figures, and guess what, I was right

Except PVL said it was $400m cash.

Which fits with this reporting. $50m contra

Still, industry sources claim the AFL will receive $100m a year more than the NRL’s $450m, a significant gap considering the broadcasting incomes for the two codes were similar a decade ago, allowing for the AFL providing one more game per week.

The current NRL deal, believed to be $2.3 billion over five years, ends in 2027. It’s the closing year of this contract which accounts for some of the strained optimism at Rugby League Central when the AFL announcement was made Tuesday.



Which if True puts Fox at $290m. Up from the $235m of the last deal even with the $20m taken away. All will be revealed in months
 

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Yep. Disney+ increased its prices by $2 a month in December 2022.

It is easy to say it is due to x sport.

Reality is yearly increases are common across the board. Cameramen, Producers for starters expect pay rises. Where does this come from?
 

Perth Red

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Except PVL said it was $400m cash.

Which fits with this reporting. $50m contra

Still, industry sources claim the AFL will receive $100m a year more than the NRL’s $450m, a significant gap considering the broadcasting incomes for the two codes were similar a decade ago, allowing for the AFL providing one more game per week.

The current NRL deal, believed to be $2.3 billion over five years, ends in 2027. It’s the closing year of this contract which accounts for some of the strained optimism at Rugby League Central when the AFL announcement was made Tuesday.



Which if True puts Fox at $290m. Up from the $235m of the last deal even with the $20m taken away. All will be revealed in months
There has NEVER been a TV deal announcement as just cash in the history of sports tv deals. No one wants to undersell the tv deal amount at the announcement, makes them look better to include it all. The chances of it being $400mill cash are very slim. You dont announce a $2.25bill deal as a $2bill deal! Given we know $115mill is nine cash and Sky is likely to be around $25mill cash that would leave Fox paying $260mill cash, up from around $225mill cash last deal. Why would Vlandys take to the media to try and justify the deal and explain why he gave Fox such a sweet agreement if we were getting a 15% increase from them?

That would mean
Nine $115mill cash $15mill contra (confirmed)
SkyNZ $25mill cash $7mill contra (guess)
Fox $260mill cash $28mill contra

Thats a heck of a lot of contra from Fox! Last deal it was around $10-12mill.

The NRL offica releases only talked 'revenue' never 'cash'.


Our problem is now this as pointed out in that article, meaning we will never know for sure:

'However, in an age of transparency, there is a crucial point of difference between the AFL and NRL. The AFL declare their TV contracts (albeit with add-ons), while the NRL have not disclosed broadcast income in audited accounts since V’landys made his exclusive deal with Foxtel back in the days when a coffee cost $4.'
 
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Perth Red

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It is easy to say it is due to x sport.

Reality is yearly increases are common across the board. Cameramen, Producers for starters expect pay rises. Where does this come from?
3-5% fair enough. KAYO just went up 20% and we havent hit the big AFL pay date yet!

Here in lies a problem. EPL for example in UK costs fans $120 a month to stream. Just so clubs can get richer and players get paid more and more. I get that its a commodity but still at what point does sport stop being about community and become little more than just another sales product?
 
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3-5% fair enough. KAYO just went up 20% and we havent hit the big AFL pay date yet!

Here in lies a problem. EPL for example in UK costs fans $120 a month to stream. Just so clubs can get richer and players get paid more and more. I get that its a commodity but still at what point does sport stop being about community and become little more than just another sales product?
At $120 per month they're opening the door for other sports to get a shoe in the door. If kids only get to see what's on the BBC then they might take a fancy to it.
 

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