Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

So I guess in a nutshell in this thread, what you're saying is:

NO to Paramount
NO to Stan
All the way with Fox.

Even though it's January 2023 and a new deal commences in 2028.

Think he’s saying is 99.9 percent fox keep it and he’s right

 

[Iamback]

So I guess in a nutshell in this thread, what you're saying is:

NO to Paramount
NO to Stan
All the way with Fox.

Even though it's January 2023 and a new deal commences in 2028.

Unless there is improvement in the access and quality of the 1st 2 then yes,
Cricket and AFL both saw stuff they didn't like for 2028 when they were in talks.

Personally I don't see Stan being around in 2028, Ch 10 needs to get their Regionals locked in long term as a good 1st step

 

[Iamback]

Think he’s saying is 99.9 percent fox keep it and he’s right

I would love it to change, Especially off channel 9 but we don't have the infrastructure the rest of the world does and the small population we are slow to reach with things like internet access

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Potato

Has he got a twin brother who is also a potato ?

 

[Iamback]

Has he got a twin brother who is also a potato ?

The other one can't spell potato

 

[Perth Red]

Where is the extra $500m coming from?

This is where any discussion is pointless with you, You get these weird thoughts far removed from reality

Weve literally just seen Ch9/Stan bid $500-550mill, Paramount bid $600mill and Ch7/Fox around $550-575mill a year for AFL. We accepted $365mill from Ch9/Fox for TV rights.
Given we have traditionally been around 10-20% below AFL Tv rights value that would suggest if the same open tender process had occurred last year that NRL could have achieved in the region of $450-500mill for the Australian rights. A $100-150mill a year difference to what we actually achieved. Over 5 years $500mill plus. BINGO!

 

[Iamback]

Weve literally just seen Ch9/Stan bid $500-550mill, Paramount bid $600mill and Ch7/Fox around $550-575mill a year for AFL. We accepted $365mill from Ch9/Fox for TV rights.
Given we have traditionally been around 10-20% below AFL Tv rights value that would suggest if the same open tender process had occurred last year that NRL could have achieved in the region of $450-500mill for the Australian rights. A $100-150mill a year difference to what we actually achieved. Over 5 years $500mill plus. BINGO!

The 2 codes aren't the same content wise, Why would they get the same money?

Especially now with the extra round AFL has added
They also have a full AFLW competition with a dedicated time slot. Once NRL has the same then they reap the benefits

As for those other networks, Neither got AFL or cricket. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of the bids and why NRL likely wouldn't of gone there either

 

[Pneuma]

Weve literally just seen Ch9/Stan bid $500-550mill, Paramount bid $600mill and Ch7/Fox around $550-575mill a year for AFL. We accepted $365mill from Ch9/Fox for TV rights.
Given we have traditionally been around 10-20% below AFL Tv rights value that would suggest if the same open tender process had occurred last year that NRL could have achieved in the region of $450-500mill for the Australian rights. A $100-150mill a year difference to what we actually achieved. Over 5 years $500mill plus. BINGO!

A potato comparing apples with oranges? How novel!

 

[Pneuma]

The 2 codes aren't the same content wise, Why would they get the same money?

Especially now with the extra round AFL has added
They also have a full AFLW competition with a dedicated time slot. Once NRL has the same then they reap the benefits

As for those other networks, Neither got AFL or cricket. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of the bids and why NRL likely wouldn't of gone there either

Sorry that goes against his agenda. The fact the afl has far more content at this time, longer games and more ad breaks as well as significantly higher associated costs escapes his rampaging anti V’landys obsessive rants.

 

[Iamback]

Sorry that goes against his agenda. The fact the afl has far more content at this time, longer games and more ad breaks as well as significantly higher associated costs escapes his rampaging anti V’landys obsessive rants.

Yep, We are talking a huge difference too

 

[Steel Saints]

Unless there is improvement in the access and quality of the 1st 2 then yes,
Cricket and AFL both saw stuff they didn't like for 2028 when they were in talks.

Personally I don't see Stan being around in 2028, Ch 10 needs to get their Regionals locked in long term as a good 1st step

CA begins new deal in 2024/25, the AFL, 2025. So the NRL has a three year overlap from the other codes.. Could three years change alot in terms of improving services?

My concern is if the NRL goes back once again to Nine/Fox from 2028, the same tired duopoly, then I don't how the game can freshen itself up in terms of coverage.

Nine had the cricket for forty years. Towards the end, the coverage did look dated. While at the same time, Ten had the BBL, and the game looked fresh from there broadcasting. And all of a sudden, the BBL became popular.

From 2028, the NRL needs a something different, modern.

 

[Pneuma]

Yep, We are talking a huge difference too

and according to Caroline Wilson they may need deep pockets to pay off the claims of racism infesting the game at its highest levels.

 

[Pneuma]

CA begins new deal in 2024/25, the AFL, 2025. So the NRL has a three year overlap from the other codes.. Could three years change alot in terms of improving services?

My concern is if the NRL goes back once again to Nine/Fox from 2028, the same tired duopoly, then I don't how the game can freshen itself up in terms of coverage.

Nine had the cricket for forty years. Towards the end, the coverage did look dated. While at the same time, Ten had the BBL, and the game looked fresh from there broadcasting. And all of a sudden, the BBL became popular.

From 2028, the NRL needs a something different, modern.

Totally agree. We need to hit 2028 with a brand new approach and strategy.

 

[Iamback]

CA begins new deal in 2024/25, the AFL, 2025. So the NRL has a three year overlap from the other codes.. Could three years change alot in terms of improving services?

My concern is if the NRL goes back once again to Nine/Fox from 2028, the same tired duopoly, then I don't how the game can freshen itself up in terms of coverage.

Nine had the cricket for forty years. Towards the end, the coverage did look dated. While at the same time, Ten had the BBL, and the game looked fresh from there broadcasting. And all of a sudden, the BBL became popular.

From 2028, the NRL needs a something different, modern.

Where would the new producers come from for the freshen up though? Take ch10 they have almost no sport so very likely bring the tired coverage across with them.

Fox Sports do other sports that the good ones would be re-assigned to other sports.

Leaves you with the same old ones or new young inexperienced ones that may or may not do a worse job, The best thing would be game 9 go to another one to get some experience up 1st

 

[taipan]

You might have a Point if 12 months later we didnt then see afl recoup all their losses in 23&24 and a year later blow the record tv deal out of the water from 25 With three media giants bidding against each other.
Waiting until 2022 when covid threat was dissipating would have been the smart move, not renegotiating a deal at a time when we didn’t even know how seasons were going to be played. even extended 2 years like afl for a lot more then going to market would have been a better outcome. What happened to Vlandys and abdos trip to usa where they were supposed to be courting potential bidders?
smith got sacked for negotiating with nine before fox, Vlandys did exactly same thing signing a sht deal with fox and leaving fta out. By time we did deal with fta there was no other interest, hence why ch9 have paid sweet fa extra for 5 more years.

And the AFL is expecting a huge increase LOL good luck.When was the last AFL deal two months ago? No.
The world economy is facing dramatic changes .The Biden administration has the country in 31trillion in debt and wants to continue spending.You think interest rates are going down, remaining steady, when in Oz inflation continues.Businesses are cutting back, major builders are going into administration.Been to a grocery store lately?
The UK has deep financial issues.Russia is stuffed financially.
That was not the only reason Smith got sacked ,try extravagances for a start and not understanding the media set up ins and outs.He had little understanding of the culture, whereas at least Abdo has been in this country long enough prior, to get the message and has a reasonable amount of business tact when it comes to RL.
And you are citing Smith when the economy was not like it is now yeah right.
So if we negotiate a deal this year, we would get a humdinger of a deal according to your logic.TV stations don't want short term deals, neither do sports.Both want some sort of certainty.
Waiting until 2022 FFS, interest rates started too jump in May thereabouts and continued unabated, such that a lot of mortgagees are finding it difficult paying the mortgage mthly.The COVID threat is still around ,if you have been keeping up to speed with the news. Some cruise ships have had problems recently and hospitals continue to receive patients and people are dying.
Guess what if you are battling with repayments ,what suffers luxuries.eg Pay TV in some cases.
Mate I know Perth is the most isolated city on the planet ,but surely news gets there reasonably quick.

 

[Perth Red]

The 2 codes aren't the same content wise, Why would they get the same money?

Especially now with the extra round AFL has added
They also have a full AFLW competition with a dedicated time slot. Once NRL has the same then they reap the benefits

As for those other networks, Neither got AFL or cricket. That tells you all you need to know about the quality of the bids and why NRL likely wouldn't of gone there either

They wouldnt, like I said over the last few tv deals we have been traditionally 10-20% below them. That would put us, with an equivalent gap, at around $500mill a year.

Doesnt matter if they didnt go with the other bids, what matters is they put in serious bids which drove the price up. You think Ch7/Fox are giving AFL $160mill plus a year increase on the last tv deal out of goodness of their hearts? Competitive tension drove up the price and landed them a windfall.

 

[Pneuma]

They wouldnt, like I said over the last few tv deals we have been traditionally 10-20% below them. That would put us, with an equivalent gap, at around $500mill a year.

Doesnt matter if they didnt go with the other bids, what matters is they put in serious bids which drove the price up. You think Ch7/Fox are giving AFL $160mill plus a year increase on the last tv deal out of goodness of their hearts? Competitive tension drove up the price and landed them a windfall.

Potato

 

[Perth Red]

And the AFL is expecting a huge increase LOL good luck.When was the last AFL deal two months ago? No.
The world economy is facing dramatic changes .The Biden administration has the country in 31trillion in debt and wants to continue spending.You think interest rates are going down, remaining steady, when in Oz inflation continues.Businesses are cutting back, major builders are going into administration.Been to a grocery store lately?
The UK has deep financial issues.Russia is stuffed financially.
That was not the only reason Smith got sacked ,try extravagances for a start and not understanding the media set up ins and outs.He had little understanding of the culture, whereas at least Abdo has been in this country long enough prior, to get the message and has a reasonable amount of business tact when it comes to RL.
And you are citing Smith when the economy was not like it is now yeah right.
So if we negotiate a deal this year, we would get a humdinger of a deal according to your logic.TV stations don't want short term deals, neither do sports.Both want some sort of certainty.
Waiting until 2022 FFS, interest rates started too jump in May thereabouts and continued unabated, such that a lot of mortgagees are finding it difficult paying the mortgage mthly.The COVID threat is still around ,if you have been keeping up to speed with the news. Some cruise ships have had problems recently and hospitals continue to receive patients and people are dying.
Guess what if you are battling with repayments ,what suffers luxuries.eg Pay TV in some cases.
Mate I know Perth is the most isolated city on the planet ,but surely news gets there reasonably quick.

Welcome back Tai, havent seen you for a while. You might have missed it but AFL signed a tv deal in 2022 that was $160mill plus a year MORE than their last deal. In 2020 they signed one of those short term deals you mentioned that recouped all of their covid TV revenue losses. Hmmm.
But yeh the economy means Tv isn't willing to splash out for sport lol

Ironically Vlandys blamed covid for Fox struggling and therefore giving them it a bargain basement price (the now infamous catching a cold line), yet all the stats show streaming subscriptions went through the roof during covid!

Heres the link for you to catch up

Analysing the AFL’s record-breaking media rights deal - SportsPro

After the AFL’s new AUS$4.5bn rights agreement, SportsPro evaluates what it means for the league over the next seven years.

www.sportspromedia.com

 

[Pneuma]

Welcome back Tai, havent seen you for a while. You might have missed it but AFL signed a tv deal in 2022 that was $160mill plus a year MORE than their last deal. In 2020 they signed one of those short term deals you mentioned that recouped all of their covid TV revenue losses. Hmmm.
But yeh the economy means Tv isn't willing to splash out for sport lol

Ironically Vlandys blamed covid for Fox struggling and therefore giving them it a bargain basement price (the now infamous catching a cold line), yet all the stats show streaming subscriptions went through the roof during covid!

Heres the link for you to catch up

Analysing the AFL’s record-breaking media rights deal - SportsPro

After the AFL’s new AUS$4.5bn rights agreement, SportsPro evaluates what it means for the league over the next seven years.

www.sportspromedia.com

Potato

 

[Iamback]

Welcome back Tai, havent seen you for a while. You might have missed it but AFL signed a tv deal in 2022 that was $160mill plus a year MORE than their last deal. In 2020 they signed one of those short term deals you mentioned that recouped all of their covid TV revenue losses. Hmmm.
But yeh the economy means Tv isn't willing to splash out for sport lol

Ironically Vlandys blamed covid for Fox struggling and therefore giving them it a bargain basement price (the now infamous catching a cold line), yet all the stats show streaming subscriptions went through the roof during covid!

Heres the link for you to catch up

Analysing the AFL’s record-breaking media rights deal - SportsPro

After the AFL’s new AUS$4.5bn rights agreement, SportsPro evaluates what it means for the league over the next seven years.

www.sportspromedia.com

Funny how you always leave the Telstra part out