Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Perth Red]

Lets use that $550m figure then.

An AFL round is 1080 mins and NRL is 640 mins.

AFL has added an extra round not just for the 7 years but for the next 2 also.

They know have an AFLW running until Nov, They can do that because don't have an international window to try and fill in.

Feb-Nov content. Longer games across the season it is more than double the Minutes NRL provides.

Oh yes and they have qtr breaks not one 10 min half. More stoppages in play for ads.

So again why would NRL get the same if they went to tender later?

I’ve never said they’d get the same. But we have never seen a gap between deals like this one. for Australian tv. we are talking $365mill ish to $550mill plus. That is a massive unprecedented difference and certainly not even remotely explained away by duration of game or number of adverts. Let’s not forget ch9 also got origin in that $125mI’ll tv money so not even just domestic comp rights!
last deal the gap was $355ish v $416

 

[Perth Red]

I just dont see the NRL going with Paramount unless theres a big lift in both their coverage and reputation. Or more money than they can resist. Stan has union and the grand slam tennis audiences, and the Olympics coming up, they arent going anywhere.

Whats really screwing the bidding up is Seven not having a paid sub service after killing off the Presto joint venture

Fox/ch9 have only paid $365mill these rights inc rep origin rights, if paramount offer anything like the $600mill they offered afl then either the incumbents are going to have to massively increase their money or the game has to go with paramount,

 

[Perth Red]

Then how do those sides make money if they are getting hand outs only?

They don’t, pistol Pete wants to keep them encumbered to the nrl so they can be controlled. arlc shou,d take out costs and then any profit should be split between the two nations governing bodies. How do we expect these nations to grow with no funding?.

 

[Pneuma]

They don’t, pistol Pete wants to keep them encumbered to the nrl so they can be controlled. arlc shou,d take out costs and then any profit should be split between the two nations governing bodies. How do we expect these nations to grow with no funding?.

Pistol Pete, sock puppet, Pokie dens. Whinging Pom!

 

[Iamback]

I’ve never said they’d get the same. But we have never seen a gap between deals like this one. for Australian tv. we are talking $365mill ish to $550mill plus. That is a massive unprecedented difference and certainly not even remotely explained away by duration of game or number of adverts. Let’s not forget ch9 also got origin in that $125mI’ll tv money so not even just domestic comp rights!
last deal the gap was $355ish v $416

Look at the AFLW, That will give you your answer

All 18 AFL clubs have an AFLW version which equals far more content then the NRLW has, NRLW also is missing some key clubs Storm, Warriors, Souths hell don't even have the premiers with a women's team.

Content is at it's biggest gap too, So why would it not have the biggest gap?

Of course that doesn't include this year when NRL is actually in front in this dumb comparision.

 

[Iamback]

They don’t, pistol Pete wants to keep them encumbered to the nrl so they can be controlled. arlc shou,d take out costs and then any profit should be split between the two nations governing bodies. How do we expect these nations to grow with no funding?.

Yet it is his fault the IRL didn't have a schedule?

You can't have it both ways

 

[siv]

Unless there is improvement in the access and quality of the 1st 2 then yes,
Cricket and AFL both saw stuff they didn't like for 2028 when they were in talks.

Personally I don't see Stan being around in 2028, Ch 10 needs to get their Regionals locked in long term as a good 1st step

I cant see fiber to home being delivered for another 25 years, so unless compression algorithms improve to deliver 4K to 16K we are stuck with a 1K resolution for years to come in most households

 

[Perth Red]

Look at the AFLW, That will give you your answer

All 18 AFL clubs have an AFLW version which equals far more content then the NRLW has, NRLW also is missing some key clubs Storm, Warriors, Souths hell don't even have the premiers with a women's team.

Content is at it's biggest gap too, So why would it not have the biggest gap?

Of course that doesn't include this year when NRL is actually in front in this dumb comparision.

How is the nrl ahead this year? $402 v $473

you are seriously suggesting aflw is worth a $200mill gap? Lol
origin is supposed to be worth $30mill on its own. That alone is worth more than the entire aflw season to tv. No one’s subscribing to kayo to watch aflw!

your justification for this travesty is perplexing to say the least. Australian Tv partners have right royally screwed us yet again, with the help of our illustrious leaders, and you seem to be making as many excuses as you can for it!

 

[Perth Red]

Yet it is his fault the IRL didn't have a schedule?

You can't have it both ways

Err partly. No one can confirm fixtures until the cba is signed.

 

[Iamback]

How is the nrl ahead this year? $402 v $473

you are seriously suggesting aflw is worth a $200mill gap? Lol
origin is supposed to be worth $30mill on its own. That alone is worth more than the entire aflw season to tv. No one’s subscribing to kayo to watch aflw!

your justification for this travesty is perplexing to say the least. Australian Tv partners have right royally screwed us yet again, with the help of our illustrious leaders, and you seem to be making as many excuses as you can for it!

NRL have said they are $400m cash. That would make it $430m total.

No you dumb shit, An AFL round is 1080 mins. NRL is 640 mins. 9 games compared to 8. qtrs compared to 1/2's. Do the maths. An NRL season is double the NRL content and then you have another 3 12 weeks of the AFLW after. Giving you Feb-Nov in content.

As for your last part, I have said what should the NRL get and why and you refuse to answer. Easy to say TV is ripping the game off but harder to say why it is

 

[Iamback]

Err partly. No one can confirm fixtures until the cba is signed.

Why should the game plan where is best for Samoa v Tonga to play in 2024, In 2022?

 

[Perth Red]

I cant see fiber to home being delivered for another 25 years, so unless compression algorithms improve to deliver 4K to 16K we are stuck with a 1K resolution for years to come in most households

withIn a decade I predict we’ll all be using super fast mobile or satellite internet connections. hard wiring will seem archaic. You only need 50mps ish to stream 4k. I’m typing this on a plane above Adelaide with a 17mps connection.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL have said they are $400m cash. That would make it $430m total.

No you dumb shit, An AFL round is 1080 mins. NRL is 640 mins. 9 games compared to 8. qtrs compared to 1/2's. Do the maths. An NRL season is double the NRL content and then you have another 3 12 weeks of the AFLW after. Giving you Feb-Nov in content.

As for your last part, I have said what should the NRL get and why and you refuse to answer. Easy to say TV is ripping the game off but harder to say why it is

No they haven’t, Masters has. Show me a direct quote from any nrl official that states it’s $400mill cash. Why would the nrl announce a $2.15 billion deal as “over” $2billion?

lol weve covered this! Length is only relevant to fta. Nrl has the advantage of much higher audiences/subscribers and origin. no one’s paying for aflw on fox. If length of the product was key golf, tennis, cricket would be killing it in tv deals!

as for what we should get
based on afl getting $550mill from Australian tv we should be getting more from fox than them given our subscription rate must be higher based on ratings and 10-20% less on fta Given they have 4 games on fta but we have origin. Our skynz deal should be the bonus icing that puts overall deals ahead of them!

so $150mill fta (not inc radio) $360mill plus from streaming and $30mill sky nz. This is based on there being 18 teams in nrl and nrlw by 2028.

that compares to this shthouse deal of $125mill fta, $240 mill fox, $32mill nz.

it’s not hard to see who totally screwed us, but hey they didn’t catch a cold and had the spare money to throw at our rivals so all good I suppose?

ninth game should go to open bidding between fta and streaming to decide who gets it.

 

[Perth Red]

Why should the game plan where is best for Samoa v Tonga to play in 2024, In 2022?

So they can plan long term irl strategies! And sell the product to fans, sponsors and tv. Imagine being in a national sides sales team trying to sell sponsorship to corporates at the moment when they have no idea when who and where they will be playing this year let alone for the foreseeable future! An 8 year calendar is what is needed.

 

[Pneuma]

So they can plan long term irl strategies! And sell the product to fans, sponsors and tv. Imagine being in a national sides sales team trying to sell sponsorship to corporates at the moment when they have no idea when who and where they will be playing this year let alone for the foreseeable future! An 8 year calendar is what is needed.

God you are a boring turd.

 

[Iamback]

So they can plan long term irl strategies! And sell the product to fans, sponsors and tv. Imagine being in a national sides sales team trying to sell sponsorship to corporates at the moment when they have no idea when who and where they will be playing this year let alone for the foreseeable future! An 8 year calendar is what is needed.

I asked this before, Tell me where and when the 1st cricket test next summer is?

No sport plans too far ahead like that, Why should RL

 

[Pneuma]

I asked this before, Tell me where and when the 1st cricket test next summer is?

No sport plans too far ahead like that, Why should RL

Because the whinging old turd says so.

 

[Perth Red]

I asked this before, Tell me where and when the 1st cricket test next summer is?

No sport plans too far ahead like that, Why should RL

Here you go, 30 tournaments/events announced through to 2027!

Australia Cricket Team Future Tour Programs (FTP) Schedule

union has the lions tour booked in for 2025
socceroos are playing in Asia cup in 2023

i can’t find another sport that plays international games that doesn’t have its fixtures for 2023 already announced!

 

[Iamback]

No they haven’t, Masters has. Show me a direct quote from any nrl official that states it’s $400mill cash. Why would the nrl announce a $2.15 billion deal as “over” $2billion?

lol weve covered this! Length is only relevant to fta. Nrl has the advantage of much higher audiences/subscribers and origin. no one’s paying for aflw on fox. If length of the product was key golf, tennis, cricket would be killing it in tv deals!

as for what we should get
based on afl getting $550mill from Australian tv we should be getting more from fox than them given our subscription rate must be higher based on ratings and 10-20% less on fta Given they have 4 games on fta but we have origin. Our skynz deal should be the bonus icing that puts overall deals ahead of them!

so $150mill fta (not inc radio) $360mill plus from streaming and $30mill sky nz. This is based on there being 18 teams in nrl and nrlw by 2028.

that compares to this shthouse deal of $125mill fta, $240 mill fox, $32mill nz.

it’s not hard to see who totally screwed us, but hey they didn’t catch a cold and had the spare money to throw at our rivals so all good I suppose?

ninth game should go to open bidding between fta and streaming to decide who gets it.

I will find the puff piece interview it was in, Then there is this

Rubbery figures, but AFL has 100 million reasons to gloat over TV deal

On face value, the AFL’s eye-watering broadcast deal could have Peter V’landys reaching for something stronger than coffee, but there remains strained optimism at Rugby League Central.

www.smh.com.au

The AFL extended their rights for just two years. V’landys awarded Foxtel a seven-year extension until 2027, believed to be for an annual payment of $300m.

Channel 9 has been confirmed as $130m, 15m contra.

If Sky is paying $30m. That makes the total the $450m. which is over $400m the NRL has stated.

Why should NRL get $150m on FTA, Where are the ratings trending? Aside from 4 games they are live on Fox too so how will that improve?

Cricket gets $200m for 2 months content, You don't think that is better than either code gets?

So why is there ads in PayTV if they only need Subs?

 

[Iamback]

Because the whinging old turd says so.

Pretty much, He has no idea how the real world works