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Perth Red

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& once again you missed the point by focusing as usual on one thing .
Let me dumb it down for you
with extreme emphasis on the word DUMB.

the last decade the Afl has during the season
9x3 hr games .= 27 Hrs weekly
NRL has 8x2=16 weekly .
A massive advertising difference for media …
They pay for content …We can’t match that for content…hence we have gotten lesser deals .
yet P/H we were getting more …lol you didn’t want to touch that one .
AFL has 11 Hrs P/W extra for media (7 & Fox to a lesser extent) to advertise .
of course they are going to pay more …it’s simple You get a jersey lol
Theres a bucketload of advertising opportunities that we don’t have .
We make up some of that with SOO & international.but it’s still a huge gap.

Now stay with me …& try not to ignore these points
Its not just about 1 figure …it’s all you have with your hate of PVL & RL
What about the largercosts of running 9 teams .
What about the larger travel costs .
The larger overall costs of running a Comp.
The larger overall costs ofThrowing a fortune at 2 unwanted teams to keep them afloat for Lol ever .

It’s not about one thing .
We are traveling pretty good well not according to you .
You can be a smaller organization & run well with a smaller budget & smaller income.
Seeing as you like to to focus on one thing.
They have many many many more Hrs of game time .
Hence they get more .



You have this rose colored view of everything The AFL does as wonderful yet hate on RL for being conservative in the past .
Even now with a very good financial report you are posting negative after negative about it while nearly all are very happy with it & where we are headed.
Dont disagree, the game is in good health. Finances are looking good at club and comp level, thought the continued underspend in grassroots is a concern.

Yes they have more content, but we provide more subscribers to paytv and we have bigger audiences by far watching the ads on fta, We also have origin which is in the top 3 programs of the year consistently.
In TV we have been behind consistently and that gap is growing to a chasm,
in sponsorship we are behind consistently,
in revenue generally we are billions behind.

Yes they spend more, but guess what when you earn more you can spend more! Clubs would have $25mill grants by now if NRL was earning what AFL is.

Its no ones fault we dont have 18 clubs by now other than the last decade of leaders who've procrastinated on it. Yes vlandys has finally done something, but it hasnt added the ninth game to the tv value it should have done by now.
 

Pneuma

First Grade
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& once again you missed the point by focusing as usual on one thing .
Let me dumb it down for you
with extreme emphasis on the word DUMB.

the last decade the Afl has during the season
9x3 hr games .= 27 Hrs weekly
NRL has 8x2=16 weekly .
A massive advertising difference for media …
They pay for content …We can’t match that for content…hence we have gotten lesser deals .
yet P/H we were getting more …lol you didn’t want to touch that one .
AFL has 11 Hrs P/W extra for media (7 & Fox to a lesser extent) to advertise .
of course they are going to pay more …it’s simple You get a jersey lol
Theres a bucketload of advertising opportunities that we don’t have .
We make up some of that with SOO & international.but it’s still a huge gap.

Now stay with me …& try not to ignore these points
Its not just about 1 figure …it’s all you have with your hate of PVL & RL
What about the largercosts of running 9 teams .
What about the larger travel costs .
The larger overall costs of running a Comp.
The larger overall costs ofThrowing a fortune at 2 unwanted teams to keep them afloat for Lol ever .

It’s not about one thing .
We are traveling pretty good well not according to you .
You can be a smaller organization & run well with a smaller budget & smaller income.
Seeing as you like to to focus on one thing.
They have many many many more Hrs of game time .
Hence they get more .



You have this rose colored view of everything The AFL does as wonderful yet hate on RL for being conservative in the past .
Even now with a very good financial report you are posting negative after negative about it while nearly all are very happy with it & where we are headed.
Outstanding post that old miserable turd won’t be able to respond to
 
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Outstanding post that old miserable turd won’t be able to respond to
He’s been told over &over on here by many
It’s not an apples v apples comparison .
a sport that has far more on airtime per week( a lot of advertising can go in 11 hrs ) is going to get more .
It’s simple . Well for most it is
 

Billythekid

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Every time the usual whiners on here like to complain that the NRL is getting ripped off I and a few others point out that AFL games are much longer and overall they provide more content only to get lambasted every time. Are we finally acknowledging that this is a big part of why the AFL tends to get more than us?
 

Canard

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Is Gambling worse than fast food?
What about Alcohol?

It is a slippery slope to head down this path, Everything has issues

I think both Fast Food and Alchol advertising will be banned eventually, or at least to minors.

I'm dead against gambling ads when kids are at the ground or watching on TV.
 

Pneuma

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Every time the usual whiners on here like to complain that the NRL is getting ripped off I and a few others point out that AFL games are much longer and overall they provide more content only to get lambasted every time. Are we finally acknowledging that this is a big part of why the AFL tends to get more than us?
I’ve never said any different.
 

Wb1234

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Longer games is one reason afl gets more money but it’s not the only reason

until this year they have had two more teams

they have more games

they have the five metros covered

they have a strong commission

Rugby league has much higher ratings

origins

rep games

New Zealand


with the move to 18 teams the two codes deals should equalise or we should overtake

one of the biggest reasons for our poor tv deals is super lesgue ie lost clubs and fans, news ltd owning 50 percent of the game meaning we couldn’t negotiate properly and clueless leaders like Dave smith who ruined our negotiating position
 

docbrown

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Wookie showed the total hours and they are way ahead

it’s why the arlc need to offer more content

we won’t ever match their hours but our value will make the difference
The thing is there’s only so many premium viewings slots in a week. Not many people want to watch live NRL or AFL at 8am on a Saturday. So with 18 teams in the AFL you get around 2 schedule clashes. With 20 teams 3 out of 10 games will clash. If the NRL get to 20 teams, they can do 10 non clashing slots without any games starting before 2pm. Hell, with 24 teams you could even have something like the following, essentially saturation coverage without clashes.

Thursday Night
Friday 6:15 (8:15 NZ home game)
Friday 8:15
Saturday 2, 4, 6, 8
Sunday 12 (2pm NZ) 2, 4, 6
Monday 7

Also for others, don’t get hung up on specific kickoff times. It’s just a rough example.
 

Wb1234

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The thing is there’s only so many premium viewings slots in a week. Not many people want to watch live NRL or AFL at 8am on a Saturday. So with 18 teams in the AFL you get around 2 schedule clashes. With 20 teams 3 out of 10 games will clash. If the NRL get to 20 teams, they can do 10 non clashing slots without any games starting before 2pm. Hell, with 24 teams you could even have something like the following, essentially saturation coverage without clashes.

Thursday Night
Friday 6:15 (8:15 NZ home game)
Friday 8:15
Saturday 2, 4, 6, 8
Sunday 12 (2pm NZ) 2, 4, 6
Monday 7

Also for others, don’t get hung up on specific kickoff times. It’s just a rough example.
Which is why I don’t think we should limit the number of teams in the nrl as long as we keep growing

problem is I can’t think of 24 good teams lol

central coast bears or a pacific team for team number 24
 

Pneuma

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Which is why I don’t think we should limit the number of teams in the nrl as long as we keep growing

problem is I can’t think of 24 good teams lol

central coast bears or a pacific team for team number 24
Doc brown is the light that shines in the darkness that is Perth Turd.
 

Wb1234

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Doc brown is the light that shines in the darkness that is Perth Turd.
I remember avidly reading his posts when Dave smith was negotiating our tv deal and thinking this guy is a gun (doc not smith lol)

Dave smith got sold such a lemon channel nine obliterated him
 

flippikat

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Which is why I don’t think we should limit the number of teams in the nrl as long as we keep growing

problem is I can’t think of 24 good teams lol

central coast bears or a pacific team for team number 24
Current 17 teams plus...

18 Perth
19 NZ 2
20 Brisbane 3
21 Adelaide

22-24: choose from Central Coast, NZ 3, Perth 2 (late game most weekends), Melbourne 2 (huge city), 6th Queensland team (where ever population growth points to)....
 

Wb1234

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Current 17 teams plus...

18 Perth
19 NZ 2
20 Brisbane 3
21 Adelaide

22-24: choose from Central Coast, NZ 3, Perth 2 (late game most weekends), Melbourne 2 (huge city), 6th Queensland team (where ever population growth points to)....
Perth
South wests brissie
Nz2

Adelaide
Png

then two spots for the rest

two conferences

home and away in each conference
Top five finals system for each conference

Super Bowl type grand final
 

Pneuma

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I remember avidly reading his posts when Dave smith was negotiating our tv deal and thinking this guy is a gun (doc not smith lol)

Dave smith got sold such a lemon channel nine obliterated him
I met Smith and you had to feel sorry for him trying to sort out the mess that was rugby league at that time. Had great ideas and truly believed we had the potential to be better. Got severely screwed by Murdoch and then abandoned by Grant. Smith was a great guy to have a beer with by the way.
 

Wb1234

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I met Smith and you had to feel sorry for him trying to sort out the mess that was rugby league at that time. Had great ideas and truly believed we had the potential to be better. Got severely screwed by Murdoch and then abandoned by Grant. Smith was a great guy to have a beer with by the way.
He stuffed up the tv deal

he ticked off fox by cancelling Monday night football and selling the Saturday 730 game to nine ending super Saturday for fox

then he got screwed over again by not stippijg nine to sell the Saturday game to fox and also had to take less for nine as foxtel demanded streaming

Murdoch paid afl an extra 100 mill pa out of spite and then forced us to take Friday 630 instead of mnf

we are paying the price today for his bungling

he gambled and lost

john grant was a flop so was Beattie

clueless
 

Pneuma

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He stuffed up the tv deal

he ticked off fox by cancelling Monday night football and selling the Saturday 730 game to nine ending super Saturday for fox

then he got screwed over again by not stippijg nine to sell the Saturday game to fox and also had to take less for nine as foxtel demanded streaming

Murdoch paid afl an extra 100 mill pa out of spite and then forced us to take Friday 630 instead of mnf

we are paying the price today for his bungling

he gambled and lost

john grant was a flop so was Beattie

clueless
I’d suggest that he was thrown in the deep end and then poorly advised by vested interests. I’d seen enough before he arrived to work out that the dear old game was befuddled by lots of small empires with no idea of the bigger picture. I liked him and in the right environment he’d have done well. Right bloke. Wrong time.
 

Wb1234

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I’d suggest that he was thrown in the deep end and then poorly advised by vested interests. I’d seen enough before he arrived to work out that the dear old game was befuddled by lots of small empires with no idea of the bigger picture. I liked him and in the right environment he’d have done well. Right bloke. Wrong time.

vlandys is a political animal

he’s the only one who can manage the cesspool of rugby league politics
 

Iamback

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I think both Fast Food and Alchol advertising will be banned eventually, or at least to minors.

I'm dead against gambling ads when kids are at the ground or watching on TV.

Then TV will die in this country.

The issue is every product will have some negativity too it
 

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