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[Perth Red]

AFL announces massive new $2.5 BILLION broadcast rights deal

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan (pictured) announced the landmark new broadcast deal worth more than $2.5 billion in Melbourne. Most games will be broadcast on Rupert Murdoch's Foxtel.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Remember that ?

afl claiming 410 million pa yet the nine deal was a good one

That was 2017 deal lol, we are talking 2013 deals.

 

[flippikat]

Perth
South wests brissie
Nz2

Adelaide
Png

then two spots for the rest

two conferences

home and away in each conference
Top five finals system for each conference

Super Bowl type grand final

As nice & feel-good as it would be, I have doubts about the viability of a PNG NRL team - frankly from a financial view it'd need a lot of subsidizing & even then security and the ability to sign and (more importantly) keep decent talent is questionable.

I stand by my original comment.

The big question is whether we stop at 22 (adding Perth, NZ2, Brisbane 3 & Adelaide plus one more)... or go beyond that.

That's assuming there's no relocations/rationalization of Sydney to allow expansion without growing the number of teams.

 

[Perth Red]

Each new club is going to cost $17-20million when you include payments NRL is now making for NRLW and reserve grade sides. Add in existing clubs expecting more money each TV deal and you've got to find a pretty large uplift in tv deals each time just to cover the addition of new clubs. Probably in the range of $60-100million a year uplift at current prices.
At some point you also realistically lose the stand alone tv spots for covering games. Id be happy to see 22 clubs before I shuffle off this mortal coil but given our track record of expansion its hard to see within the next 30 years.

 

[Wb1234]

Each new club is going to cost $17-20million when you include payments NRL is now making for NRLW and reserve grade sides. Add in existing clubs expecting more money each TV deal and you've got to find a pretty large uplift in tv deals each time just to cover the addition of new clubs. Probably in the range of $60-100million a year uplift at current prices.
At some point you also realistically lose the stand alone tv spots for covering games. Id be happy to see 22 clubs before I shuffle off this mortal coil but given our track record of expansion its hard to see within the next 30 years.

Tv deals will be 1 billion a year one day

time wise we might all be dead for 24 teams

20 teams in ten years is the best case scenario From here but more like 15

 

[Wb1234]

Because Ch9 offered $185million! That was a massive amount back in 2012 and way above anything any FTA deal had come close to. He'd have been nuts not to take it.

Fcxk Fox, theyd screwed the game enough, time for some of their own medicine. Like I said we could have used this moment in time to set out a new relationship, but no we went back to playing the sissy and caved in to them, which has set us up for the last decade of sht deals.

A $185mill Ch9 and $80mill Fox deal would have finally set our stall out and moved us ahead of AFL. Instead a decade later we slip even further behind. One of those sliding doors moments for the game for sure.

Almost half afl

yeh brilliant

 

[Perth Red]

Almost half afl

yeh brilliant

Mate Ive told you you've looked at the wrong TV deal! youve picked up the AFl amount for the 2018-2022 tv deal lol! Smith had already delivered $185mill JUST in FTA rights! Sacking him and bending over to Fox literally only delivered $20mill more than he had already got in the bank from Ch9!!
Second dumbest TV rights move ever, only bettered by Vlandys in recent times.

2013 deal by the numbers (australian tv rights)

AFL
Fox $106.9mill + $17mill
Ch7 $85mill + $10mill
Total $219.6mill a year

NRL
Fox $100mill+$10mill
Ch9 $85mill+$10mill
Total $205mill a year

 

[Wb1234]

Mate Ive told you you've looked at the wrong TV deal! youve picked up the AFl amount for the 2018-2022 tv deal lol! Smith had already delivered $185mill JUST in FTA rights! Sacking him and bending over to Fox literally only delivered $20mill more than he had already got in the bank from Ch9!!
Second dumbest TV rights move ever, only bettered by Vlandys in recent times.

2013 deal by the numbers (australian tv rights)

AFL
Fox $106.9mill + $17mill
Ch7 $85mill + $10mill
Total $219.6mill a year

NRL
Fox $100mill+$10mill
Ch9 $85mill+$10mill
Total $205mill a year

It literally says in the article Murdoch saying he preferred afl to rugby league

the article even mentions afl maybe getting extra out of spite for what smith did

 

[Perth Red]

It literally says in the article Murdoch saying he preferred afl to rugby league

the article even mentions afl maybe getting extra out of spite for what smith did

bluster and balls. You honestly think Fox would have walked away from NRL for $50mill a year? If thats all we got out of them we would still have beaten AFL for the first and only time in tv rights!
You can see by my numbers at the end of day fox paid roughly same for both codes. It was all BS to put pressure on NRL and get rid of Smith who they knew they couldnt bully. And it worked. Smith was ceo of Lloyds international with 1500 staff and dealing with $50billion of asset investments. News Ltd knew they couldnt control him.
Same as Ch9 did to Greenberg nearly a decade later. We dont learn!

 

[Wb1234]

bluster and balls. You honestly think Fox would have walked away from NRL for $50mill a year? If thats all we got out of them we would still have beaten AFL for the first and only time in tv rights!
You can see by my numbers at the end of day fox paid roughly same for both codes. It was all BS to put pressure on NRL and get rid of Smith who they knew they couldnt bully. And it worked. Smith was ceo of Lloyds international with 1500 staff and dealing with $50billion of asset investments. News Ltd knew they couldnt control him.
Same as Ch9 did to Greenberg nearly a decade later. We dont learn!

It’s funny you defending smith for doing what you critisise vlandys of … except smith did far worse

just because he had a nice cv and he tucks in his shirt whilst old Pete doesn’t

 

[Perth Red]

It’s funny you defending smith for doing what you critisise vlandys of … except smith did far worse

just because he had a nice cv and he tucks in his shirt whilst old Pete doesn’t

Like how was it worse? Smith didnt go to market and landed a FTA deal DOUBLE the previous one and way beyond what AFL achieved.
Vlandys didnt go to market and we ended up with $150mill cash a year less than AFL. The two arent remotely comparable.

$185million from Ch9. Let that sink in for a moment. Now think about the fact we only ended up with $205mill anyway. Yeh sacking him really made a difference!

No because he was a highly successful senior business leader who had a track history of growing companies and made the right noises about where the game needed to go. He might have turned out to be as big a cabbage as the others but what he did do was pretty successful (memberships, FTA deal, banning shoulder charge and punching, first time we saw a strat plan for NRl, first time we got real visibility of NRl financial performance etc)

 

[Wb1234]

Like how was it worse? Smith didnt go to market and landed a FTA deal DOUBLE the previous one and way beyond what AFL achieved.
Vlandys didnt go to market and we ended up with $150mill cash a year less than AFL. The two arent remotely comparable.

$185million from Ch9. Let that sink in for a moment. Now think about the fact we only ended up with $205mill anyway. Yeh sacking him really made a difference!

No because he was a highly successful senior business leader who had a track history of growing companies and made the right noises about where the game needed to go. He might have turned out to be as big a cabbage as the others but what he did do was pretty successful (memberships, FTA deal, banning shoulder charge and punching, first time we saw a strat plan for NRl, first time we got real visibility of NRl financial performance etc)

He might’ve grown banks

he totally messed up rugby league

 

[Perth Red]

He might’ve grown banks

he totally messed up rugby league

you missed "in my opinion" off the end of your sentence.

Sticking to tv deals given the thread we are in, how was getting DOUBLE from FTA and an unprecedented amount of $185million (a figure we are still light years away from today from FTA) messing it up?

 

[Wb1234]

you missed "in my opinion" off the end of your sentence.

Sticking to tv deals given the thread we are in, how was getting DOUBLE from FTA and an unprecedented amount of $185million (a figure we are still light years away from today from FTA) messing it up?

Alienating foxtel was a genius move

genius

 

[The_Wookie]

Like how was it worse? Smith didnt go to market and landed a FTA deal DOUBLE the previous one and way beyond what AFL achieved.
Vlandys didnt go to market and we ended up with $150mill cash a year less than AFL. The two arent remotely comparable.

$185million from Ch9. Let that sink in for a moment. Now think about the fact we only ended up with $205mill anyway. Yeh sacking him really made a difference!

No because he was a highly successful senior business leader who had a track history of growing companies and made the right noises about where the game needed to go. He might have turned out to be as big a cabbage as the others but what he did do was pretty successful (memberships, FTA deal, banning shoulder charge and punching, first time we saw a strat plan for NRl, first time we got real visibility of NRl financial performance etc)

The problem is Smith miscalculated a) the interest from anywhere else and b) the impact that pissing off the other major broadcaster would have. its a nice idea to try and free yourself from the shackles of the duopoly system youve had for years, but when it back fires on you that has to be owned too.

Vlandys MAY have erred by extending for too long,

Im not sure that Smith takes all the credit for the stuff that began with the governance changes that formed the ARLC either.

 

[Wb1234]

The problem is Smith miscalculated a) the interest from anywhere else and b) the impact that pissing off the other major broadcaster would have. its a nice idea to try and free yourself from the shackles of the duopoly system youve had for years, but when it back fires on you that has to be owned too.

Vlandys MAY have erred by extending for too long,

Im not sure that Smith takes all the credit for the stuff that began with the governance changes that formed the ARLC either.

He got totally swindled by gyngall

 

[Pneuma]

The problem is Smith miscalculated a) the interest from anywhere else and b) the impact that pissing off the other major broadcaster would have. its a nice idea to try and free yourself from the shackles of the duopoly system youve had for years, but when it back fires on you that has to be owned too.

Vlandys MAY have erred by extending for too long,

Im not sure that Smith takes all the credit for the stuff that began with the governance changes that formed the ARLC either.

He loves smith because he said nice things about Perth.
As I’ve said before, I think Smith could see the games potential. He just lacked the support to implement a raft of good ideas.

 

[Wb1234]

He loves smith because he said nice things about Perth.
As I’ve said before, I think Smith could see the games potential. He just lacked the support to implement a raft of good ideas.

Talk is cheap

 

[Perth Red]

He got totally swindled by gyngall

haha he got them to agree to pay DOUBLE, $185million a year. If thats swindled you can fiddle me any day of the week.

Alienating foxtel was a genius move

genius

f**k fox, they screwed us anyway and continue to do so. They couldn't afford to walk away from NRL. Smith knew it, we all know it. Why we keep letting them stiff us is anyone's guess.

You honestly think in 2013 Fox would have dropped NRL? get off the crack!

 

[Perth Red]

The problem is Smith miscalculated a) the interest from anywhere else and b) the impact that pissing off the other major broadcaster would have. its a nice idea to try and free yourself from the shackles of the duopoly system youve had for years, but when it back fires on you that has to be owned too.

Vlandys MAY have erred by extending for too long,

Im not sure that Smith takes all the credit for the stuff that began with the governance changes that formed the ARLC either.

Did he? or was the FTA offer so good that it was worth that risk? like I said the deal only ended up $205mill in total. He had already got $185mill locked away in the bank from just FTA. We only needed to get Fox, pssed off or not, to stump up HALF what they ended up paying and we'd have been 25% ahead in the total deal. It was the best chance we had of overtaking AFL in tv deals.
Fox cant afford to walk away from NRL. The sooner we learn this fact the better off the game will be!

 

[docbrown]

The problem is Smith miscalculated a) the interest from anywhere else and b) the impact that pissing off the other major broadcaster would have. its a nice idea to try and free yourself from the shackles of the duopoly system youve had for years, but when it back fires on you that has to be owned too.

Vlandys MAY have erred by extending for too long,

Im not sure that Smith takes all the credit for the stuff that began with the governance changes that formed the ARLC either.

Murdoch is a ruthless bastard but the question is how long do you let the guy walk over you? Smith knew there was real interest from elsewhere but 10’s package failed because some higher ups got cold feet, allegedly due to the influence of Satan Jnr. They shat themselves that they’d have to go back to deal with Foxtel in Round 2 and get a lowball bid.

But it’s a whole new ballgame with Paramount Global involved with 10 now, so who knows the future. You’ve now got F2A and Subscription as one bidder. That dependency on Foxtel to do the subscription part is no longer there. And it should be obvious to anyone that if 10 fails to obtain a major sport in the next decade, they won’t have a future.

As for Vlandys and Covid, I mean who in 2018 would have predicted the world would basically shut down two years later? You’re now a sports league boss basing your business model of a vaccine rollout which is out of your control. We’re all smart in hindsight but I cut him some slack there.