Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Iamback]

Which is why I don’t think we should limit the number of teams in the nrl as long as we keep growing

problem is I can’t think of 24 good teams lol

central coast bears or a pacific team for team number 24

Population will decide that. That is 20 years atleast down the track

 

[Iamback]

Every time the usual whiners on here like to complain that the NRL is getting ripped off I and a few others point out that AFL games are much longer and overall they provide more content only to get lambasted every time. Are we finally acknowledging that this is a big part of why the AFL tends to get more than us?

Nope the same suspects are still banging on about the NRL's bad deal

 

[Pneuma]

Nope the same suspects are still banging on about the NRL's bad deal

Amen

 

[Perth Red]

He’s been told over &over on here by many
It’s not an apples v apples comparison .
a sport that has far more on airtime per week( a lot of advertising can go in 11 hrs ) is going to get more .
It’s simple . Well for most it is

Funny because forever we’ve been told tv shows with the biggest audiences attract biggest advertising $’s.
Its why golf, cricket etc dont draw anything like the tv deals of a 90min sport like football or nrl. Then we should just ignore that ptv revenue is from subscribers and that nrl rates much higher on fox ergo must have more subscribers? Sounds like you’re scrambling around trying to find excuses.

the fact the afl has done a much better job expanding so they have nine games to sell across representative teams in the 5 metro cities is just another example of how further ahead they are than us.

so let’s say the extra content in worth 20% more because of that, fair enough, so how come 2025 the tv deals are in the region of 40-50% apart Cash value?

 

[Perth Red]

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I remember avidly reading his posts when Dave smith was negotiating our tv deal and thinking this guy is a gun (doc not smith lol)

Dave smith got sold such a lemon channel nine obliterated him

ironically Dave smith was the only leader to have landed a decent fta deal - $185million. He had fox over a barrel, they knew it, they got him sacked. Not unlike Greenberg who advised Vlandys not to extend during covid and was subsequently sacked. Pattern emerging here? Hmmmm

 

[Iamback]

Funny because forever we’ve been told tv shows with the biggest audiences attract biggest advertising $’s.
Its why golf, cricket etc dont draw anything like the tv deals of a 90min sport like football or nrl. Then we should just ignore that ptv revenue is from subscribers and that nrl rates much higher on fox ergo must have more subscribers? Sounds like you’re scrambling around trying to find excuses.

the fact the afl has done a much better job expanding so they have nine games to sell across representative teams in the 5 metro cities is just another example of how further ahead they are than us.

so let’s say the extra content in worth 20% more because of that, fair enough, so how come 2025 the tv deals are in the region of 40-50% apart Cash value?

Cricket gets $200m for about 5 weeks work, even less if it rains.

Golf has so many tournaments it splits its viewership

No one knows the TV deal let alone the cash component

 

[Canard]

Then TV will die in this country.

The issue is every product will have some negativity too it

People said that when they banned advertising gaspers.

Corporations find a way to make money.

Gambling advertisements have about 2 to 3 years left max. And frankly it's their own fault, they saturated TV coverage with ads and things like showing updated odds after a try or goal was kicked is over the top.

 

[Wb1234]

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ironically Dave smith was the only leader to have landed a decent fta deal - $185million. He had fox over a barrel, they knew it, they got him sacked. Not unlike Greenberg who advised Vlandys not to extend during covid and was subsequently sacked. Pattern emerging here? Hmmmm

It reduced if they had to stream games with foxtel and it involved nine getting an extra game which they sold back to foxtel for more than they paid for it

gyngall knew he was inexperienced and took advantage of him

he ticked off Murdoch so much they gave afl an extra 100 million pa and said it was always their preferred sport

 

[Pneuma]

It reduced if they had to stream games with foxtel and it involved nine getting an extra game which they sold back to foxtel for more than they paid for it

gyngall knew he was inexperienced and took advantage of him

he ticked off Murdoch so much they gave afl an extra 100 million pa and said it was always their preferred sport

It’s all ancient history now anyway. I think smith was right to take them on. Fact is he got no support. He was either set up or the commission just didn’t have the guts to support him. I think it’s the latter. Either way V’landys will prevail this time round.

 

[Wb1234]

It’s all ancient history now anyway. I think smith was right to take them on. Fact is he got no support. He was either set up or the commission just didn’t have the guts to support him. I think it’s the latter. Either way V’landys will prevail this time round.

If your going to take foxtel on make sure you have a plan b

afl has so much money now bc of him

he should’ve made conditions about not being able to sell the sat game back to foxtel

nine ended up getting the league very cheaply as they sold off the sat game and then got a reduction due to streaming

it made no sense taking that deal from nine

 

[Iamback]

People said that when they banned advertising gaspers.

Corporations find a way to make money.

Gambling advertisements have about 2 to 3 years left max. And frankly it's their own fault, they saturated TV coverage with ads and things like showing updated odds after a try or goal was kicked is over the top.

Gambling is a past time for most, something like that would never pass

 

[Canard]

Gambling is a past time for most, something like that would never pass

I think you are conflating gambling advertising with the act of gambling itself.

Gambling, in some form, will go on just like ciggies, but curbing the advertisement is likely.

 

[Perth Red]

It reduced if they had to stream games with foxtel and it involved nine getting an extra game which they sold back to foxtel for more than they paid for it

gyngall knew he was inexperienced and took advantage of him

he ticked off Murdoch so much they gave afl an extra 100 million pa and said it was always their preferred sport

haha thats bollox. There was no way AFL was getting a total of $316mill before Smith pssed of Murdoch.

What Smith did do and this is the only FACT we know is he delivered a FTA deal that was worth $185million to the NRL. He was never given the chance to work over News Ltd so we will never know what that outcome would have been. The FTA deal was then reduced to just $125mill after he was sacked and we bent over to News ltd again. And is no better this deal.

Only part of the FTA deal I think he got wrong was the Saturday night. That should have been locked in for FTA, its still a poor outcome 3 TV deals later that we dont have NRL on a Saturday night to the masses.

 

[Wb1234]

haha thats bollox. There was no way AFL was getting a total of $316mill before Smith pssed of Murdoch.

What Smith did do and this is the only FACT we know is he delivered a FTA deal that was worth $185million to the NRL. He was never given the chance to work over News Ltd so we will never know what that outcome would have been. The FTA deal was then reduced to just $125mill after he was sacked and we bent over to News ltd again. And is no better this deal.

Only part of the FTA deal I think he got wrong was the Saturday night. That should have been locked in for FTA, its still a poor outcome 3 TV deals later that we dont have NRL on a Saturday night to the masses.

Nine didn’t pay 185 million

he sold nine an extra game and it was for no sharing of games with foxtel

can’t compare to current deals

 

[Perth Red]

Nine didn’t pay 185 million

he sold nine an extra game and it was for no sharing of games with foxtel

can’t compare to current deals

That was the deal. NRL was going to receive $185mill from Nine (DOUBLE the previous payment). Sure nine was going to recoup some of that back from on-selling but as far as NRL goes the revenue from Nine would have been $185mill a year. It only ended up being $205mil a year total. He literally only had to get more than $20mill a year from Fox and we would have been ahead!!

He should have been given the chance to then have a go at Fox. If he ended up delivering less than the deal we ended up with $205mill from ch9/Fox, fair enough we would have rightfully denigrated him but he wasnt given that shot. And lets be honest they were never going to sell the rights to Fox for less than $20million!!

It was literally our best chance to move ahead of AFL in TV rights. We went from $185 mill just Ch9 to $85mill channel nine $120mill Fox. We got well and truly screwed, again! This was out first year of independence from News Ltd and we should have used it to lay down a new future. Instead we fell back to our old ways and let them dictate to us.
Fats forward a decade and we then did the same again with Ch9 ousting Greenberg because he didnt want the NRL to sign the sht deal Vlandys signed on to.

2013 deal by the numbers (australian tv rights)

AFL
Fox $106.9mill + $17mill
Ch7 $85mill + $10mill
Total $219.6mill a year

NRL
Fox $100mill+$10mill
Ch9 $85mill+$10mill
Total $205mill a year

You can see where sticking with Smith would have got us! We gave away $100mill a year from Ch9 to get around $30mill back from Fox!
A massive missed opportunity only surpassed by Vlandys extending the tv deal during covid and missing out on hundreds of millions of $'s!

 

[Wb1234]

That was the deal. NRL was going to receive $185mill from Nine (DOUBLE the previous payment). Sure nine was going to recoup some of that back from on-selling but as far as NRL goes the revenue from Nine would have been $185mill a year. It only ended up being $205mil a year total. He literally only had to get more than $20mill a year from Fox and we would have been ahead!!

He should have been given the chance to then have a go at Fox. If he ended up delivering less than the deal we ended up with $205mill from ch9/Fox, fair enough we would have rightfully denigrated him but he wasnt given that shot. And lets be honest they were never going to sell the rights to Fox for less than $20million!!

It was literally our best chance to move ahead of AFL in TV rights. We went from $185 mill just Ch9 to $85mill channel nine $120mill Fox. We got well and truly screwed, again!

2013 deal by the numbers (australian tv rights)

AFL
Fox $106.9mill + $17mill
Ch7 $85mill + $10mill
Total $219.6mill a year

NRL
Fox $100mill+$10mill
Ch9 $85mill+$10mill
Total $205mill a year

You can see where sticking with Smith would have got us! A massive missed opportunity only surpassed by Vlandys extending the tv deal during covid and missing out on hundered of millions of $'s!

He did have a go replacing fox

nobody was interested

then we had to go back begging after sacking him and getting shafted

 

[Perth Red]

He did have a go replacing fox

nobody was interested

then we had to go back begging after sacking him and getting shafted

We only needed more than $20mill from Fox or someone else to have been ahead! Its ridiculous to think Fox would have let NRL go. He knew it, our leaders were weak as pss and caved when Murdoch did his infamous presser. Smith was a CEO of a $50billion company, he knew business dealings!

 

[Wb1234]

We only needed more than $20mill from Fox or someone else to have been ahead! Its ridiculous to think Fox would have let NRL go. He knew it, our leaders were weak as pss and caved when Murdoch did his infamous presser.

Why annoy them with no other bidders ?

he got in a pissing contest with them and he lost

without discussion he axed Monday night footy, gave nine an exclusive Saturday game and did the deal with nine behind fox back

Nine are no friends of the game

as much as I hate foxtel they pay as better than nine does

nine has exclusive origin

 

[Wb1234]

We only needed more than $20mill from Fox or someone else to have been ahead! Its ridiculous to think Fox would have let NRL go. He knew it, our leaders were weak as pss and caved when Murdoch did his infamous presser. Smith was a CEO of a $50billion company, he knew business dealings!

AFL announces massive new $2.5 BILLION broadcast rights deal

AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan (pictured) announced the landmark new broadcast deal worth more than $2.5 billion in Melbourne. Most games will be broadcast on Rupert Murdoch's Foxtel.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Remember that ?

afl claiming 410 million pa yet the nine deal was a good one

 

[Perth Red]

Why annoy them with no other bidders ?

he got in a pissing contest with them and he lost

without discussion he axed Monday night footy, gave nine an exclusive Saturday game and did the deal with nine behind fox back

Nine are no friends of the game

as much as I hate foxtel they pay as better than nine does

nine has exclusive origin

Because Ch9 offered $185million! That was a massive amount back in 2012 and way above anything any FTA deal had come close to. He'd have been nuts not to take it.

Fcxk Fox, theyd screwed the game enough, time for some of their own medicine. Like I said we could have used this moment in time to set out a new relationship, but no we went back to playing the sissy and caved in to them, which has set us up for the last decade of sht deals.

A $185mill Ch9 and $80mill Fox deal would have finally set our stall out and moved us ahead of AFL. Instead a decade later we slip even further behind. One of those sliding doors moments for the game for sure.