Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

Hah you gonk. You do realise “licensing” includes betting revenue, merch sales and digital revenue as well as media deal don’t you?

in reality it’s around $289+$23 mill = $314mill cash nrl media
v $409afl media
sigh

So this is you when you are happy is it

I can see the difference

 

[The_Wookie]

Bla Bla

Bla Bla Bla- Not so, deals were reworked OR didn't you know... Something about Covid 19 if I am not mistaken. So with the extra from Fox we beat the AFL.

I like to take on Perth Red as much as the next man, but on this one hes kinda right.

There is no direct comparison broadcast revenue wise as the NRL licensing revenues include all sorts of fun things not connected to the broadcast deals, that the AFL files under Commercial income. What these are not clearly defined - but licensing is generally anything licensed by the NRL to use its IP - logos, names, footage, imagery, and other content.

 

[Perth Red]

But you said $84 ,million on betting alone, OR cant you read what YOU wrote...
Quote. Perth Red
In 2019, before figures got hidden the equivalent licensing line included
$84mill betting." End of quote ,

You still have referenced the $84 million.....

Then I went and took a second look and realised it was wagering AND sponsorship included in that $84mill in 2019.
I then looked bit more and found that wagering revenue in 2021 for nrl was $40mill.

so out of the licensing line you can take out at least $40mill wagering and $12mill merch licensing if you want to get a picture of what nrl media revenue is.

 

[Perth Red]

I like to take on Perth Red as much as the next man, but on this one hes kinda right.

There is no direct comparison broadcast revenue wise as the NRL licensing revenues include all sorts of fun things not connected to the broadcast deals, that the AFL files under Commercial income. What these are not clearly defined - but licensing is generally anything licensed by the NRL to use its IP - logos, names, footage, imagery, and other content.

Can’t be held accountable if no one can see the figures! Vlandys burying them for no good reason other than so stakeholders can’t see what’s happening.

from the annual report

O) REVENUE
• Licensing which includes Media, Wagering, product fees and Merchandise Royalties;

 

[Iamback]

I like to take on Perth Red as much as the next man, but on this one hes kinda right.

There is no direct comparison broadcast revenue wise as the NRL licensing revenues include all sorts of fun things not connected to the broadcast deals, that the AFL files under Commercial income. What these are not clearly defined - but licensing is generally anything licensed by the NRL to use its IP - logos, names, footage, imagery, and other content.

Yet he is certain he knows the TV Deal

 

[Perth Red]

Yet he is certain he knows the TV Deal

It’s not hard to make informed opinions and educated guesses If you look at the evidence

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

It’s not hard to make informed opinions and educated guesses If you look at the evidence

evidence ..lol
your AFL bias says a guesstimate is evidence.
whatever comes outa Gil’s mouth is evidence.

lol lol lol

 

[Wb1234]

Nrl is in the box seat now

the dolphins alone will be worth a big bump in the rights

with an extra team to add plus other bits and pieces we should be getting 550 million pa

At a push 600 million

down the track two extra teams and we will be cracking 1 billion a season

afl should enjoy what little time it has left in the limelight

 

[Perth Red]

20 teams and open process with 3 bidders, maybe.

 

[colly]

A

Well who won the media regarding NRL and AFL, ie PayTV, Free To Air ( FTA) TV in the last year ie 2022 that's just passed. I cant be bothered to explain each 'Comps' deals in detail but to put the extraordinary fact that NRL, the Nation Rugby League WON in all categories media deal. Most definable on total amount, the NRL won and FTA and by logical deduction in the pay TV area as well.
So Perth Red must have Chicken Egg Farm 'all over his face'. So the RL fan can have bragging rights for the year 2022 that's just passed, the NRL won the media deals conclusively. But watch throw red herrings, object to this and carry one, as they say 'You cant fix stupid'. But to could redeem yourself Mt Red by just saying this is true and correct. We WON!!! say it?

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/nrl-gen22_7113-annual-report-2022_lr.pdf

Page 70

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2023/03/03/a2ac5fc4-1ce6-4a12-85e6-9d398a960142/2022-AFL_AR_Digital-Doc_150dpi_Low.pdf

Page 82

Revenue NRL
Licensing $409 million dollars for 2022

Revenue AFL
Broadcast AND AFL Media $396 Million dollars for 2022

And please tell how the AFL license 'jumpers and Betting operators As well as the big Media companies like Seven Tv which ARE licensed to broadcast the AFL. It would be accounting tick not to have the ALL license sales in the media column for the NRL and AFL. So under that description of events ie licensing we win.

By the way, what I reported ie last years financial figures were the amounts of last year on the 2018-2022 contract.
This year's deal, was reported to be a record amount of our new deal. ie 2023- to 2027

So having a win in our last year of our deal AND our next deal stars NOW. I bet this deal beats the AFL so can't Wait for annual reports for this year.....Late next year ie 2024
In late 2024, around 18 months away, we should start negotiations on our next deal.
Good times ahead...
I bet we win next year also....

 

[Perth Red]

A

And please tell how the AFL license 'jumpers and Betting operators As well as the big Media companies like Seven Tv which ARE licensed to broadcast the AFL. It would be accounting tick not to have the ALL license sales in the media column for the NRL and AFL. So under that description of events ie licensing we win.

By the way, what I reported ie last years financial figures were the amounts of last year on the 2018-2022 contract.
This year deal when we reported a record amount of our new deal.

So having a win in our last year of our deal AND our next deal stars NOW. I bet this deal beats the AFL so can't Wait for annual reports for this year.....Late next year ie 2024
In late 2024, around 18 months away, we should start negotiations on our next deal.
Good times ahead...

Thats not media, AFL clearly specifies the line item as media revenue lol
We never did either until Vlandys took over and chose to hide the media figure by wrapping other non related stuff into "licensing'

No idea what you're talking about in that second paragraph?

Keep telling yourself that lol.
Thats why there's a near $300mill revenue gap between the codes in 2022!
Im sure by 2025 we'll close that gap given our tv deal wil be $402mill and theres will be $550mill.

 

[colly]

Now wer

Thats not media, AFL clearly specifies the line item as media revenue lol
We never did either until Vlandys took over and chose to hide the media figure by wrapping other non related stuff into "licensing'

No idea what you're talking about in that second paragraph?

Keep telling yourself that lol.
Thats why there's a near $300mill revenue gap between the codes in 2022!
Im sure by 2025 we'll close that gap given our tv deal wil be $402mill and theres will be $550mill.

Now we are on to other stuff outside media deals WHICH by the way are always. Licensed. The contract is always stipulated to allow (licensed to show/broadcast games) I sorry you have problems with understanding how 'media deals' are accomplished in both the AFL and NRL. They both the same, licensing for AFL and NRL and this is the subject of discussion ie Media deals, (only)- as the thread says. I'm sorry that NRL beat your shoddy arsed attempt at fudging the figures or going off topic, but that's expected of you. These are annual reports.

 

[The_Wookie]

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And please tell how the AFL license 'jumpers and Betting operators As well as the big Media companies like Seven Tv which ARE licensed to broadcast the AFL. It would be accounting tick not to have the ALL license sales in the media column for the NRL and AFL. So under that description of events ie licensing we win.

The AFL doesnt list them as Licensing revenue, its specifically Broadcast and AFL Media - and by AFL media it means the AFLs digital arm, not media in general - and it doesnt make sense at all to include them when they fall under the broader Commercial revenue category.





All the rest is under Commercial Revenues.

By the way, what I reported ie last years financial figures were the amounts of last year on the 2018-2022 contract.
This year's deal, was reported to be a record amount of our new deal. ie 2023- to 2027

The AFLs goes up this year too. And is also a record - that amount reported at 476m per year through 2024.. The NRL reported at "400m+ pa".

So having a win in our last year of our deal AND our next deal stars NOW. I bet this deal beats the AFL so can't Wait for annual reports for this year.....Late next year ie 2024

I bet it doesnt. And you wont know anyway, because the NRL doesnt report broadcast revenue, Vlandys doesnt want the competition knowing anything - hes said as much. Its not convenient from our perspective, but they arent doing anything wrong by providing a simple report.

 

[The_Wookie]

Now wer

Now we are on to other stuff outside media deals WHICH by the way are always. Licensed. The contract is always stipulated to allow (licensed to show/broadcast games) I sorry you have problems with understanding how 'media deals' are accomplished in both the AFL and NRL. They both the same, licensing for AFL and NRL and this is the subject of discussion ie Media deals, (only)- as the thread says. I'm sorry that NRL beat your shoddy arsed attempt at fudging the figures or going off topic, but that's expected of you. These are annual reports.

Dude you are flat out wrong.

 

[Perth Red]

Now wer

Now we are on to other stuff outside media deals WHICH by the way are always. Licensed. The contract is always stipulated to allow (licensed to show/broadcast games) I sorry you have problems with understanding how 'media deals' are accomplished in both the AFL and NRL. They both the same, licensing for AFL and NRL and this is the subject of discussion ie Media deals, (only)- as the thread says. I'm sorry that NRL beat your shoddy arsed attempt at fudging the figures or going off topic, but that's expected of you. These are annual reports.

haha you're so wrong but keep digging that hole! AFL clearly states its broadcasting and afl media. Not wagering, not merch licensing just Media, which is tv, radio and digital revenue.

 

[Iamback]

The $476m for AFL includes Telstra money too so even that can't be used in comparisons

 

[Wb1234]

Now wer

Now we are on to other stuff outside media deals WHICH by the way are always. Licensed. The contract is always stipulated to allow (licensed to show/broadcast games) I sorry you have problems with understanding how 'media deals' are accomplished in both the AFL and NRL. They both the same, licensing for AFL and NRL and this is the subject of discussion ie Media deals, (only)- as the thread says. I'm sorry that NRL beat your shoddy arsed attempt at fudging the figures or going off topic, but that's expected of you. These are annual reports.

Perth red is happy to include Telstra in the afl deal

lmao

 

[The_Wookie]

The $476m for AFL includes Telstra money too so even that can't be used in comparisons

Of course it can, it was literally announced incorporated in the AFLs media rights deal. That Telstra wasnt part of your media deal isnt my problem.

But if it helps you sleep, and in the absence of any specific figures for Fox in either code. the AFL media and telstra deals go up to 476m + 18.5m a year for Toyotas naming rights + whatever NAB are paying for AFLW naming rights....while the NRLs is reported at "over 400m pa" + 15m pa for Telstra (inclusive of naming rights for both NRL and NRLW) + whatever AMPOL pay for Origin naming rights.

There thats not at all confusing. lol.

 

[Perth Red]

The $476m for AFL includes Telstra money too so even that can't be used in comparisons

Perth red is happy to include Telstra in the afl deal

lmao

I've kept the estimated digital revenue in the nrl figures, so yes it can lol

NRl Licensing (tv, radio, digital, wagering, merch licensing) $410mill
minus $40mill wagering
minus $12 mill merch

NRL TV, radio and digital = $358mill cash

AFL tv radio and digital = $396.5mill cash

 

[colly]

haha you're so wrong but keep digging that hole! AFL clearly states its broadcasting and afl media. Not wagering, not merch licensing just Media, which is tv, radio and digital revenue.

Please

I've kept the estimated digital revenue in the nrl figures, so yes it can lol

NRl Licensing (tv, radio, digital, wagering, merch licensing) $410mill
minus $40mill wagering
minus $12 mill merch

NRL TV, radio and digital = $358mill cash

AFL tv radio and digital = $396.5mill cash

show me where you get $40 million for the year in betting, somewhere in the past you had a figure of $82 m - which you now is incorrect, so show me how you arrive at $40m for the year 2022, like a proper source .?