Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Canard]

Hardly some hot take. Ten has been going broke in one way or another since its inception.

Elliot who is employed by Channel 9 (3AW is owned by 9) is not really an impartial observer.

The line about ratings decline for their shitty commercial news program, seems to ignore all FTA ratings decline.

Without sport, I don't watch any FTA.

 

[Canard]

English SL on FTA

https://x.com/stevenbirchall/status/1757862319969947921?s=20

Although the claim it is on FTA for the first time is odd. It was definitely on Channel 9 before.

 

[Iamback]

Hardly some hot take. Ten has been going broke in one way or another since its inception.

Elliot who is employed by Channel 9 (3AW is owned by 9) is not really an impartial observer.

The line about ratings decline for their shitty commercial news program, seems to ignore all FTA ratings decline.

Without sport, I don't watch any FTA.

Ch7 had a decline in profits
Fox didn't bid for the NBA
Paramount laid off 800 people

So around the world TV is struggling, So it is more than just ch10 having issues

 

[The_Wookie]

Ch7 had a decline in profits
Fox didn't bid for the NBA
Paramount laid off 800 people

So around the world TV is struggling, So it is more than just ch10 having issues

Paramount is losing money too....just not as fast as people expected.

Note as well the new joint SUPER streaming initiative in the US from ESPN/ Fox/Warner Bros, that sports bodies suspect of being used to jointly bid for things and save them money down the track. These three control about 55% of US Sports rights.

Australia has Kayo, now TV giants to launch US sports streaming

ESPN, FOX and Warner Bros. Discovery have announced a JV streaming business for the sports that the three companies have the rights to.

www.mediaweek.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

He is right but some experts on here thought NRL should of gone there

haha a ch9 employee has a 'funny feeling' about ch10. Very scientific.

 

[Iamback]

Paramount is losing money too....just not as fast as people expected.

Note as well the new joint SUPER streaming initiative in the US from ESPN/ Fox/Warner Bros, that sports bodies suspect of being used to jointly bid for things and save them money down the track. These three control about 55% of US Sports rights.

Australia has Kayo, now TV giants to launch US sports streaming

ESPN, FOX and Warner Bros. Discovery have announced a JV streaming business for the sports that the three companies have the rights to.

www.mediaweek.com.au

Amazon is also added paid tiers to Prime.

I heard about that. Hopefully we get some of content flow to Kayo particularly as we can't get ESPN+ here

It shows that no one is above the troubles

 

[Iamback]

haha a ch9 employee has a 'funny feeling' about ch10. Very scientific.

They were placed in Administration in 2017, Now their owner has said job cuts are coming... So it is more than another network making trouble

 

[Perth Red]

They were placed in Administration in 2017, Now their owner has said job cuts are coming... So it is more than another network making trouble

Ch10 need a major sport, thats great news for us. If only they had been allowed to bid in 2021. $150million a year is small investment for how it would transform 10's fortunes.

 

[Perth Red]

Amazon is also added paid tiers to Prime.

I heard about that. Hopefully we get some of content flow to Kayo particularly as we can't get ESPN+ here

It shows that no one is above the troubles

introducing adverts to streaming sucks, but is probably good news for sports rights values.

Theres too many streaming options at moment, some wont make it and others will merge I have no doubts. Thats better for us the consumer. Im already paying 4 streaming subscriptions!

 

[Wb1234]

The arl can afford it
. They almost did this when 10 was in receivership previously

 

[Iamback]

introducing adverts to streaming sucks, but is probably good news for sports rights values.

Theres too many streaming options at moment, some wont make it and others will merge I have no doubts. Thats better for us the consumer. Im already paying 4 streaming subscriptions!

Except in the US they are partnering up which will mean less competition

 

[Perth Red]

Except in the US they are partnering up which will mean less competition

For the consumer it will also mean not having to have 3 different subscriptions to follow the 3 sports you like.

 

[Wb1234]

afl clubs paying for their fans to get free kayo

 

[The_Wookie]

afl clubs paying for their fans to get free kayo

Or its part of their deal with Foxtel. We dont really know who is subsidizing it.

Its an extended digital membership offer. Most AFL clubs have offered them for a while.

 

[Iamback]

afl clubs paying for their fans to get free kayo

Contra

 

[Wb1234]

Contra

It’s one big Ponzi scheme

wonder how many paying afl subscribers there are when the freebies are excluded

foxtel gives free access to afl fans then the afl record that as revenue from their tv deal

 

[The_Wookie]

It’s one big Ponzi scheme

wonder how many paying afl subscribers there are when the freebies are excluded

You understand this isnt free, this is effectively discounted Kayo with a free/discounted membership attached. They pay way more than they need to for a digital membership, and way under what they would if they were just with Kayo.

but foxtel gives free access to afl fans then the afl record that as revenue from their tv deal

You know the NRL gets more contra than the AFL right?

 

[colly]

You understand this isnt free, this is effectively discounted Kayo with a free/discounted membership attached. They pay way more than they need to for a digital membership, and way under what they would if they were just with Kayo.



You know the NRL gets more contra than the AFL right?

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Wookie see the AFL 350m (350,652) what is this amount made up from. Since it is close to the media amount - if you inform me how this amount - I seen to think the biggest amount is ticketing/crowds? Any ideas?

 

[The_Wookie]

Wookie see the AFL 350m (350,652) what is this amount made up from. Since it is close to the media amount - if you inform me how this amount - I seen to think the biggest amount is ticketing/crowds? Any ideas?

No. The AFL hasnt broken down commercial revenue for decades, but sponsorship is pretty big for the league, well over 50m a year.

The Report consolidates AFL Stadia Limited, so Marvel revenue is probably the largest component - it used to be around 70m before the league bought it, and it will be a lot higher now, and Marvel was basically deserted during COVID, hence the big increase in 2022.

Theres also licensing - and no one has any idea what thats worth.
The league also has 65,000 members which will be worth a pretty penny. Finals ticketing would bring in some money - especially a series like last year. The league also gets bonuses for meeting attendance targets at the MCG.

 

[abc]

For the consumer it will also mean not having to have 3 different subscriptions to follow the 3 sports you like.

While the details aren’t fully out on this new service, it doesn’t seem to be a replacement but an option.

So yes it will be a standalone service (possibly priced at $50/mo.) and 1/3 owned by Disney, Discovery Warner, and Fox. However it won’t replace the current individual sports services sold by each of the 3;
- ESPN+ via Disney+
- BR+ via Max [used to be HBO max] (currently is free but will separately up charged soon from main Max subscription)
- Fox Sports offerings (large via cable, Hulu, YouTube TV today)

These cover, according to them, about 55% of US sports coverage today and will have its own management team. However whether it is able to negotiate as a collective with a sporting body remains to be seen.

Both the sporting bodies and the US Government likely would push back hard under guise of lost revenue and existing collusion laws.

This service is essentially what Hulu was when streaming began in US in 2008, owned by Universal, Fox, and Disney originally. Soon to be solely Disney now today.

It seems like they all collectively want to capture the market for ppl solely interested in sports and not their various entertainment properties where the sports bundle is often an up-service. But none of them can do it on their own so joining forces then gives a compelling property to a consumer.

It should be noted Paramount/CBS and Comcast/Universal is not a part of this and so for the US that means some NFL, College Sports, all EPL and Champions League and some other major European Leagues, amongst other sports like the Olympics and WWE plus local blackouts would not be part of this. Nor would major events broadcast on US network TV like the just past Super Bowl.

it is also not dissimilar to Kayo in Aus in breadth of coverage but a very different business and ownership and GTM proposition. The US as a whole is less sports obsessed than Australia (I.e. higher proportion of non and very occasional fans).

Overall it is interesting, and seems to have caught everyone by surprise (all of media, sporting bodies and consumers). So we shall see.