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Next TV rights deal part 2

Are you happy with the new TV deal?


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Super league didn't fail?
Well then why did they have to agree to a hastly put together peace deal with the arl?
Wouldn't it of been cheaper for news ltd to run their own league then it would to have to do deals with the arl? They certainly wouldn't be paying a $1.8b tv deal if they were a success?

Because they got everything the wanted and had no competition from the arl comp. Obviously. They achieved their purpose. They make money off rugby league.
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
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Yes it does, because unlike the NRL, the AFL have a long term 30+ year outlook on grabbing the hearts and minds of the youth. So you say lost $$$, they say $$$ well spent on the future growth of their game.

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Except that they are already behind their 5 year goals for either club. They already spent a ten year budget within the first 5 years. It's only going to keep costing them money.
 

Raiderdave

First Grade
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Yes it does, because unlike the NRL, the AFL have a long term 30+ year outlook on grabbing the hearts and minds of the youth. So you say lost $$$, they say $$$ well spent on the future growth of their game.




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:lol::lol::lol:

:sarcasm:

oh

hes serious


:crazy:
 
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So why, if the super league were doing so much good for the international game, did they merge with the arl, and ditch all their international expansion plans? Why didn't they just keep going it alone?

Because they got what they really wanted all along. How many times does it need saying?
 

Raiderdave

First Grade
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the AFL started their 30 year plan in 1982
&
here we are 33 years later & the telle tubbies still outrate them in NSW & QLD

the bill for this result
1 billion dollars plus

I couldn't find a better definition of pissing money up against the wall !:cool:
 

TheRam

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Except that they are already behind their 5 year goals for either club. They already spent a ten year budget within the first 5 years. It's only going to keep costing them money.

Doesn't matter, they have more money now to keep it all going. Remember this is not a 5 year or even 10 year plan. It is a plan to have your grandchildren waving the AFL flag with passionate love and affection, not for you or even for your children.

How do you make great changes in indoctrinated belief systems or society? One funeral at a time.
 
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Yes it does, because unlike the NRL, the AFL have a long term 30+ year outlook on grabbing the hearts and minds of the youth. So you say lost $$$, they say $$$ well spent on the future growth of their game.




Think of it this way, the powers that be at the AFL, privately could not give a toss if 2 or 3 of their local teams in their heartland struggled or even died. They are heartland heavy, in this regard just like the NRL. I'm even of the opinion, that they may actually welcome a team or two biting the dust.

But either way, it is overall irrelevant to the big picture, they are growing the pie with each year that passes in all frontiers.

We on the other hand are not and just treading water or going backwards as our ratings and attendances has shown this year.

Also, I am not suggesting we go to alien outposts for these new teams. One should be in Brisbane and the other Perth, which may not be a heartland region, but hardly as alien as say Melbourne. They already have significant junior inferstructures in place and I believe would in a fairly short space of time(10 years) eclipse Melbourne's contribution on most levels if not all.

To ignore expansion is totally fool hardy and playing into the Networks and AFL hands and pandering only to our NRL clubs selfish motives.
Don't believe that 30 year thing from the aFL.
They say that just to pacify the fans.
The midgets and thuns are huge black holes for the aFL and them black holes will only get get bigger.
The NRL will expand when the time is right, and when we can afford to.
Heaven forbid we follow the aFL model which empties the aFL coffers.
 

Raiderdave

First Grade
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Doesn't matter, they have more money now to keep it all going. Remember this is not a 5 year or even 10 year plan. It is a plan to have your grandchildren waving the AFL flag with passionate love and affection, not for you or even for your children.

How do you make great changes in indoctrinated belief systems or society? One funeral at a time.


:lol:

yes son

drink the koolaid

drink it down :lol::lol:
 

BlueandGold

Juniors
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Yes it does, because unlike the NRL, the AFL have a long term 30+ year outlook on grabbing the hearts and minds of the youth. So you say lost $$$, they say $$$ well spent on the future growth of their game.




Think of it this way, the powers that be at the AFL, privately could not give a toss if 2 or 3 of their local teams in their heartland struggled or even died. They are heartland heavy, in this regard just like the NRL. I'm even of the opinion, that they may actually welcome a team or two biting the dust.

But either way, it is overall irrelevant to the big picture, they are growing the pie with each year that passes in all frontiers.

We on the other hand are not and just treading water or going backwards as our ratings and attendances has shown this year.

Also, I am not suggesting we go to alien outposts for these new teams. One should be in Brisbane and the other Perth, which may not be a heartland region, but hardly as alien as say Melbourne. They already have significant junior inferstructures in place and I believe would in a fairly short space of time(10 years) eclipse Melbourne's contribution on most levels if not all.

To ignore expansion is totally fool hardy and playing into the Networks and AFL hands and pandering only to our NRL clubs selfish motives.


Completely disagree with your premise that throwing 200million+ over 5 years down the toilet is money well spent.

I very much doubt the AFL see it that way but if you must you can show me were AFL heavies are happy about this loss?

loosing 200million is the result of fishing were the fish are not.

The NRL will not make this same mistake.

Hows winning the hearts and minds of the West working out for the AFL?

The AFL have said countless times that this team is going worse than they could ever imagine.

Gold coast suns are going backwards every year also, these 2 clubs along with the Lions will continue to leach of the AFL while clubs in the AFL heartland continue to bleed.
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
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Because they got what they really wanted all along. How many times does it need saying?

Ok i see you come on here ranting a lot. You're always criticising the nrl for being dumb and short sighted. Amongst your biggest complaints is that not enough is being done for the international game, that the game needs to expand, and that there are too many sydney teams. If the nrl listens to you'll it grow and flourish. Yet the super league had exactly what you wanted back in 97. If you are to be believed, them super league should of been a smashing success less sydney teams, presence across the country and a vision for an expanded international game. Now one of the world's smartest, ruthless and most successful businesses had your perfect nrl in the palm of their hand, but for some reason merged back with the nrl to get back it pack of nsw clubs, and it put international football on the back burner to focus on strengthning the domestic comp.
 

TheRam

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Completely disagree with your premise that throwing 200million+ over 5 years down the toilet is money well spent.

I very much doubt the AFL see it that way but if you must you can show me were AFL heavies are happy about this loss?

loosing 200million is the result of fishing were the fish are not.

The NRL will not make this same mistake.

Hows winning the hearts and minds of the West working out for the AFL?

The AFL have said countless times that this team is going worse than they could ever imagine.

Gold coast suns are going backwards every year also, these 2 clubs along with the Lions will continue to leach of the AFL while clubs in the AFL heartland continue to bleed.


People have such short memories. The swans had over 20 years of poor gate takings, around 6k was very common. But then when they started to win on the field consistantly their figures grow accordingly to the point that they are the most successful football franchise in Sydney.

The AFL may or may not be shocked at the relative poor showing for teams like the Giants, but ultimately they are fighting in the epicentre of RL's heartland. Nothing but maintained success on the field and a few lean years by teams like Parra, Tigers and Penrith will see this change.

But it will change, just like it did for the Swans. Also the way the NRL runs the game, they will give the AFL ample oportunity, to capitalize on their self inflicted cockups.
 

ek999

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Because they got everything the wanted and had no competition from the arl comp. Obviously. They achieved their purpose. They make money off rugby league.

Of course they do. They also make money off AFL, A-League, Super Rugby and all of the other sports they broadcast. The idea of a business is to make money
 

Perth Red

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The 6th year of the AFL deal is worth about 460m for that year alone, 6th year for digital is maybe worth about 40million.

AFL 5 year deal is worth about 2billion.

NRL 1.8billion with NZ and international to go.

These deal are very comparable and i dare say if the NRL went for a 6th year with FOX/FTA/Digital than our deal would probably be identical.

To get the money the AFL did they had to commit to a extra year.

This deal is a good result for the game imo.

All in all David Smith undersold our FTA portion of the Tv deal so i think all the commissioners have a little to answer for there.

And last but not least, David Gygel is a genius.

NRL isn't $1.8billion lol, stop believing the spin. It's 625+920+150. Which in no way explains why the most popular sport on to in Australia is getting significantly less money than its rival. When you factor in SOO, popularity, what we sacrificed on Ko times, lack of expansion, reduced fta coverage and take out naming rights it simply is not a great deal. Yes it's a lot of money but in comparison to our rival it is sht.
 

Raiderdave

First Grade
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People have such short memories. The swans had over 20 years of poor gate takings, around 6k was very common. But then when they started to win on the field consistantly their figures grow accordingly to the point that they are the most successful football franchise in Sydney.

The AFL may or may not be shocked at the relative poor showing for teams like the Giants, but ultimately they are fighting in the epicentre of RL's heartland. Nothing but maintained success on the field and a few lean years by teams like Parra, Tigers and Penrith will see this change.

But it will change, just like it did for the Swans. Also the way the NRL runs the game, they will give the AFL ample oportunity, to capitalize on their self inflicted cockups.

you idiot :lol:
they're successful because the AFL rigs the salary cap to keep them successful & have done for decades

remove these advantages & they're going to be totally gone in the next 5 years
& they join the other 3 failed expansion sides on the scrap heap.
the AFLs success is a smoking mirror
again
stop sipping the koolaid son.:lol:
 
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I really hope that the money the clubs receive from the new deal doesn't all go into the players pockets.
There is a hell of a lot the clubs need to do as regards junior development.
On average clubs need to be run a lot better than they are now.
The German Soccer Bundesliga should be the role model
 
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