Next TV rights deal

[elbusto]

Such blatant panic :lol:

News throwing the toys out of the pram coupled with a dead silent NRL clearly suggests we're in a prime position to get the best outcome, be it quality coverage, coin or both.

One if the most effective ways to annoy a bully is to ignore then.

 

[insert.pause]

Foxtel claims their average revenue per user was $93 last year, which I assume would be a monthly figure, if Brad Walter is right about the 500,000 subscribers just for the NRL, that means foxtel make $558m in revenue each year on rugby league while Fox Sports is currently paying the NRL $110m a year.

 

[Nerd]

"Fox Sports and Telstra have poured billions of dollars into the sport, standing firm with continued financial support even after the publication of a report two years ago into doping and links between sporting codes and organised crime."

This from the above article has to be some of the funniest shit yet. Fox Sports have underpaid for the NRL for years but are now claiming to have poured all this money into it. :crazy:
This crap coupled with the incessant attacks from the News Corp media hacks is just plain laughable.

Feel the fear from News Corp about having to either pay up or risk losing the rights.

 

[docbrown]

Foxtel claims their average revenue per user was $93 last year, which I assume would be a monthly figure, if Brad Walter is right about the 500,000 subscribers just for the NRL, that means foxtel make $558m in revenue each year on rugby league while Fox Sports is currently paying the NRL $110m a year.

That $93 is dependent on ad-spend though. From memory that's now about 20-30% of Foxtel's revenues, maybe even higher it creeps up every year. This is the halo/loss leader effect.

So lets say for example Foxtel lost those subscribers. Suddenly you've lost 20% - 30% of your subscription base. There's now fewer viewers watching overall programming. Companies then become less inclined to pay current ad rates so there's a downward pressure on rates. At the moment Foxtel is in a spot where they had to drop package prices to keep market share so it's unlikely they'd increase them to compensate and if they did they'd risk more churn. So suddenly in either scenario that $93 starts to decrease for the remaining 70% - 80% of subscribers. So on top of your direct subscriber loss you're adding a lot more in other ad and/or other subscriber losses.

I'm sure people might have a whinge about it but that's how it works. Base goes down, rates go down, overall revenue goes down.

 

[insert.pause]

That $93 is dependent on ad-spend though. From memory that's now about 20-30% of Foxtel's revenues, maybe even higher it creeps up every year. This is the halo/loss leader effect.

So lets say for example Foxtel lost those subscribers. Suddenly you've lost 20% - 30% of your subscription base. There's now fewer viewers watching overall programming. Companies then become less inclined to pay current ad rates so there's a downward pressure on rates. At the moment Foxtel is in a spot where they had to drop package prices to keep market share so it's unlikely they'd increase them to compensate and if they did they'd risk more churn. So suddenly in either scenario that $93 starts to decrease for the remaining 70% - 80% of subscribers. So on top of your direct subscriber loss you're adding a lot more in other ad and/or other subscriber losses.

I'm sure people might have a whinge about it but that's how it works. Base goes down, rates go down, overall revenue goes down.

Yep, and suddenly their AFL coverage is no longer ad free as they desperately try to claw back sinking revenues.

 

[Raiderdave]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If Foxtel said how much if we had 5 games exclusive & simulcast all 9 then we have every right to say the same annual amount you're going to give the AFL ,which is $266 Million. So this amount times 5 years is 1.330 Billion Channel 9's amount drops to about 800 Million through compensation NZ , naming & online rights currently go for around 200 million that would have to increase to at least $275-$300 Million so that's a tidy 2.4 to 2.430 Billion the Largest Dollar per year media rights deal in Australian sports history easily out doing the AFL's. If the NRL says no to expansion & so, no 5th game but simulcasting remains on the table we should still be able to ask & get about 210 Million a year so that's a deal still North of 2 Billion when the rest is factored in ..about 2.150 Billion or 430 Million a year , some 12 Million a year more then the AFL will get. If Foxtel say nup ... not even close ... we'll give you 800 million tops they should be politely told to get a Woolley pup & the tree its chained to up em...

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

"Fox Sports and Telstra have poured billions of dollars into the sport, standing firm with continued financial support even after the publication of a report two years ago into doping and links between sporting codes and organised crime."

This from the above article has to be some of the funniest shit yet. Fox Sports have underpaid for the NRL for years but are now claiming to have poured all this money into it. :crazy:
This crap coupled with the incessant attacks from the News Corp media hacks is just plain laughable.

Feel the fear from News Corp about having to either pay up or risk losing the rights.

lol, they are acting like they have just handed the money over as charity, never mind the huge profits that they made from our game.

 

[Captain Apollo]

The following is from the Sydney Morning Herald's website -

The figures that show why Fox Sports needs to do a deal with the NRL
Date: August 21, 2015 - 5:50PM
by Brad Walter (http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/by/Brad-Walter)

Pay TV ratings figures for this year highlight the NRL's domination of Fox Sports and demonstrate why a new deal is expected to be reached before the start of the 2018 season, with 49 of the network's 100 most watched sporting events being NRL matches.

For the first time in two decades, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp don't hold any aces in negotiations and this week it is believed he paid $1.25 billion (http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...en-newscorp-seven-and-telstra-20150818-gj2648)- the company's part of the AFL's $2.5 billion broadcast deal.

During the 14 years that News Corp controlled the NRL, there was a perception the broadcast rights were undervalued because Murdoch's representatives had a seat on either side of the negotiating table and Seven boss Kerry Stokes fought a costly court case on those grounds after the collapse of his pay TV network C7.

News had intended to maintain a grasp on the broadcast rights by demanding first and last rights of refusal in negotiations until 2027 as a key condition of surrendering control of the game to the ARL Commission in 2012.

But former News boss Kim Williams agreed to forego that right in order to complete the current deal between Fox Sports and the NRL, prompting one leading official to this week say: "Even if we don't get the same money as the AFL we have finally got our game back and you can't put a price on that."

However, there is unlikely to be another Super League war, as happened the last time Murdoch missed out on a share of the rugby league broadcast rights, because Fox Sports and the NRL need each other.

Of Fox Sports' 2.8 million customers, it is estimated about 500,000 or almost 20 per cent, only subscribe because of the NRL coverage and those figures are supported by pay TV viewing numbers.

According to ratings figures up until August 19 for live sport on Fox Sports, 49 of the top 100 most watched programs were NRL matches, including 25 of the top 50.

In comparison, 35 AFL matches feature in the top 100, including just 14 in the top 50 and none in the top 10.

The number of NRL and AFL matches in the top 100 is down on previous years because of the ICC Cricket World Cup, which makes up five of the top 11 most watched programs on Fox Sports, including the top three, and the Asian Cup, which had five matches in the top 100, including three of the top 10.

The second Bledisloe Cup match between the Wallabies and All Blacks was ranked No.14 and the A-League grand final was 65th.

The most watched NRL match on Fox Sports so far this season was the April 20 Cronulla-South Sydney clash (sixth), with 335,000 viewers tuning in to watch the teams slog it out in horrendous weather conditions.

Souths' matches against North Queensland (325,000) and St George Illawarra (321,000) also feature in the top 10, with the most watched AFL match, Sydney Swans v Collingwood (317,000), being 12th.

Another 10 NRL matches are ranked between 15th and 28th. ​

Overall viewing numbers for NRL matches on Fox Sports are up 3 per cent from 22,455,571 for the corresponding period of the 2014 season to 23,199,335, with the average numbers of viewers for each game being higher than AFL.

The NRL will use the figures as ammunition to prove why the code should receive a similar pay TV deal to the one between Fox Sports and the AFL, which is.estimated to be worth (http://www.smh.com.au/business/comm...spite-pressure-on-profit-20150819-gj2o9r.html) $1.25 billion over six years.

However, Fox Sports negotiators will argue their highest rating NRL matches are usually on Saturday night, which will now be on free-to-air as part of the $925,000 deal with Channel Nine for four games per week, and Monday night, which is being axed from 2018.

According to the figures collated by Rugby League Ratings, 43 of the 49 NRL games in the Fox Sports top 100 are in those time slots, with Monday night matches averaging 253,000 viewers and Saturday night matches averaging 239,000 viewers.

The average viewing figures after last weekend for the other time slots are: Saturday 3pm - 186,000; Saturday 5.30pm - 232,000; and Sundays - 193,000.

Unless the number of teams is increased to 18 within the next two years, the Nine deal would leave Fox Sports with one less match per week than now but the NRL believes that can be offset by offering the pay TV broadcaster the rights to all eight matches - four exclusive and four simulcast with Nine.

Such a deal would be similar to the one News Corp hastily negotiated with the AFL in the past week in a move widely being viewed as a get-square with the NRL but one which may end up costing Fox Sports more because the market value for sports rights has increased.

 

[reanimate]

Thank god for Fairfax, they have their problems, but at least there's still some decent journalism to be found there.

 

[RoosTah]

Thank god for Fairfax, they have their problems, but at least there's still some decent journalism to be found there.

I reckon... such a difference in their coverage to the News Crap BS.

 

[Cletus]

Fairfax still have an agenda though, they want to make News look bad at every opportunity. Not that that's a hard thing to do.

 

[RoosTah]

Fairfax still have an agenda though, they want to make News look bad at every opportunity. Not that that's a hard thing to do.

I'm happy for them to do that to be frank lol.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

This article us a ripper

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...o-do-a-deal-with-the-nrl-20150821-gj4qlq.html

Don't let facts get in the way of a good tabloid story - funny how the telecrap does do its research as Brad Walter has......uncle rupie knows this and is scared shitless......

On top of this, the NRL used to have an even bigger share of the Top 100 list before the AFL got their prime time games similcast...

It proves the value of the Smilcast games and would push the NRL back to around the 77 out of the Top 100 it used to claim

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Oops forgot theirs has one more year. But you get my drift. Amount per year should be similar or more than the AFL received.

Its difficult to place an exact value on the F&L rights in the last deal, but it would have put the Fox element up near $1bil.

With F&L off the table now, you would have to imagine $1bil is reasonable.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Fairfax still have an agenda though, they want to make News look bad at every opportunity. Not that that's a hard thing to do.

Ive said a few times that id like the NRL to pubilcly start a shitfight with NewsLtd, to defuse any campaigns against RL as propaganda and to unite RL fans against a common enemy (RL hasnt really been an underdog story since the Commission came in).

As part of that, id love to see DSmith/someone important, give Fairfax an exclusive interview every time News starts another anit-RL campaign.

 

[strong_latte]

I agree, doctor. in fact I reckon this represents a heck of an opportunity for fairfax. It would mean going a little more tabloid but their format now makes them look that way anyway

 

[Nerd]

Rothfield and Bourbon Bec are in absolute meltdown at the moment with both suggesting that Demetriou would be a better CEO than Dave Smith. Dave Smith must have this pair of drunks on his phones do not answer block again.

 

[FlameThrower]

Well yesterday was listening to 2MMM any that Hooper clown was on, he was upfront stating he was on Fox and News Media payroll, but claimed was ver balanced and unbiased about the Media rights deal.he then went on the troth at the mouth about disrespecting Fox/NewsCorp Telstra, that potential Club land revolt by Clubs, that NRL needs PayTV just as much as PayTV needs NRL. He glossed over the % of subscribers who only have Fox because of the NRL. Ryan Girdler was in comparison, was speaking like a Rhodes scholar, he stated Smith is not a dumb man, and surely there was still more to be announced and in fact there are still 2 years to go with current deal with Fox anyway!

 

[babyg]

Well yesterday was listening to 2MMM any that Hooper clown was on, he was upfront stating he was on Fox and News Media payroll, but claimed was ver balanced and unbiased about the Media rights deal.he then went on the troth at the mouth about disrespecting Fox/NewsCorp Telstra, that potential Club land revolt by Clubs, that NRL needs PayTV just as much as PayTV needs NRL. He glossed over the % of subscribers who only have Fox because of the NRL. Ryan Girdler was in comparison, was speaking like a Rhodes scholar, he stated Smith is not a dumb man, and surely there was still more to be announced and in fact there are still 2 years to go with current deal with Fox anyway!

They all, including Gidler, still seemed a little shy in challenging him on his bs.

NRL is negotiating radio rights too. They should call for a ban on news dicks on appearing.

 

[Haffa]

Hooper is usually painful but yesterday he turned it up a notch. He really is just a tabloid journalist, he wouldn't be out of place writing for New Idea.