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Perth Red

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Precisely. The NRL consciously accepted less money than the maximum they could have got because they valued having total control of the game more as part of their long term strategy.

How do you not know this PR?

$250mill was a big price but I don't know what value impact those first and last rights costs us so it may well have been worth it. It certainly seems to have been worth it with nine given the deal he has just done for fta so hopefully it translates wth pay tv equally well.
 

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You do realise the only posts elbusto makes is whinging about other posters don't you? At least I whinge about something I care about and want to see better!
Incorrect bro. But I do have a shot at you for being a merciless and endless crass bore with a blatant agenda and I will merrily continue to do so!
 

Cartman

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If Fox don't do a deal can the NRL sell the other games to FTA?

I have wondered about this as well. I don't follow the tv rights dealings as closely as some on here but I would imagine that free to air exposure would have value on its own, even if the dollar figure was less than a pay tv deal.

Wouldn't all games live and free be a great win for fans as well as helping clubs gain sponsors? Not sure if there is something in the 9 deal that would prevent this, or what the tipping point would be regarding loss of direct tv deal money versus the value of additional free to air presence.
 

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$250mill was a big price but I don't know what value impact those first and last rights costs us so it may well have been worth it. It certainly seems to have been worth it with nine given the deal he has just done for fta so hopefully it translates wth pay tv equally well.

I'm fairly confident it will. The propagandist slime at News Corp have tried to lie to everyone about what really went down, making it seem like Smith some how screwed them, but impartial media outlets have proven this to be not only false, but the opposite of what happened.

Ultimately, this is a massive case of butt hurt on the part of News; they removed their Australian CEO as a result of the loss of the F&L rights and tried to play games to keep control of the NRL rights and pin them lower than their market value with their deal with C10.

That plan got blown out of the water by Smith, and Murdoch lost his marbles. The problem for Fox is that there's still over 2 years to run on the current deal and tech enabled disruptors are only becoming more prevalent in the market. It's the reason ESPN is now our biggest digital sports provider.

These dynamics all work in the NRL's favour, and that's why Fox is playing this game of chicken. The thing is, Smith ain't gonna blink like Gallop used to.
 

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Incorrect bro. But I do have a shot at you for being a merciless and endless crass bore with a blatant agenda and I will merrily continue to do so!

Likewise every time you add nothing but troll a thread by whinging about forum users I will point it out to the the world what a whinging troll you really are.
 
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I'm fairly confident it will. The propagandist slime at News Corp have tried to lie to everyone about what really went down, making it seem like Smith some how screwed them, but impartial media outlets have proven this to be not only false, but the opposite of what happened.

Ultimately, this is a massive case of butt hurt on the part of News; they removed their Australian CEO as a result of the loss of the F&L rights and tried to play games to keep control of the NRL rights and pin them lower than their market value with their deal with C10.

That plan got blown out of the water by Smith, and Murdoch lost his marbles. The problem for Fox is that there's still over 2 years to run on the current deal and tech enabled disruptors are only becoming more prevalent in the market. It's the reason ESPN is now our biggest digital sports provider.

These dynamics all work in the NRL's favour, and that's why Fox is playing this game of chicken. The thing is, Smith ain't gonna blink like Gallop used to.

He cannot blink when he has his eyes wide shut.
 

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I'm fairly confident it will. The propagandist slime at News Corp have tried to lie to everyone about what really went down, making it seem like Smith some how screwed them, but impartial media outlets have proven this to be not only false, but the opposite of what happened.

Ultimately, this is a massive case of butt hurt on the part of News; they removed their Australian CEO as a result of the loss of the F&L rights and tried to play games to keep control of the NRL rights and pin them lower than their market value with their deal with C10.

That plan got blown out of the water by Smith, and Murdoch lost his marbles. The problem for Fox is that there's still over 2 years to run on the current deal and tech enabled disruptors are only becoming more prevalent in the market. It's the reason ESPN is now our biggest digital sports provider.

These dynamics all work in the NRL's favour, and that's why Fox is playing this game of chicken. The thing is, Smith ain't gonna blink like Gallop used to.

They have been bagging him and calling for his sacking for three years, which just made the additional pressure they attempted to put on him after the deal was announced to be fairly mundane.
 

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He cannot blink when he has his eyes wide shut.

"Eyes wide shut" isn't actually a thing... it's an intensionally contradictory and irrational phrase that was used in the title of a weird Tom Cruise movie.

In any case, Smith's eyes are in fact wide open; he knows Newscorp's crazed anger is a reflection of how valuable the NRL is to Foxtel, and so won't be too worried. Indeed, word from people I know in the NRL is that he's not been phazed in the slightest by their hysterical, personal and pathetic stream of bile.

They have been bagging him and calling for his sacking for three years, which just made the additional pressure they attempted to put on him after the deal was announced to be fairly mundane.

Pretty much. It also makes it incredibly obvious just how conflicted the News Turds are when you see how different the coverage of the whole thing is in every other f**king news outlet that isn't connect to these c#cksuckers on Murdoch's tit.
 
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They have been bagging him and calling for his sacking for three years, which just made the additional pressure they attempted to put on him after the deal was announced to be fairly mundane.
Uncle Rupert has 2 choices.
1. He can pay us the going rate and not have to worry about the $2.5 billion fumbleball contract, or 2 if he doesn't want to pay us the going rate he will come up short with the money he wants to pay fumbelball as Rugby League subscribers drop Fox.
The balls in your court Uncle Rupert :D
 

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I'm fairly confident it will. The propagandist slime at News Corp have tried to lie to everyone about what really went down, making it seem like Smith some how screwed them, but impartial media outlets have proven this to be not only false, but the opposite of what happened.

Ultimately, this is a massive case of butt hurt on the part of News; they removed their Australian CEO as a result of the loss of the F&L rights and tried to play games to keep control of the NRL rights and pin them lower than their market value with their deal with C10.

That plan got blown out of the water by Smith, and Murdoch lost his marbles. The problem for Fox is that there's still over 2 years to run on the current deal and tech enabled disruptors are only becoming more prevalent in the market. It's the reason ESPN is now our biggest digital sports provider.

These dynamics all work in the NRL's favour, and that's why Fox is playing this game of chicken. The thing is, Smith ain't gonna blink like Gallop used to.

That's partially true, but I wouldn't call Fairfax Media impartial in this case. They enjoy sticking it to News Ltd (not that there's anything wrong with that) and their journalists have been instructed to do so, especially in the tv rights issue. Of course they'll write articles in a manner that's negative towards News Ltd.

I still think there's a good chance the new deal will be brought forward to start in 2016 as mentioned previously with Thursday night games & no Monday Night Football. It might be too soon to make it happen by next year & if that was the case, definitely 2017.
 

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That's partially true, but I wouldn't call Fairfax Media impartial in this case. They enjoy sticking it to News Ltd (not that there's anything wrong with that) and their journalists have been instructed to do so, especially in the tv rights issue. Of course they'll write articles in a manner that's negative towards News Ltd.

I still think there's a good chance the new deal will be brought forward to start in 2016 as mentioned previously with Thursday night games & no Monday Night Football. It might be too soon to make it happen by next year & if that was the case, definitely 2017.

Fairfax may like sticking it to News Corp, but they still don't actually have a stake in this and therefore on the "impartiality stakes" they're a f##kload more reliable as a source of analysis on this than the company which stands to lose a huge chunk of its PayTV market share.

That said, the best analysis on this has come from places like Crikey! and other online providers like TheBigNewsNetwork. So it's hardly just fairfax anyway
 
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"Eyes wide shut" isn't actually a thing... it's an intensionally contradictory and irrational phrase that was used in the title of a weird Tom Cruise movie.

In any case, Smith's eyes are in fact wide open;

If you wern't so busy trying to have all & sundry believe what an expert you are on this subject, you might have noticed that my humorous post was actually suggesting Gallop couldn't blink because his eyes were shut, not Smith.
 

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If you wern't so busy trying to have all & sundry believe what an expert you are on this subject, you might have noticed that my humorous post was actually suggesting Gallop couldn't blink because his eyes were shut, not Smith.

"Trying to convince all and sundry"? lol, no mate, just doing my bit to counter the News Corp filth and their propaganda that still some how manages to filter onto these boards.

As for your "humorous post," well if that's how you meant it, then fair enough. But it's worth remembering that written text doesn't show the expression on your face and also a 10 word sentence in which you use the wrong tense for the person you're apparently referring to doesn't make your point all that clear either.
 

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Give it a rest, nothing to do with a Perth team. I am resigned to the fact we aren't getting a team anytime in the next 5 years at least in all likelihood and what ever I post on a message board isnt going to make a blind bit of difference to Perth getting a team lol

Why not contribute something useful to the discussion, do you think we should be expecting the NRL to get the same or better money from Australian media for NRL as afl gets?

I think you're massively under estimating the value of those breaks in the AFL and its 3 hour run time... over the course of 200+ games that's a massive flood of advertising opportunities that the NRL just doesn't have.

The NRL definitely has better big event matches, but as a product to sell advertising space it just doesn't come near the AFL on aggregate.

I am not too worried about Smith and the NRL. There's oodles of time and it's all for Fox to lose.

Answers your question to me pretty well I think.

The opportunity for ads in their matches mean there is more opportunity for the broadcaster to recoup more dollars from sponsors, as well as promoting more of their other shows.

Whereas for Fox, they don't have ad breaks in the matches. They clearly see the value in AFL as a way of getting new subscribers in the southern states, as the number there are relatively low. So they only need content. Soon Fox will have the same amount of NRL content as they do AFL, except the matches will be 3 hours as opposed to 2, plus a 9th game. (if Fox pay up an amount that the NRL think is enough to justify expansion for a ninth game, beauty. If not, so be it. The people in those positions know more about the situation than I do to criticize it too much)

The NRL and AFL are in opposite positions for Fox. Fox need to invest in AFL as a way of getting more subscribers in the southern states. (which is much lower than in the northern states). The AFL know this and is why they've done a deal directly with News and News saying they are going to be doing a massive push of AFL in their media. I guarantee you they're not going to be saying "head to this weeks game at the MCG" or "watch it live on 7", they'll be saying "watch every game on Foxtel. Sign up now."

Fox need to invest in the NRL in order to keep their core subscribers in the northern states. We're not an investment for them, we're their main money maker. Of course they're bitter. We're essentially threatening to take a shit load of their money away if they don't pay up. They think if they talk the game down, they'll get the rights cheaper.

They see AFL as an opportunity to grow and gain new subscriptions and they see the NRL as a greedy house wife demanding more spending money.

What do I think is an acceptable deal? I don't know. Around $2 billion I guess? I like the deal done with 9 already and from where the deal looks like it might finish, it looks good to me.

I'm also not naive enough to think that past status quo has no bearing on current negotiations. Our rights haven't been sold for what they're truly worth since the early 90's I believe for one reason or another (cue photo of Gallop). So broadcast partners are going to use that as it's convenient for them to paint the game that way so that they can get a cheaper deal.
 
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The other aspect is the price of freedom. We have got our biggest FTA deal to date with more exposure than ever before, more than the AFL deal.

More exposure ensures the next rights after will be even more sought after.

The AFL got in bed with News for the new deal. Rugby League is still recovering from getting in bed with News.
 

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Despite all the rhetoric I still expect a deal to be done, if not this year, by next season's kick off, it's in nobody's interest to have it drag on too long.
 

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Despite all the rhetoric I still expect a deal to be done, if not this year, by next season's kick off, it's in nobody's interest to have it drag on too long.

I'd imagine News or Fox would wait until they get final word about the proposed buy in to Ten. I think it'll have an effect on simulcasting and how hard they go to try and get the Saturday night game back.
 

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I'd imagine News or Fox would wait until they get final word about the proposed buy in to Ten. I think it'll have an effect on simulcasting and how hard they go to try and get the Saturday night game back.

they will know by end of this month.

I fear that fox will play games with the draw for next year, they are just as ropeable with Nine as they are with the NRL and I don't think they are going to be open to much compromise during the process.
 

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What's the minimum turn around for games? I can see Fox picking Brisbane for a few Monday nights so they can get them for a Saturday night, taking away the Friday monopoly from 9
 
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