What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Next TV rights deal

Status
Not open for further replies.

andrew057

First Grade
Messages
7,485
because they signed a 5 year contract

back in 2004 7 wanted to bid but Gallop undersold them by doing what they asked him not to do http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092972743273.html

7 never got a chance to bid and i can't see how they could now unless 9 agreed to it

Im not sure how much relevance that has now.

The CM article doesnt mention anything about extending current deals/contracts.

With no F&L rights any more, Im not sure Nine would have any say on when or who the NRL negotiate the next deal with.
 

insert.pause

First Grade
Messages
6,456
Sounds like they are just opening negotiations for next deal early to keep them in the minds of networks bidding on the AFL rights, dunno if they'd need permission to do that.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
Messages
69,498
Afl does not fund GWS for more TV viewers, it funds it to grow the presence of afl in a major capital city. It is a falsehood to believe that expansion should and would only exist for the purpose of growing TV contracts. Investing to grow the game is equally, and arguably long term more, important.
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
Messages
15,444
If they are going to sign a new TV deal in the next 12 months then the only reason I could think of them doing so is to take expansion off the table...

That decision would rank with some of Gallops finest work...
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
Messages
9,124
because they signed a 5 year contract

back in 2004 7 wanted to bid but Gallop undersold them by doing what they asked him not to do http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092972743273.html

7 never got a chance to bid and i can't see how they could now unless 9 agreed to it

I think you misunderstand....

They arent suggesting cutting the current deal short, just that they are willing to sign the 2018-22 up to 2 years in advance. Obviously there are no sources quoted, so this is probably just speculation based on the fact that prelim meetings were held on the next deal, but this is a much better path than waiting until 9 months before the current deal expires like we did last time.
 
Last edited:

Hello, I'm The Doctor

First Grade
Messages
9,124
If they are going to sign a new TV deal in the next 12 months then the only reason I could think of them doing so is to take expansion off the table...

That decision would rank with some of Gallops finest work...

I read this very differently...

If they were to sign a contract 2 years in advance, it would probably be to lock up the value of an extra game before the ARLC actually announced the team (thereby putting themselves in a corner with negotiations).
 

undertaker

Coach
Messages
10,910
If expansion does not occur in 2018 and the comp still remains 16 teams, there has to be a change in the schedule. The current schedule has become stale and won't be winning the thousands of fans to the game that Dave Smith is hoping for in the years to come.

IMO,

- 26 rounds (24 matches per team) is too many
- interest in the delayed/2nd Friday night game has dropped off over time since its introduction in 2007, largely due to the increased presence of social media on the internet, making it an easy alternative for ppl just to look at the score in advance online if they are too half-arsed to sit through a substantially delayed broadcast of Hadley calling (also, no coincidence the ratings for the live QLD match have dropped off since Hadley replaced Voss in 2012....the people of Redneck QLD have voted with their tv remotes).

Overall coverage of Friday Night Football has come a VERY long way since Ch9 started televising it live in 2007. To think that as recently as 2006 it was not only televised on one hour delay, but there was a complete media blackout of all forms (since Ch9 wanted exclusive media coverage for it), meaning the only way you could find the live score was listening to the 8pm/9pm/10pm news updates on radio. That's right; that's just how much control the NRL gave Ch9 for so many years. All this while the folk across the ditch in NZ got to see it live. Reminds me of the 1hr Sunday evening match highlights at 6:30pm (which was about 40 something mins after ads), whereas people in AFL-dominated Western Austarlia got to see the whole match live (this was before SL-war, when RL coverage in Perth significantly dropped off and hence Ch9 shafted them to the graveyard shift).

- crowd averages haven't grown since they peaked in 2005
- Ch9's RL shows have also become stale
- City-Country Origin is past its use-by date and is no longer the genuine Origin-trial that it was back in the '90s.
- Big beef: ARL being able to dictate the rep schedule and only allow Australia to play one test this year, which is pathetic. If the incumbents are 'burned out' and don't want to play, fine....just select other players who do want to wear the Kangaroos jersey. It's completely unfair on International RL fans, who deserve far better and makes the Kangaroos jersey look like something that's come out of a Weet-Bix box. I could never imagine players like Meninga, Sterlo, Lewis etc. skipping tests because they 'felt like it'. If you want to try and dick fans around, and pick and choose whenever you want to wear the Australian jersey, you don't deserve to wear it in the first place.

Another issue that hasn't been talked about much is the radio rights. One of the best decisions the ARLC made was not giving the Continuous Call Team exclusive rights, which held back the promotion and growth of the game for at least a decade. I have barely turned the dial to 2GB now and Triple M have done a fantastic job since their role in RL dramatically increased since the start of the current radio rights deal in 2013. In fact, I'll be interested if other stations like 2UE also make a bid to broadcast games.
 
Last edited:

undertaker

Coach
Messages
10,910
I read this very differently...

If they were to sign a contract 2 years in advance, it would probably be to lock up the value of an extra game before the ARLC actually announced the team (thereby putting themselves in a corner with negotiations).

I believe Ch9/Fox Sports are holding off and waiting for the 'expansion' decision, as that will play a significant role in how much Ch9/Fox are prepared to offer in the new 2018 contract, most of related to the value of not only an extra (9th) game, but the timeslot it gets allocated in. They're not going to take the gamble and offer a huge amount in advance on the basis they are EXPECTING expansion to occur, only to find out after signing the deal that the ARLC won't be expanding.

IMO, all this pre-extending of contracts sucks and should not be allowed to happen. If Ch7 and 10 were allowed to bid, Ch9 are in a bit of trouble without the first-and-last rights and Gyngell et al. KNOW that, hence why they are keen to extend their existing contract before end of 2017 when it expires. State of Origin and Test matches shouldn't be bundled together with the NRL matches, and should be separately bid for.
 
Last edited:

undertaker

Coach
Messages
10,910
for others to bid 9 and Fox would have to agree to let it happen and i have nfi why they'd do that

I don't understand why Ch9/Fox have to agree to allow others to bid. Shouldn't it be an open bid? How are they allowed the power to dictate if others can bid?


because they signed a 5 year contract

back in 2004 7 wanted to bid but Gallop undersold them by doing what they asked him not to do http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092972743273.html

7 never got a chance to bid and i can't see how they could now unless 9 agreed to it

That deal still annoys me after all these years. It was bad enough that Gallop gave 2GB the exclusive radio rights without consulting the other stations (remember that interview in 2006 not long after the radio rights deal was done where Graeme Hughes embarrassed Gallop so badly, that Gallop wanted to come back on the show again to explain himself). But the tv rights deal was criminal...

We were relatively neck and neck with the AFL until that 2007-12 contract that was signed a couple of years in advance. Grossly undersold and the gap between NRL and AFL money widened significantly, and it was only towards the end of the contract in 2011/12 that most NRL clubs finally woke up to the fact they had been undersold and started bitching for immediately increases in the salary cap etc. I always think about how much further the game in this country would be now if Ch9/Fox had paid the real rate that they should have.

One of the lasting legacies of the great leader of our times....

031455-david-gallop.jpg
 
Last edited:

miguel de cervantes

First Grade
Messages
7,473
Personally I reckon the chance of Australia entering into a recession in the next two years is reasonable. Better to get a fat cheque signed as soon as possible.
 

applesauce

Bench
Messages
3,573
Personally I reckon the chance of Australia entering into a recession in the next two years is reasonable. Better to get a fat cheque signed as soon as possible.

I agree, and think the NRL should lock it up ASAP if they can open all party negotiations early.

I know sport is a seen as a cure-all for FTA/PTV but the new streaming services will pull people away from traditional TV and maybe even sport to a small degree leaving CH9/7/10 with less advertising cash then they have currently.

Considering 9 Entertainment just sold Ticketek for $640 million last week now could be a good time to strike with their increased capital.
 

TheRam

Coach
Messages
13,879
You watch, if we do an early deal with ch9 and the other networks are excluded, we will get screwed. There is no way ch9 would give the best possible offer without being pushed to the brink by the others making their bids.

History shows us that this is a win for only ch9 and we will be duded. Also, part of the deal should include at least one FTA game on Saturdays, or the AFL will be laughing at us again while stealing more Sydney/Qld viewers who have FA to watch.

What a joke.
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
Messages
15,444
I agree, and think the NRL should lock it up ASAP if they can open all party negotiations early.

I know sport is a seen as a cure-all for FTA/PTV but the new streaming services will pull people away from traditional TV and maybe even sport to a small degree leaving CH9/7/10 with less advertising cash then they have currently.

.

This issue doesn't seem to be affecting TV deals for sports overseas.

The NBA just got an increase of a 180%.
 

Starkers

Bench
Messages
3,148
If they are going to sign a new TV deal in the next 12 months then the only reason I could think of them doing so is to take expansion off the table...

That decision would rank with some of Gallops finest work...

What if it's the opposite of this? They are going early to get a gauge on how much extra they can get for a game and what the permutations will be for various franchises in Perth, Bris2, Welly, CC, CQ etc?

Then they can build the revenue streams around that?
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
Messages
15,444
You watch, if we do an early deal with ch9 and the other networks are excluded, we will get screwed. There is no way ch9 would give the best possible offer without being pushed to the brink by the others making their bids.

History shows us that this is a win for only ch9 and we will be duded. Also, part of the deal should include at least one FTA game on Saturdays, or the AFL will be laughing at us again while stealing more Sydney/Qld viewers who have FA to watch.

What a joke.

Surely they didn't go to all the trouble of getting rid of the First and Last rights at the previous deal not option explore all options this time...

I reckon there will be at least one more FTA game the next deal...
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
Messages
15,444
Afl does not fund GWS for more TV viewers, it funds it to grow the presence of afl in a major capital city. It is a falsehood to believe that expansion should and would only exist for the purpose of growing TV contracts. Investing to grow the game is equally, and arguably long term more, important.

You would be the only person here that thinks TV won't be the main point when considering expansion...

I recall the AFL trumpeting after their last deal that the Suns and Giants would be driving TV ratings in Northern markets...

This has been a spectacular failure, and I wonder what they can offer this time to get the TV contract growth...
 

insert.pause

First Grade
Messages
6,456
they have just begun talking to networks now because the AFL deal has started and they don't want them spending all their money before the NRL rights are up.

it's not a bad thing!
 

CC_Roosters

First Grade
Messages
5,221
Seems to be a few people maneuvering against expansion at the moment which has me worried. The game cannot afford to not expand at this point, otherwise lucrative new markets are going to be even further out of reach down the line and failure to expand will just see the competition continue to stagnate.

The ARLC is flush with cash and an additional game to sell will no doubt add to the value, particularly a second brisbane side which is what nine seem to want. Whether there is radical change this time as many hope Richardson will impose i am not sure yet

Things i would like to see
-Stand-alone origin in a representative break mid-season
-Increase to 18 teams but reduction to 22 playing rounds, ideally Perth and brisbane II (western corridor) this still gives an overall increase in games.
-Phased plan for additional expansion to 20 teams and implementation of conferences.
-Simultaneous broadcast of a saturday night match on FTA/Fox, achieve by adding second Saturday 7.30 game.
-Change in FTA broadcaster or at least the involvement of 7/10 in some way.
-21 rounds locked in fixed schedule, round 22 locked in by round 18
 

defunk

Juniors
Messages
295
We need a 1 game on FTA per day...I.e FRI/Sat/Sun and maybe Monday as well but at the least the 3 prior.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Top