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Gary Gutful

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My parents escaped from the communists in vietnam and this country welcomed them. its the best county in the world. its sad you dont see that.

So it is better than Vietnam, is what you are saying? Who would have thought?

Australia is a fine country, but to suggest that it doesn't have its problems or that it is better than every other country in the world is a big call.

I'll ask again. What other countries have you lived in or visited?
 

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Thank you for your second chance that is part of the thing that is great, democracy. I do not have to justify why I think it is great. You have a problem with our great country that is your problem to deal with. How misserable you must be. I love this country and did not say it does not have its problems.Your comment that you hide away on Australia day and your negativity about it say plenty about you.
But for your sake I have been to Hawaii, Thailand, Fiji, New Zealand Vanuatu and Vietnam.

Hi big fatso too.
 

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Big Fatso and Missery Guts to overweight unhappy men. I will invite you both to my family australia day bbq next year and show you a happy day.
 

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Thank you for your second chance that is part of the thing that is great, democracy. I do not have to justify why I think it is great. You have a problem with our great country that is your problem to deal with. How misserable you must be. I love this country and did not say it does not have its problems.Your comment that you hide away on Australia day and your negativity about it say plenty about you.
But for your sake I have been to Hawaii, Thailand, Fiji, New Zealand Vanuatu and Vietnam.

Hi big fatso too.

You said it was "the greatest country in the world".

I then asked whether you had lived elsewhere because that is a pretty bold statement. In my experience the sorts of people who say Australia is "the greatest country in the world" typically haven't travelled more than about 2 hrs from where they were born. People said that sort of shit a lot in the 70s and 80s.

Also, I explained that Australia is a fine country but it just may not be the best country in the world. That is a perfectly reasonable statement to make and does not mean that I am miserable. It actually means I am realistic and capable of thinking beyond some cliched black and white statements that are meaningless.

I see that you will by 40 in 5 years time (a strange way of saying you are 35). You don't seem particularly mature for someone of that age. I am smack bang in the middle of yourself and Barry in terms of age.

With all due respect, it is possible to love Australia and not love Australia Day, particularly for those of us who have seen it morph into something a little more sinister. Don't take everything so literally, the comment about "hiding from bogans" doesn't mean that I have actually spent the day in a cupboard. It was a criticism of what I see as the ugly side and the ugly people that come out to play on Australia Day. The very people that if they had their way, would never have let your parents into this country.

Not exactly the sort of attitudes you'd expect of people living in the "greatest country in the world" are they?
 
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Just out of interest Gary, out of the countries you have visited/lived what country do you think is best?
 

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I'd like a dollar for every southern Cross tat I saw yesterday.

Totally cringeworthy, National bring out your inner Bogan day is over for another year at least.
 

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You said it was "the greatest country in the world".

I then asked whether you had lived elsewhere because that is a pretty bold statement. In my experience the sorts of people who say Australia is "the greatest country in the world" typically haven't travelled more than about 2 hrs from where they were born. People said that sort of shit a lot in the 70s and 80s.

Also, I explained that Australia is a fine country but it just may not be the best country in the world. That is a perfectly reasonable statement to make and does not mean that I am miserable. It actually means I am realistic and capable of thinking beyond some cliched black and white statements that are meaningless.

I see that you will by 40 in 5 years time (a strange way of saying you are 35). You don't seem particularly mature for someone of that age. I am smack bang in the middle of yourself and Barry in terms of age.

With all due respect, it is possible to love Australia and not love Australia Day, particularly for those of us who have seen it morph into something a little more sinister. Don't take everything so literally, the comment about "hiding from bogans" doesn't mean that I have actually spent the day in a cupboard. It was a criticism of what I see as the ugly side and the ugly people that come out to play on Australia Day. The very people that if they had their way, would never have let your parents into this country.

Not exactly the sort of attitudes you'd expect of people living in the "greatest country in the world" are they?
Its the greatest county in the world to me because australia gave my family a safe and welcoming home.
To say any county is greater than another is in the eye of the beholder it cant be judged any other way. thats stupid.
No I was asked how old i am within 5 years so I said 40. you no read english very good? I could be anywhere from 35 to 45 couldnt i.
How many countires have you lived in?
And your bogans are young people blowing off steam that happens in all cultures. WOuld they have been unwelcoming of you family? you dont know that. the difference between vietnam migration and current middle eastern migration is that my people did not try to change australia or critisise australia. We did not abuse or threaten australia. very different to middle eastern migration. so those bogans as you call them feel thier way of life is threatened and are standing up for thier own culture. I have no problem with them. my parents county was taken over by people coming into it and imposing their will.
 

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Its the greatest county in the world to me because australia gave my family a safe and welcoming home.
To say any county is greater than another is in the eye of the beholder it cant be judged any other way. thats stupid.
No I was asked how old i am within 5 years so I said 40. you no read english very good? I could be anywhere from 35 to 45 couldnt i.
How many countires have you lived in?
And your bogans are young people blowing off steam that happens in all cultures. WOuld they have been unwelcoming of you family? you dont know that. the difference between vietnam migration and current middle eastern migration is that my people did not try to change australia or critisise australia. We did not abuse or threaten australia. very different to middle eastern migration. so those bogans as you call them feel thier way of life is threatened and are standing up for thier own culture. I have no problem with them. my parents county was taken over by people coming into it and imposing their will.

My apologies if I got your age wrong.

You started the whole "this is the best country in the world" discussion. To backtrack now and suggest that it is "in the eye of the beholder" is merely agreeing with what I originally suggested.

I also respectfully disagree about the racist attitudes in the 80s, particularly in relation to Asian immigration.

Let's agree to disagree on a number of fronts. We both agree that Australia is a great country, we just disagree on whether it is "the greatest in the world" (something that neither of us can accurately assess given that we haven't been to every country in the world). We also disagree on whether a little "constructive criticism" in relation to Aus is appropriate, which again is OK.

All the best champ.
 

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