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So everyone who votes no is a bigot or just me in general?
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So everyone who votes no is a bigot or just me in general?
And ok to vote yes.
No. Why would I make generalisations about "everybody"?
That's my Orthodox Christian interpretation. We have many. For example in my religion, our priests must be married or they cannot become priests. We believe you need to have some experience when giving advice to people and married people seem to have plenty. The Catholics have a different view.
So you don't think all religious people are brainwashed morons who can't think for themselves?
Because the 'followers' share the views of the 'leaders'. Just like in any political realm, if the 'leaders' don't share the views of the 'followers' they don't get to be 'leaders'.
Yes I did, here:
See above. I posted it in this thread a couple of pages back when you asked me the first time. Stop asking. If I have to tell you again you'll have three black eyes.
Is this some kind of gay slur?
Great articleGee lots of generlisations going on in this thread.
It seems that there are people posting here that don't really understand Christianity, I think that is the fault of many Christians who consistently mis-represent Jesus and the writings in the Bible that Christians follow.
As a Christian I have found this article very helpful.
Hey Christians, Watch out for the Plebiscite
Posted by Tom | Aug 10, 2017 | Christianess, Current Affairs, Politics, Social Justice | 25
The plebiscite is coming. It’s not the one we were told we’d be having (then told we were not having) but it is still a chance for us to make our opinion on whether same-sex marriage should be legalised known. Now that it has been decided that it’s happening, lobby groups and people with opinions all over the country are gearing up for a fight. For those of us who are Christians, how we engage with this is important; we can either help the cause of Jesus or hinder it. So here are four ideas for Christians about how we can do this plebiscite well.
Don’t say horrible things about other humans
No matter where you stand, there’s a very good chance that all of us are going to be tempted to say mean things about other people – whether they identify as LGBTQI, as a conservative Christian, a progressive Christian, a politician, a combination of these, or something else entirely. Facebook is already full of people debating the value, or lack thereof, of this plebiscite. All the people you interact with, and speak about, whether in broad generalisations or in very specific terms, are made in the image of God, they are loved by him, and Jesus died for them. Treat them for who they are. They are God’s and he will take your treatment of them personally.
Particularly watch how you speak about people from the LGBTQI community, especially if, like me, you’re a Christian who is not from this community yourself and therefore may not know what you’re talking about and probably cannot speak on their behalf. You may say something deeply hurtful out of ignorance more than malice, but whatever your motives or intentions, you are still responsible for your words. Be careful. How should you be careful? I’ll show you a most excellent way…
Be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry
In case you’re wondering, that’s a quote from James 1:19. What if our first response to someone who disagrees with us either online or IRL was “Tell me more”, “I don’t know enough about this, help me understand”, or “Thank you, I hadn’t thought of things that way.” Chances are whatever you want to say has already been said, so you probably don’t need to say it again, they’ve heard it before. But what if you were known as someone who listened, someone who was thoughtful, and someone who was not easily baited. That’s probably better than being known as someone who thinks they’re right, and tells everyone else why they’re right, and how everyone can be right like them.
If you’re going to vote, don’t be proud of how you are going to vote
You may be tempted to be proud of how progressive and accepting you are because you are choosing to vote for same-sex marriage. You may be tempted to be pleased with yourself for standing firm in the face of negative public opinion because you will choose to vote against same-sex marriage. But there is no place for pride in the life of a Christian. Your value is not found in your moral values or your political or social opinion. You are no better or worse a person in the eyes of God because you vote “Yes” or “No”. Boast only in Christ, approach everything else with the humility of someone who knows your righteousness is not found in your actions but in his.
If it won’t help the Gospel, stop
My biggest concern with any discussion about this plebiscite is that we get distracted by things that are less important than the gospel. Sure there are important things at stake, but if the things we yell about stop people from hearing of the love of Christ, we’ve lost the most important battle.
For some of you, this may be the most controversial thing I say all post, but unless something crazy happens, soon same-sex marriage is going to be legalised. The question is, how do you want followers of Jesus remembered when all is said and done? Do you want us to be remembered as the ones who tried to deny the legal right of marriage to a group of people who we claim to love, many of whom do not claim to be Christians and adhere to Christian beliefs and values? Do you want us to be remembered as the people who hurled abuse at each other online and said horrible things about minorities? Do you want us to be remembered as the people who fought a losing battle and in the process further eroded our reputation as people of love? Or do you want us to be remembered as the people who spoke with love, who acted with love, who listened with love, and who won and lost with love?
Same-sex marriage does not threaten the Lordship of Jesus, but how you act as a follower will reflect his Lordship to the world. We are Christ’s ambassadors, so if our words and actions could stop people from hearing the good news of what Jesus has done for them at the cross, it’s time to stop, there are more important things at stake than the legal definition of marriage.
http://blog.tomfrench.com.au/2017/08/10/hey-christians-watch-plebiscite/
Just like all Serbian men. (But not the women, amirite?)
No, I claim that they (just like their so called 'ruling elite') pick and choose from doctrine.
Stop forcing this shit down every merkin's throat FFS!
And this is another fair point. Marriage is a religious thing, and clearly no longer needs to be a legal thing. Maybe if they just abolish the state's role in marriage there will no longer need to be this public sphere assault on people's traditional beliefs.
Not all. Some are people who've just made the choice to be religious, like some people choose to support the Bulldogs. But the others are brainwashed, others are morons, and others can't think for themselves.
Again you fail to address the scenario fo where the leaders move away from the views held by the followers, or fail to recognise the follows views "shifting with the times". When was the last time church "followers" effected change in their leadership?
OK, didn't see that post. You're admitting you find the thought of men having sex with men disgusting... so I can now see the attraction to you of conservative-led hierarchical institutions (albeit led by men in frocks).
OK, doesn't seem like much of a difference though.
But marriage wasn't always a religious thing.
