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I know that all other things being equal I'd rather live in a country with our gun laws instead of America's.Exactly - best to deal with facts rather than feelings.
I know that all other things being equal I'd rather live in a country with our gun laws instead of America's.Exactly - best to deal with facts rather than feelings.
The key point is that not being allowed to have guns won't stop some merkins from acquiring guns. These are the merkins that make merkins like myself want guns.I'm sure it is. But again it comes back to the likelihood point I made earlier.
My point is that it is not rational to want a gun, particularly in the context of the safety discussion we are having. On balance, people are f**ken merkins and shouldn't be trusted.
That's not me being influenced by anything other than my own disdain for the human condition.
Since when did you become such a positive all singing, all dancing believer in the power of people to do the right thing? You don't even trust people to have rights to post sensibly on a forum. When did you start believing that they can be trusted with guns?
Well feeling safe is at least as important as being safe. If you don't have a gun you are at the mercy of anyone who does.Plenty of people might well "feel safer", the evidence seems to argue otherwise.
Well feeling safe is at least as important as being safe. If you don't have a gun you are at the mercy of anyone who does.
The key point is that not being allowed to have guns won't stop some merkins from acquiring guns. These are the merkins that make merkins like myself want guns.
Yeah but "feeling safe" in America because you've got a gun probably still doesn't equal "feeling safe" here. And you're actually less safe as well.Well feeling safe is at least as important as being safe. If you don't have a gun you are at the mercy of anyone who does.
It's not at all. Human beings make all their decisions based on feelings. You knowing the facts about gun ownership and safety make you feel safe so you trot them out. You repeat them to yourself and others. That's what makes you feel safe. But the stats won't help you when you get raped at gunpoint in the comfort of your own home. The stats become irrelevant then.Exactly - best to deal with facts rather than feelings.
That must be why you don't have a legitimate counter argument.You wot mate?
That is patently absurd.
The key point is that not being allowed to have guns won't stop some merkins from acquiring guns. These are the merkins that make merkins like myself want guns.
You seem to think that gun related death is the worst thing that can happen to a person. Or worse, that it is the most likely thing that can happen to a gun owner.I think the key point is that gun related death statistics in the US indicate to every sane human that giving every merkin guns doesn't work very well.
Well feeling safe is at least as important as being safe. If you don't have a gun you are at the mercy of anyone who does.
That must be why you don't have a legitimate counter argument.
You seem to think that gun related death is the worst thing that can happen to a person. Or worse, that it is the most likely thing that can happen to a gun owner.
I live near a police station in a place without a significant criminal underclass. There is very little violent crime here. But if I lived in a place full of gangsters or other violent crims, or in a rural area miles from the cops or even from the deterrent effect of witnesses, then damn straight I would consider myself safer with a gun. Especially when every merkin knows I probably have one.Yeah but "feeling safe" in America because you've got a gun probably still doesn't equal "feeling safe" here. And you're actually less safe as well.
Good stuffNevada is open carry, no permit required.
Because everyone having a gun doesn't mean they are in any way likely to wig out and shoot me.Not sure what good "feeling safe" does when everyone around you has a gun...unless you're John Wayne on the draw.
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Because everyone having a gun doesn't mean they are in any way likely to wig out and shoot me.
I have made my argument through several posts in this thread. If merkins didn't feel safer with guns they wouldn't have them. That's a fact.You haven't made an argument, you have stated an assertion.
My counter assertion is the assertion you made is absurd.
If you wish me to provide reasoning behind it's absurdity, I would respectfully suggest that having made the assertion in the first place, the onus would be upon you to provide some sort of argument to support the assertion you made, at which point I would be happy to add further reasoning.
I think you're comparing apples with oranges though. The question is whether you'd feel safer in those areas in Australia without a gun, or in similar areas in America with a gun. I know what I'd choose and I'm confident the stats would clearly show which was safer. Besides, needing a gun around to feel safer is itself an indication that you aren't safe.I live near a police station in a place without a significant criminal underclass. There is very little violent crime here. But if I lived in a place full of gangsters or other violent crims, or in a rural area miles from the cops or even from the deterrent effect of witnesses, then damn straight I would consider myself safer with a gun. Especially when every merkin knows I probably have one.